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Old 6th Jun 2006, 01:30
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A.L.A.E.A. elections

A.L.A.E.A. elections are just around the corner and it is vitally important for all members to vote. If you are happy with the status quo then the encumbants are seeking another term. However if you think it is time for a change in Bexley then the Members First group may be the ones to lead the association for the next 4 years.

Think carefully and discuss with your colleagues.

Get involved, encourage the debate.
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I was going to vote for a change because the people in Bexley have delivered nothing in the last four years. But when I heard the President was going to employ Mr potato head If he got re-elected I thought "why not vote them back in", I want to see how far incompetence can be taken.
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Woomera, what point was there to move this topic to the GA FORUM. Particularly whent 3/4 of the association membership service RPT jets of QF mainline, Jetstar and Vigin. Any other posts involving this group have always been posted under D&G REPORTING POINTS.
The end result of this issue could severly impact on the current SAFETY of Australian aircraft and the pilots who fly them. In the interest of open and transparent debate please return this topic to where it will be found.
The timing of this change on the day ballots are sent out is very poor and reduces opportunity for members to be informed.
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R&N is for news. The GA forum is perhaps not correctly named. Back in the easrly days, we had 4 forums: R&N, GA, Aircrew Notices, and Questions. The owners decided to consolidate to 2 forums for D&G, with the last 3 being incorporated into what it is today.

So basically this forum is for everything else but news. An election announcement is not what I would really consider "news". That's why it was moved here (not because it is considered "GA")

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Some sites people might like to visit.

Of course the Association www.alaea.asn.au

www.youralaea.com

www.voxengineer.com

Does the Members First group have a site? I haven't received their CD yet
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pack your bags boys!
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Silverado,


The CDs were not sent to the incumbents. Thats why you didn't get one.
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Just went to the ALAEA website too. It's down again.

Just wanted to ask you something Silverado. On the your alaea website it says that the geese seeking re-election are proactive. Why did they do nothing when HM Syd was closed. I mean like they didn't run a meeting for over three weeks. Is that what you call proactive?
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Has anyone seen the 'prefered' list of candidates sent out from the ALAEA office.

Whilst I support debate and consideration of ALL candidates, I don't feel OUR money should be wasted on propaganda like this. Would consider this an abuse of members funds (not that it's happened before!! ).

Any thoughts?

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I find it interesting that on the "your alaea" site (read: the encumbants) they make a few statements about "the alternative".

Asking the question "Will an alternate elected federal executive give away our association to another organisation". ??????? No detail, what's that all about?

A jibe at the "Proven track record of bad behavior and unprofessional conduct by some seeking your vote" Spare me! If it is proven, then give us the detail.

Then there comes the "un-educated reactionary industrial actions do little more than reduce the professional immage of an organisation and adversly impact membership" I can read between the lines here(forget the sensationalist scare-mongering) and this fundamental difference (if it is a difference) seems to me to be at the root of the current executives' problems.

I am not inclined either way in terms of voting for a "party" as this seems to be a partisan campaign. But this Republican style "push polling" leaves me cold, they better come up with some real substance.
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goatrider,
Sorry I'm not an incumbant, the only association I have with the alaea, is the money I keep wasting on them.
Proactive? yeah I'm a proactive margarine person myself, don't know how that helps us LAME's though.

BTW The members first team don't have a website but they do have an email address.
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Oh my god barke boy youve come out from under the rock and emerged just before an election. Surprise surprise and we all now who you are. If you think that the good members of our association will buy the rubbish stories then think again. Of course the office is supporting the prefered list they have been there for us and only just today you can read the notice sent by the President to members. He has just negotiated huge increases in our allowances for when we go oversees and that is a fact! So never you mind about your buddies and the bigger union you expect us to get taken over by it just wont hapen. The members are smarter than that.
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"Huge increases in allowances when we go overseas".

1. It's rare and inexpensive.

2. Its at the company's whim.

the vast majority get nothing. Go figure.
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Mr Qantas, thought it would not be too long before we had the pleasure of your diatribe. All I will say is that we deserve the executive we vote in, and if you are endorsing the encumbants Mr Q, then that's one more thing pushing me away from them.
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Woomera, you allowed the thread that Brake Boy started on this very topic to stay in d&g reporting points, how bout merging this one over there to that one.
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OS Allowances

Huge Allowances for o/s trips. Thats great for those in the pineapple club, but worth sweet FA to the majority of us out there.
Time for change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Grrr Here we go again...

It is always amusing to see the pat on the back one gives one's self for negotiating a deal that takes care of the minority.
Typical isn't it !
Congrats to the president!
Your next overseas posting, (similar to the one after negotiating our last great EBA) will be even better for you.
It is time to look after ALL members, the majority who work hard in hangars & tarmacs all over THIS country.
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Thats right brake boy or can we call you the snake oil salesman just get some sht stiring mates to get in there to back you up I can just imagine the phones running hot in the sess pit tonight. You see its like this. Qantas rewards those who do the hard yards for our airline the one that pays our wages and if that entitles us to some rewards then so be it. Its just the vocal minority that arent happy when they dont get there own way or miss out on trips because of there bad behaviors. Your game is up brake boy we now that the plans are to get us in with another union because you dont have the experience to run a stable, sensable union so get out now or should I say the members will get you out. Good rittens
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Silverado, thanks for the links. Although, My personal opinion is that the voxengineer IS the new team...no need for their website, they have been out there for quite some time trying to deface a very hard working union with untruths and misconstruded facts. They have fallen into the hands of a union that wants to see the ALAEA silenced because the ALAEA refuses to be associcated with the likes of the AWU. They have been setting this up for ages. They have been trying to disassemble the alaea for the duration of their term. They are being backed by a much bigger and most importantly, disassociated union and all I can say to that is ......et tu brutas??? For candidates of a union election to be getting funds from a competitive union is the utmost deception that I could ever imagine. It is so obvious after I have receieved numersous mail outs from them...as most of you have....that there is no way they could afford such a campaign without a backing of a union looking to overtake another union that has worked very hard to make sure our specialization is protected. All I can say is "How dare you!" I'm just assuming..so call me paranoid. But as far as this election goes...I'm going for the guys who are doing it under their own money..so beit that they fall short sometimes...at least they are not going to sell us short!!! Again, I say shame on SP and His "Members First" idiotic campaign. Members first, my arse....he is selling us off!
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that there is no way they could afford such a campaign without a backing of a union looking to overtake another union that has worked very hard to make sure our specialization is protected. All I can say is "How dare you!" I'm just assuming..so call me paranoid. But as far as this election goes...I'm going for the guys who are doing it under their own money..so beit that they fall short sometimes...at least they are not going to sell us short!!! Again, I say shame on SP and His "Members First" idiotic campaign. Members first, my arse....he is selling us off!

Who is trying to get their claws into our huge and powerfull association, and for what purpose?
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