3 fired at alligator in a week
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it must have been an inexperienced float pilot that it flipped it over. where did the plane flip over?
anyone care to comment about that incident? or was it all covered up as usual?
hush hush........
Slave labor ehh lead struggler!!!!
anyone care to comment about that incident? or was it all covered up as usual?
hush hush........
Slave labor ehh lead struggler!!!!
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Silly question - but if they are that bad at adding up, isn't that an issue for our esteemed regulator rather than making allegations here?
atleast you need to be able to count to get one!CMN
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Rumor has it that the floatplane driver is a low hour on floats. A victim of the wheels down on lake knx, also that he is one of the prime pupils of the "wheeland flight academy" so that should explain enough.
I wish all the best in looking for a job as I hold no grudges unlike may of the other aa drivers however it would have been easier to find work if you were not such a c*nt to new pilots.
I wish all the best in looking for a job as I hold no grudges unlike may of the other aa drivers however it would have been easier to find work if you were not such a c*nt to new pilots.
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however it would have been easier to find work if you were not such a c*nt to new pilots
Like the C208 Amphibs say:
"Gear Up for Water Landing"
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Oh, ok!
If you allowed yourself yo be exploited, you are a fool. Do not blame anyone else.
Are you sure you were NEVER exploited yourself, in various past chapters of your career?
Wheeland flight academy
that's just too funny!!520.
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Might be my second?
3 Fired? Here is what happened;
1 Got fired for forgetting baggage, not for sinking a float-plane.
2 Got asked to leave after working in the hangar for free for a few week, both had passed check rides and were doing ICUS. Office politics played a big part.
1 Got suspended for a week for not informing the CP of a potential incident straight after a flight.
1 Got banished to Airvan only flying until further notice.
- The one that got fired was one of the PW golden boys, about time they moved on.
- The two that got asked to leave were good guys, working for free, doing far more work than the golden boys. Sad story, the ops manager (BM) doesn't like female pilot, so tries his hardest to get rid of them.
- The one that got suspended was the kiwi gimp 'struggler20' mentioned, believe he was also the one that put in an harassment complaint about the ops manager. Struggler20, maybe reassess some of your ideas, the ops manager has a way of turning people against each other and twisting the truth (there are two kiwis, and a potential third kiwi at Alligator).
- The one that got banished to the Airvan: once again, Alligator showing how much they love their staff.
Good Questions;
Where is CASA in all this, why haven't they stepped in to stop all this mess?
taking-off overweight, 13 hour days, 65 hour weeks etc
Where are the worker relations watchdogs?
minimum pay, hours, harassment, discrimination etc
Might be my second?
3 Fired? Here is what happened;
1 Got fired for forgetting baggage, not for sinking a float-plane.
2 Got asked to leave after working in the hangar for free for a few week, both had passed check rides and were doing ICUS. Office politics played a big part.
1 Got suspended for a week for not informing the CP of a potential incident straight after a flight.
1 Got banished to Airvan only flying until further notice.
- The one that got fired was one of the PW golden boys, about time they moved on.
- The two that got asked to leave were good guys, working for free, doing far more work than the golden boys. Sad story, the ops manager (BM) doesn't like female pilot, so tries his hardest to get rid of them.
- The one that got suspended was the kiwi gimp 'struggler20' mentioned, believe he was also the one that put in an harassment complaint about the ops manager. Struggler20, maybe reassess some of your ideas, the ops manager has a way of turning people against each other and twisting the truth (there are two kiwis, and a potential third kiwi at Alligator).
- The one that got banished to the Airvan: once again, Alligator showing how much they love their staff.
Good Questions;
Where is CASA in all this, why haven't they stepped in to stop all this mess?
taking-off overweight, 13 hour days, 65 hour weeks etc
Where are the worker relations watchdogs?
minimum pay, hours, harassment, discrimination etc
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1 Got banished to Airvan only flying until further notice.
1 Got fired for forgetting baggage, not for sinking a float-plane
A Golden boy move on? I refer back to lead_struggler's reference to Big fish in small ponds.
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You guys are your own worst enemy
bobair, the following is not a shot at you. Just an observation about GA.
bobair wrote:
CASA are probably totally unaware of what's going on. Why? Because nobody wants to speak out and report such matters. You can rest assured that if a few written complaints were received by their "friendly" FOI something would get done. However pilots tend to bitch and moan, move on THEN slag the operator. Basically because of selfishness. The best excuse is "If I don't do it, somebody else will".
As long as pilots hold that attitude, they deserve what they get
The same place as CASA. Pilots accept crappy conditions. Nobody forces them to. Working in the hangar for free? Give me a break! You guys are your own worst enemy!
Oh, I forgot: "If I don't do it, somebody else will".
If you don't stand up and insist on fair and equitable treatment nothing will change.
Oh, I forgot: "If I don't do it, somebody else will".
It's kind of self-fulfilling isn't it?
bobair wrote:
Where is CASA in all this, why haven't they stepped in to stop all this mess?
taking-off overweight, 13 hour days, 65 hour weeks etc
taking-off overweight, 13 hour days, 65 hour weeks etc
As long as pilots hold that attitude, they deserve what they get
Where are the worker relations watchdogs?
minimum pay, hours, harassment, discrimination etc
minimum pay, hours, harassment, discrimination etc
Oh, I forgot: "If I don't do it, somebody else will".
If you don't stand up and insist on fair and equitable treatment nothing will change.
Oh, I forgot: "If I don't do it, somebody else will".
It's kind of self-fulfilling isn't it?
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Hugh Jarse,
The problem is, I can almost guarantee there are over 20 unemployed pilots in Kununurra (or close nearby), reading this thread with great interest.
Not because they may be appalled with conditions they may have to face, but because when one of these existing employees either:
a) quits, or
b) is fired
they will quite happily move on in.
...Disco
The problem is, I can almost guarantee there are over 20 unemployed pilots in Kununurra (or close nearby), reading this thread with great interest.
Not because they may be appalled with conditions they may have to face, but because when one of these existing employees either:
a) quits, or
b) is fired
they will quite happily move on in.
...Disco
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So there you go Disco Dude...My point precisely:"If I don't do it, somebody else will".
It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. The 20 or so unemployed sharks are ready to pounce. So what would happen if all the pilots (both employed and unemployed) in town decided "we're not gonna do it"? Hmmm, suddenly the operator is facing a shortage of pilots, and guess what? The work still has to be done. You guys insist on fair and equitable treatment. What can the operator do? Change his work practices.
I know the above is a very simplistic answer. But I know nothing even remotely like this will never happen as long as the selfish attitudes (I only have to do it until I get my xxxx hours, then I'm outta there) prevail.
P.S. If you refuse to work 65hr/7 days, some or all of the unemployed sharks would have jobs.
It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. The 20 or so unemployed sharks are ready to pounce. So what would happen if all the pilots (both employed and unemployed) in town decided "we're not gonna do it"? Hmmm, suddenly the operator is facing a shortage of pilots, and guess what? The work still has to be done. You guys insist on fair and equitable treatment. What can the operator do? Change his work practices.
I know the above is a very simplistic answer. But I know nothing even remotely like this will never happen as long as the selfish attitudes (I only have to do it until I get my xxxx hours, then I'm outta there) prevail.
P.S. If you refuse to work 65hr/7 days, some or all of the unemployed sharks would have jobs.
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Hugh
I think you will find that pilots dont stick together on this and hence operators can get away with murder. Pilots will stab others in the back so they can get some extra seniority. I think AA either reprimanded or fired several pilots who decided that they would not put up with the dodgy operations. I can say that this is a tradition in aa (like many more ga operators) and no necessarily reflection of the aa owner or cp but the more dealing of a ops manager and his golden henchman.
99% of pilots do the right thing it’s a small percentage that we need to work on. I can remember the golden boys numerous comments to new pilots such as
* You can take off overweight because you will burn the extra fuel in the air, (geez I was never concerned at being LW limited)
* Just use standard weights or there is no need to weight them just guess or even better use "MAX"
* Don’t count your weight
* Just punch through its clear on the other side.
My comments on the kiwi gimp were based on his the flirting with the devil to try and get some twin time and until I see otherwise they stay. :P
I think you will find that pilots dont stick together on this and hence operators can get away with murder. Pilots will stab others in the back so they can get some extra seniority. I think AA either reprimanded or fired several pilots who decided that they would not put up with the dodgy operations. I can say that this is a tradition in aa (like many more ga operators) and no necessarily reflection of the aa owner or cp but the more dealing of a ops manager and his golden henchman.
99% of pilots do the right thing it’s a small percentage that we need to work on. I can remember the golden boys numerous comments to new pilots such as
* You can take off overweight because you will burn the extra fuel in the air, (geez I was never concerned at being LW limited)
* Just use standard weights or there is no need to weight them just guess or even better use "MAX"
* Don’t count your weight
* Just punch through its clear on the other side.
My comments on the kiwi gimp were based on his the flirting with the devil to try and get some twin time and until I see otherwise they stay. :P
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I worked for CM, he paid me correectly ( the Award ), and rightfully jumped up and down on my head when i made a mistake, how is this different to any boss anywhere ?.
Also had seen many Pilots sacked, it was never for one thing, it was a string of events, fortunately i never made the same mistake twice.
One thing I can tell you for certain, CM will not be held to ransom by Staff ( especially Pilots ), and why should he ?, from my experiences with him, he is a reasonable bloke and Alligator was my first job.
To those that live by the creedo of "If I don't do it, somebody else will", you have a real shock ahead of you when you enter a Piloting work place with experienced Pilots, they will grind you into the ground. Do not undercut / back stab each other, it's too small an industry.
Also had seen many Pilots sacked, it was never for one thing, it was a string of events, fortunately i never made the same mistake twice.
One thing I can tell you for certain, CM will not be held to ransom by Staff ( especially Pilots ), and why should he ?, from my experiences with him, he is a reasonable bloke and Alligator was my first job.
To those that live by the creedo of "If I don't do it, somebody else will", you have a real shock ahead of you when you enter a Piloting work place with experienced Pilots, they will grind you into the ground. Do not undercut / back stab each other, it's too small an industry.
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Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower i think you will find thing have changed since you were there.
I can say that cm never told me to fly overweight and always told me to go home after lunch if i was on a earily. He was a hard but fair boss. However now that a certain ops manager is running day to day operations CM is out of the loop to what is happening. hence all the complaints
i just wanted to make that clear to all.
I can say that cm never told me to fly overweight and always told me to go home after lunch if i was on a earily. He was a hard but fair boss. However now that a certain ops manager is running day to day operations CM is out of the loop to what is happening. hence all the complaints
i just wanted to make that clear to all.
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Struggler20 agreed.
CM is a hard but fair boss who gave everyone a fair go. But with management below him (previously PW + Ops manager) running their own little show, he was blind to see what was going on.
Now its simply a matter of the ops manager pulling the wool over both CM and the CP's eyes to run his own personal agendas.
But look here and we can see this is not new at all.
TC
CM is a hard but fair boss who gave everyone a fair go. But with management below him (previously PW + Ops manager) running their own little show, he was blind to see what was going on.
Now its simply a matter of the ops manager pulling the wool over both CM and the CP's eyes to run his own personal agendas.
But look here and we can see this is not new at all.
TC
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I would also like to point out that I most certainly do not and never worked to the
rationale.
I did my job the best I could, to the standards I was trained to and never lowered them. I would like to say I was at most times treated very fairly during my time at a/a. CM is a very reasonable man.
I simply pointed out there are plenty of sharks who will move on in if a bunch decide to leave citing unfair/unreasonable conditions (regardless to who's actions this is due to).
Is this new or unique? No I dont think so. It would be lovely if current employees refused to work for an operator and unemployed ones refused to move in to work under those same degraded conditions. A little reading on this website and elsewhere shows clearly this is not restricted to GA/single engine piston operations (a la Jet* etc etc).... you get my drift.
Im not saying its right and I know you Hugh Jarse, LRT arent either.
...Disco
If I don't do it, somebody else will
I did my job the best I could, to the standards I was trained to and never lowered them. I would like to say I was at most times treated very fairly during my time at a/a. CM is a very reasonable man.
I simply pointed out there are plenty of sharks who will move on in if a bunch decide to leave citing unfair/unreasonable conditions (regardless to who's actions this is due to).
Is this new or unique? No I dont think so. It would be lovely if current employees refused to work for an operator and unemployed ones refused to move in to work under those same degraded conditions. A little reading on this website and elsewhere shows clearly this is not restricted to GA/single engine piston operations (a la Jet* etc etc).... you get my drift.
Im not saying its right and I know you Hugh Jarse, LRT arent either.
...Disco
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DEAR MONT, WELCOME TO THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY. THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW CHANGES, I'LL LIST A FEW HERE
BLESS
- SOME PILOTS ARE FEMALES AND ITS OK TO TREAT THEM FAIRLY AND EQUALLY AND NOT REFER TO THEM AS BUCKETS OF SALTY WATER ETC. MAYBE IF YOU TRY ONE YOU MIGHT LIKE THEM BETTER!!
- HARRASSMENT OF PILOTS WHO ARE IN A LESS FORTUNATE POSITION THAN YOU IS NOT THAT COOL. HAVING A TOUCH UP OF YOUNG PILOTS IN THE COCKPIT IS REALLY NOT COOL AND IN THE 21ST THAT SORT OF STUFF BETWEEN 2 CONSENTING ADULTS IS ACCEPTABLE PRATICE ON THE GROUND AND I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASISE THE WORD CONSENT
- SLINGAIR PEOPLE ARE OK AND YOU CAN BE NICE TO THEM, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE MISSED OUT WITH THEM ON 2 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, LONG TERM RESENTMENT IS NOT GOOD FOR SUNNY DISPOSITION AND MAY LEAD YOU TO HEAR VOICES AND FEEL THE NEED TO OVERCOMPENSATE AND BE OVER AUTHORITIVE.
- ITS OK TO MOVE ON, WE ALL ENJOYED OUR TIME AT ALLIGATOR. THE FLYING WAS GREAT, THE STAFF ARE GREAT, THE WORK ENVIRONMENT EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES CHALLENGING WAS QUITE SATASFYING. IT MIGHT BE TIME NOW TO MOVE FURTHER A FIELD. IM SURE YOU HAVE MADE MANY CONTACTS FROM ALLIGATOR AND SLINGAIR IN YOUR TIME IN KNX THAT WOULD GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HELP YOU OUT TO GET THAT NEXT JOB AND RECOMMEND YOU FOR NOT ONLY YOUR FLYING ABILITY BUT YOUR AFFABLE PERSONALITY AND YOUR ABILITY TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM OFFICE POLITICS
BLESS
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