caravan crash at caloundra
The question should be why was the whole thing left to get so out of control. If the glide was so out of parameters why wasn't it discontinued?? You should know by turning final whether or not you will make it. Feathering the prop and low idle for glide approaches is plain stupid, as our friends have discovered.
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it is not really the fact that they missed the runway, (after all that is what training is all about), it is about the fact that the Instructer set up a situation, without having an escape route, ala having power available to go around.
Essentially, I would have to guess that the Instructor didn't know his aircraft well enough, and didn't think ahead to see a fast evolving problem.
And whilst I feel sorry for the Instructor, all I can say is, when in a position of responsibility, you have no choice but to be responsible for what occurs.
(If there were other factors such as an engine failure etc, I reserve the right to change my opinion...
it is not really the fact that they missed the runway, (after all that is what training is all about), it is about the fact that the Instructer set up a situation, without having an escape route, ala having power available to go around.
Essentially, I would have to guess that the Instructor didn't know his aircraft well enough, and didn't think ahead to see a fast evolving problem.
And whilst I feel sorry for the Instructor, all I can say is, when in a position of responsibility, you have no choice but to be responsible for what occurs.
(If there were other factors such as an engine failure etc, I reserve the right to change my opinion...
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I missed it on the news.
Is the caravan still at the airport and what damage was done to it??
Heard the 2 pilots are fine.
Costly exercise.
Is the plane written off or will it require engine rebuild etc??
anyone know
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Is the caravan still at the airport and what damage was done to it??
Heard the 2 pilots are fine.
Costly exercise.
Is the plane written off or will it require engine rebuild etc??
anyone know
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First of all the old van glides like you would not belive with the prop feathered. I had a real failure in one. First I thought I was low then looked like I was going to overfly the selected field. I had to use some extreme sideslip and land a bit flat just to get it down and braking.
ABout the low/high idle. The low idle is there purely for taxi, at high idle you would use brakes all the time. Our boss made us inc the power slowly for takeoff and once past 65% ng we put it to high idle, he didnt like the ITT spike of going from low to hi. Once past this point you can move it to low idle in flight and nothing happens. All the idle setting does is just that, sets the idle datum. I dont belive that you need it at high idle to get max reverse as someone said. But its good to have it at high idle so it does not take so long to spool up. You get much quicker response from 65% up. Also note that the gingerbeers make these settings, they could be anything i remember one that was 58% and 71%.
ABout the low/high idle. The low idle is there purely for taxi, at high idle you would use brakes all the time. Our boss made us inc the power slowly for takeoff and once past 65% ng we put it to high idle, he didnt like the ITT spike of going from low to hi. Once past this point you can move it to low idle in flight and nothing happens. All the idle setting does is just that, sets the idle datum. I dont belive that you need it at high idle to get max reverse as someone said. But its good to have it at high idle so it does not take so long to spool up. You get much quicker response from 65% up. Also note that the gingerbeers make these settings, they could be anything i remember one that was 58% and 71%.
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Surely RL will put this down to bad luck and any negative words as tall poppy syndrome, this accident surely beats the law of averages.
This is still and employer that pays less than a reasonable person would expect, as has been the subject on other threads.
You get what you pay for.
CASA would be wise to ask some serious questions about the internal runnings of this company, does staff morale affect flight safety, i am sure it does.
This is still and employer that pays less than a reasonable person would expect, as has been the subject on other threads.
You get what you pay for.
CASA would be wise to ask some serious questions about the internal runnings of this company, does staff morale affect flight safety, i am sure it does.
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Ho Hum............. yawn!
I don't know the pilots or operator involved in this but it sure sounds to me like there are some personal issues coming out here. Typical "stick the boot in" attitudes that prevail among the smaller minds in this industry. The facts are that some poor bugger either made a mistake or was let down by a mechanical failure, a plane got damaged, it could happen to anyone, qantas drove a multi crewed high tech jumbo off the end of a strip not so long ago too so who cares about a dented up caravan sitting in the bush somewhere???
CASA probably won't give a rat's coit about it anyway and life will go on as always. Get over it.
CASA probably won't give a rat's coit about it anyway and life will go on as always. Get over it.
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I Just Can't Hold Back Any Longer
I've bitten my tongue long enough.
This thread has taken the typical line for an incident/accident thread. First there is the guessing and surmising as to what happened. Within ten post the master of disaster comes out and tells us all how it should be according to him, then there is the inevitable discussion between the professionals as to what the pilot/s should have done and how they would have done it better, then the slugs crawl out from under their rocks, usually with a new user name and start throwing mud, at someone/anyone/everyone, in the forlorn hope that it will stick.
And thru all this, is there anyone out there that can tell us all what really happened???? I doubt it.........
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This thread has taken the typical line for an incident/accident thread. First there is the guessing and surmising as to what happened. Within ten post the master of disaster comes out and tells us all how it should be according to him, then there is the inevitable discussion between the professionals as to what the pilot/s should have done and how they would have done it better, then the slugs crawl out from under their rocks, usually with a new user name and start throwing mud, at someone/anyone/everyone, in the forlorn hope that it will stick.
And thru all this, is there anyone out there that can tell us all what really happened???? I doubt it.........
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Distracted pilot overshoots runway
Courier Mail
Richard Finnila
26jan06
A PLANE overshot a runway on the Sunshine Coast yesterday, crashing through a fence and causing more than $200,000 worth of damage.
Police said the pilot had been distracted by another aircraft while landing the brand new $2 million Cessna Grand Caravan aircraft at the Caloundra Aerodrome.
Senior-Sergeant Ken Otte said the Caloundra-based pilot had been undertaking a test flight before he was due to fly the plane to its new owners, LIP-Air, in Cairns that afternoon.
"He was distracted by another aircraft in the corner of his eye when landing and overshot the runway by about 250m," Sen-Sgt Otte said.
"When he did land he said the propellers were feathered and he couldn't power up the engines in time to take off again." Sen-Sgt Otte said he understood the aircraft that captured the pilot's attention was parked at the terminal.
Only the pilot and co-pilot were on board at the time and both were uninjured.
Sen-Sgt Otte said the pilot had only picked the aircraft up from Sydney on Tuesday and was hired to deliver it to the new owners.
He said the aircraft's propeller had sustained about $40,000 worth of damage, with the full bill expected to be more than $200,000.
"There's also a lot of damage to the plane's undercarriage and turbines," Sen-Sgt Otte said.
The Cessna will remain in a hangar at Caloundra Aerodrome, where the incident will be investigated by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
LIP-Air was unavailable for comment yesterday.
Courier Mail
Richard Finnila
26jan06
A PLANE overshot a runway on the Sunshine Coast yesterday, crashing through a fence and causing more than $200,000 worth of damage.
Police said the pilot had been distracted by another aircraft while landing the brand new $2 million Cessna Grand Caravan aircraft at the Caloundra Aerodrome.
Senior-Sergeant Ken Otte said the Caloundra-based pilot had been undertaking a test flight before he was due to fly the plane to its new owners, LIP-Air, in Cairns that afternoon.
"He was distracted by another aircraft in the corner of his eye when landing and overshot the runway by about 250m," Sen-Sgt Otte said.
"When he did land he said the propellers were feathered and he couldn't power up the engines in time to take off again." Sen-Sgt Otte said he understood the aircraft that captured the pilot's attention was parked at the terminal.
Only the pilot and co-pilot were on board at the time and both were uninjured.
Sen-Sgt Otte said the pilot had only picked the aircraft up from Sydney on Tuesday and was hired to deliver it to the new owners.
He said the aircraft's propeller had sustained about $40,000 worth of damage, with the full bill expected to be more than $200,000.
"There's also a lot of damage to the plane's undercarriage and turbines," Sen-Sgt Otte said.
The Cessna will remain in a hangar at Caloundra Aerodrome, where the incident will be investigated by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
LIP-Air was unavailable for comment yesterday.
