CASA Charges! Is this the end of GA as we have known it?
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CASA Charges! Is this the end of GA as we have known it?
Certainly looks that way to me.
All railroaded in with little or no consultation and certainly no response to those that I know made a submission.
Don't know what AOPA or the other alphabet groups did - secret perhaps? But does not seem to have done much good.
I wonder if the effect of these charges have been subject to any sort of risk/safety analysis? Surely there is a risk of many tasks just going underground? What will that do to safety??
As has been said before… it is really CARA – more interested in Regulation than Safety!
The sooner GA regulation is removed from CASA the better.
~$300 (gross) for a medical.... give me a break!!
http://www.casa.gov.au/media/2005/05-12-16.htm
All railroaded in with little or no consultation and certainly no response to those that I know made a submission.
Don't know what AOPA or the other alphabet groups did - secret perhaps? But does not seem to have done much good.
I wonder if the effect of these charges have been subject to any sort of risk/safety analysis? Surely there is a risk of many tasks just going underground? What will that do to safety??
As has been said before… it is really CARA – more interested in Regulation than Safety!
The sooner GA regulation is removed from CASA the better.
~$300 (gross) for a medical.... give me a break!!
http://www.casa.gov.au/media/2005/05-12-16.htm
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It is disgraceful! But a long time coming!
Why can the government send billions of dollars overseas and not look after it's people at home?
Funding GA is such a small amount of $$ compared with how much gets spent on useless problems overseas.
Why can the government send billions of dollars overseas and not look after it's people at home?
Funding GA is such a small amount of $$ compared with how much gets spent on useless problems overseas.
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Only a tax deduction if you earn your living from being so qualified.
That choice is not available to pilots flying in non commercial operations. ie: PVT.
That choice is not available to pilots flying in non commercial operations. ie: PVT.
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... now spare a thought for those souls who might want to pick up a LAME ticket .. and the numbers will likely decrease to near nil .... I wouldn't worry about the odd medical cost.
Think about having in-house sign off approvals for your aircraft without the present external vetting .. it might not be a perfect system but it does represent some advantages.
Think about having in-house sign off approvals for your aircraft without the present external vetting .. it might not be a perfect system but it does represent some advantages.
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The best thing we can do to stop this nonsense is not just to blow of steam on PPrune but to Harrass our local members and more importantly harrass Waren Truss about the impact it is going to have on the industry. ANd when I say harrass I mean harreass him. Just complianing on this web site won't fix it let the government know of the impact it is going to have on us.
If we band together as a whole we could be quite a large loby group. The reason aviation has been struggling because we haven't grouped together as a whole and we have just been standing alone agianst a deaf govenment. With a large vocal loby group we can make them listen to us.
let them know that if we don't like what they are doing we can vote them out of office!!!!
If we band together as a whole we could be quite a large loby group. The reason aviation has been struggling because we haven't grouped together as a whole and we have just been standing alone agianst a deaf govenment. With a large vocal loby group we can make them listen to us.
let them know that if we don't like what they are doing we can vote them out of office!!!!
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I favour the RAA approach to medicals (show your driver's licence!)- and why not for single engine up to (say) 1500kg? I think something similar happens now in UK for their NPPL. We need that here.
As for $135 for processing a medical, I would be very surprised if they could do it for so little! They have so many stuff-ups and stupid restrictions, mostly aimed at covering THEIR butts!
The joke goes on... and the pilots keep dissappearing.
As for $135 for processing a medical, I would be very surprised if they could do it for so little! They have so many stuff-ups and stupid restrictions, mostly aimed at covering THEIR butts!
The joke goes on... and the pilots keep dissappearing.
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Triadics' post has the main link
http://www.casa.gov.au/media/2005/05-12-16.htm
then
http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/fees/index.htm
and the actual fees are shown at http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/fees/fees.htm
This thread http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=194738 had the prelude.
Can CASA just bring in these fees on 2 weeks notice ?
Triadics' post has the main link
http://www.casa.gov.au/media/2005/05-12-16.htm
then
http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/fees/index.htm
and the actual fees are shown at http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/fees/fees.htm
This thread http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=194738 had the prelude.
Can CASA just bring in these fees on 2 weeks notice ?
This fee is outrageous, another example of the ill informed over paid under worked CASA types, very soon they will price them selves out of a job when the economy turns. GA is dead and the Australian Govt has no concern with this, but one day to late the penny will drop.
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Perhaps people should email their opinions to Casa feedback, I am. Maybe if we all put our opinions to them instead of whinging here, we might get some changes... prob not but worth a try, so email to [email protected]
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having just renewed my medical the other day i too was advised by my friendly DAME that casa would after jan the 1st charge a 130 dollar processing fee on the medicals. What a Joke 130 dollars for your medical to sit in a print que and most likely take weeks on end to finaly arrive.
Furthermore as i was answering the questions with the doctor we got half way through the online system for the medicals and the Casa program decided to hang and we had to start all over
! my Dame has told casa of the problem many times and it is a program error that they havent got around to fixing!!
Having also applied for the new asic and sent it off weeks ago i rang casa to enquire on how much longer it had been as they have kindly debited my account mid november, the reply was security checks are taking about 8 weeks and we took the money already to speed the process up! hardly believable! , i doubt i will get my asic in the next few months, as my brother having past his ppl test about 4-5 months ago has still not received his licence! The medical examiner i see has been waiting since feb to get his photo ID and everytime he calls casa someone is supposed to call him back. To no avail!
To me it seems we are paying more and the service and pace of responce is decreasing!
Furthermore as i was answering the questions with the doctor we got half way through the online system for the medicals and the Casa program decided to hang and we had to start all over
! my Dame has told casa of the problem many times and it is a program error that they havent got around to fixing!!
Having also applied for the new asic and sent it off weeks ago i rang casa to enquire on how much longer it had been as they have kindly debited my account mid november, the reply was security checks are taking about 8 weeks and we took the money already to speed the process up! hardly believable! , i doubt i will get my asic in the next few months, as my brother having past his ppl test about 4-5 months ago has still not received his licence! The medical examiner i see has been waiting since feb to get his photo ID and everytime he calls casa someone is supposed to call him back. To no avail!
To me it seems we are paying more and the service and pace of responce is decreasing!
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i feel everyones pain....
anything involved in Australian aviation is so transient at the moment - with rules, prices - and the likes.... all changing...
Hell, we have to pretty much hold the P.T.T switch down during a whole circuit nowadays!
I appreciate everyones concerns here, but you all must realize one simple fact...
The bods at CASA are not concerned with the practical side of aviation... OR pricing for that matter. They are paid to push pencils and cover their own asses, and make their money.
Have you heard this rumour: 'In a few years, theirs going to be a shortage of pilots'! ? Yeh, alot of the low houred guys think 'SH!T YEH'.... but think about it. This is because no poor b@stard is going to be able to afford learning to fly anymore!
This saddens me the most.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Where is the industry headed?
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anything involved in Australian aviation is so transient at the moment - with rules, prices - and the likes.... all changing...
Hell, we have to pretty much hold the P.T.T switch down during a whole circuit nowadays!
I appreciate everyones concerns here, but you all must realize one simple fact...
The bods at CASA are not concerned with the practical side of aviation... OR pricing for that matter. They are paid to push pencils and cover their own asses, and make their money.
Have you heard this rumour: 'In a few years, theirs going to be a shortage of pilots'! ? Yeh, alot of the low houred guys think 'SH!T YEH'.... but think about it. This is because no poor b@stard is going to be able to afford learning to fly anymore!
Somehow I think there will be a lot more good people leaving the industry
GA is dead and the Australian Govt has no concern with this, but one day too late the penny will drop
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Screwed up priorities. Memo to business leaders: do not place would-be accountants in charge of making these types of decisions. A good example of a little department making decisions independently of the organisation. Where's the leadership here CASA?
CASA charges a small fortune to process medicals with the result that less people renew their medicals, hence the price has to increase again to cover costs and less people renew their medicals and the price rises again to cover the costs and...
This is a great example of someone in CASA isolated or ignorant of advice of knowledgeable people, who made a decision with not the faintest clue on how these actions impact the industry. The Peter Principle reigns supreme in this case. Geez, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!
CASA charges a small fortune to process medicals with the result that less people renew their medicals, hence the price has to increase again to cover costs and less people renew their medicals and the price rises again to cover the costs and...
This is a great example of someone in CASA isolated or ignorant of advice of knowledgeable people, who made a decision with not the faintest clue on how these actions impact the industry. The Peter Principle reigns supreme in this case. Geez, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!
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The budget surplus is not the issue., user pays everything is the deity that the government worships and CASA don't have a lot of other revenue streams.
Insert hollow laugh here.
2008 is at least 2 budgets away and I'm certain that that 'reduction' will vanish like the morning mist.
The implication here is that fees will rise by around 50% pa.
(and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they change their phone number to a 1900 premium-fee one)
There will be a phased reduction in aviation fuel excise from 2008, with the rate to be cut by eight per cent.
2008 is at least 2 budgets away and I'm certain that that 'reduction' will vanish like the morning mist.
Fees charged by CASA for regulatory services will increase from $5 million a year to $20 million a year by 2008-09.
(and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they change their phone number to a 1900 premium-fee one)