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Great footage of the approach, check out this link!
http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...ninenews&t=s29
http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...ninenews&t=s29
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Anybody having trouble with the ninemsn video download as I get the click the links below and follow the on-screen instructions.
Once the installations are complete, reload this page. except I get no instructions.
SMOC
Once the installations are complete, reload this page. except I get no instructions.
SMOC
Another thread is suggesting the crew requested RW27 (Shorter plus 30kt crosswind) because it has an ILS, rather than RW34 and a visual approach.
Can anyone confirm?
If so a clear case where erosion of basic skills has led to bent metal....
Can anyone confirm?
If so a clear case where erosion of basic skills has led to bent metal....
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>Anybody having trouble with the ninemsn video download as I get the click the links below and follow the on-screen instructions.
Once the installations are complete, reload this page. except I get no instructions.
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I normally use Mozilla, which gives the symptoms you describe. Switching to Internet Explorer - everything works just fine!
Go figure . . .
Once the installations are complete, reload this page. except I get no instructions.
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I normally use Mozilla, which gives the symptoms you describe. Switching to Internet Explorer - everything works just fine!
Go figure . . .
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YMML 260300Z 27021KT 9999 FEW035 BKN040 BKN065 18/07 Q1001 FM0300 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
YMML 260200Z 26023KT 9999 BKN040 SCT065 18/09 Q1000 FM0200 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
YMML 260100Z 34014KT 9999 BKN046 20/08 Q0999 FM0130 29026G38KT 9999 -SHRA SCT035 SCT060 INTER 0200/0400 4000 SHRA BKN020 FM0100 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
Nothing wrong with choosing rwy 27 from this figures (?)
OTOH it could be a rwy 16 landing with strong 260ish crosswind
YMML 260200Z 26023KT 9999 BKN040 SCT065 18/09 Q1000 FM0200 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
YMML 260100Z 34014KT 9999 BKN046 20/08 Q0999 FM0130 29026G38KT 9999 -SHRA SCT035 SCT060 INTER 0200/0400 4000 SHRA BKN020 FM0100 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
Nothing wrong with choosing rwy 27 from this figures (?)
OTOH it could be a rwy 16 landing with strong 260ish crosswind
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All makes sense now.
Must have been a Rwy 16 Landing.
Evidence:
Rwy 16 has HIAL, Rwy 34 only has RIL.
Sunbury Road in foreground.
Slope of terrain. Rwy 34 u/shoot has a good view of the rwy.
Is that the top of tower on the RHS of the video?
Probably more give aways if you look hard enough.
Must have been a Rwy 16 Landing.
Evidence:
Rwy 16 has HIAL, Rwy 34 only has RIL.
Sunbury Road in foreground.
Slope of terrain. Rwy 34 u/shoot has a good view of the rwy.
Is that the top of tower on the RHS of the video?
Probably more give aways if you look hard enough.
Bloke (747 pilot with 18 years expereince) just came up on 774 (abc Melbourne) explaining that he thought "erosion of basic piloting skills" was the cause, not enough hand flying, too much automatics!
Bloody long touch down if it took gouges out of the runway at the intersection of 16/34 and 09/27!!!
No mate, The video clearly shows they landed on Rwy 16. So not necessarily a long touch down at all. there was a turbulent 50 Kt Northerly Straight down runway 34 about 3 hours earlier, which had swung to the west by to time this occurred.
No mate, The video clearly shows they landed on Rwy 16. So not necessarily a long touch down at all. there was a turbulent 50 Kt Northerly Straight down runway 34 about 3 hours earlier, which had swung to the west by to time this occurred.
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Sunfish, you 747 driver has it in an unfortunate nutshell.
Basic flying skills/management are on the decline, following the line drawn on the Nav/GPS screen is all the go even in early solo PPL navs. One of my family regularly checked the bag of her PPL students on solo and found not 1 BUT 2 hand held GPS on one day same student.
I know the modern trend is for some very fancy gear in all classes of aircraft and NDBs are on the way out but talking to Check/trainers in several local Companies, basic "dont turn inside the needles", "allow for wind outbound", "intercept angles and end of holding patterns geometry" are BIG ?????? to far too many people.
As for actually doing a Xwind landing, ???? aileron, ???co-ordinated rudder, ??? aligned with the runway on touchdown.
To be "fair" our Thai crew who fly all over the world spend 95% of the time on Auto, radar vectors and in the tropics generally little xwind got sprung in a big way with good old mother nature having a blow.
How many of all of us are prepared to GO AROUND even after touch if it all looks pear shaped, provided reverse is not selected of course? How many will TELL ATC which runway is REQUIRED? How many of us have that extra fuel for such little niceties as a few minutes "thinking time" to get the safest and best result, not one forced on us by Ops, schedule, ATC and turn around times.
The main bit of all this is the Aircraft survived essentially intact, probably needs a HEAVY inspection, repairs etc, but the pax and crew caught the bus to the terminal, some a few minutes of fame on TV, and the rest of us can pontificate on someone else having a bad day, not us, which is the best way to learn, nes pa??
Basic flying skills/management are on the decline, following the line drawn on the Nav/GPS screen is all the go even in early solo PPL navs. One of my family regularly checked the bag of her PPL students on solo and found not 1 BUT 2 hand held GPS on one day same student.
I know the modern trend is for some very fancy gear in all classes of aircraft and NDBs are on the way out but talking to Check/trainers in several local Companies, basic "dont turn inside the needles", "allow for wind outbound", "intercept angles and end of holding patterns geometry" are BIG ?????? to far too many people.
As for actually doing a Xwind landing, ???? aileron, ???co-ordinated rudder, ??? aligned with the runway on touchdown.
To be "fair" our Thai crew who fly all over the world spend 95% of the time on Auto, radar vectors and in the tropics generally little xwind got sprung in a big way with good old mother nature having a blow.
How many of all of us are prepared to GO AROUND even after touch if it all looks pear shaped, provided reverse is not selected of course? How many will TELL ATC which runway is REQUIRED? How many of us have that extra fuel for such little niceties as a few minutes "thinking time" to get the safest and best result, not one forced on us by Ops, schedule, ATC and turn around times.
The main bit of all this is the Aircraft survived essentially intact, probably needs a HEAVY inspection, repairs etc, but the pax and crew caught the bus to the terminal, some a few minutes of fame on TV, and the rest of us can pontificate on someone else having a bad day, not us, which is the best way to learn, nes pa??
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Captain Phuket Readalottaporn was quoted as saying
"There was lot of wind, so push throttle plenty to make plane go fast,
see. Because otherwise go backward. But then, see, halfway down runway
I see big fockin hole, bigger than Thai girl at pattya, you know what I
mean? So try to miss, but no luck. Plane come down, bang, tyres they
go, bang, bang, bang. Now I know why they call copilot number two. He
doing, number one, number two, everything. Very smelly. So we stop. We think plane broken so go to local bar while they fix."
"There was lot of wind, so push throttle plenty to make plane go fast,
see. Because otherwise go backward. But then, see, halfway down runway
I see big fockin hole, bigger than Thai girl at pattya, you know what I
mean? So try to miss, but no luck. Plane come down, bang, tyres they
go, bang, bang, bang. Now I know why they call copilot number two. He
doing, number one, number two, everything. Very smelly. So we stop. We think plane broken so go to local bar while they fix."
I think the canucks on to it...that and the thronomister settings all to buggery....
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Can anyone save that ninemsn video as a file to download, my pissy dial up wont let me watch the video clearly it comes through in bursts.
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Re the incident itself; A friend of mine fluent in Thai taught me a phrase which would suit the occasion perfectly;
"Sum num na!!"
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
"Sum num na!!"
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.