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Ansett III or just gold dust?
WEDNESDAY, 21 SEPTEMBER 2005
By RACHEL PANNETT
Air New Zealand's former Australian subsidiary Ansett could be about to undergo its third reincarnation since it was dumped by the struggling national carrier in 2001.
Former Ansett employee Jens Buche is plotting a fifth Australian domestic airline – RMA Gold Airways – named after Ansett's founder Reginald Miles Ansett.
The airline's website, www.flygold.com.au, lists a range of Australian destinations, from the more traditional Sydney and Melbourne, to the obscure – Nhulunbuy, Proserpine or Whyalla. As for international departures? They're listed as TBD (to be decided).
Mr Buche – through his other brainchild, Pacific Southwest Engineering, a company specialising in "total airline development solutions" – has completed business plans for a "large domestic airline operating A320 aircraft in Australasia".
He says the airline will begin operating from Melbourne "around the end of this year".
But there's a catch. Despite Mr Buche's enthusiasm, the airline has no major financial backers, no aircraft and no operator's certificate.
Not to be deterred, RMA Gold has begun recruiting staff – from aircraft engineers to call centre workers, about 300 employees in total. The roles are listed on the RMA Gold website with an application deadline of September 30.
"Shape your career with Gold Airways," the website says.
The airline is also seeking "venture consultants", inviting those who "would like to share in the equity of an exciting new Australasian Domestic and International airline venture" to contribute their talent.
Mr Buche told the Sydney Morning Herald he has a team of 65 consultants working on the project, as well as a "huge player involved on the Europe front". He declined to name that player.
The 54-year-old Melbourne man has placed a media blackout on his exact plans, but will face tough competition from Qantas, Jetstar, Virgin Blue and possibly fledgling budget business carrier OzJet.
Ansett was an iconic Australian airline, with a history dating back to 1935. The airline prospered from the post-war years until the 1980s.
But it hit the rocks when investments like a share in US airline America West, which filed for bankruptcy but survived, and its Hamilton Island resort, which went into receivership, performed badly.
The airline disposed of non-core assets and was the official sponsor of the 2000 Sydney Olympics, but liquidity problems resurfaced and in September 2001 Air New Zealand placed it in administration.
A plan was hatched to launch 'Ansett II' under a new management structure as Tesna Holdings (Tesna being 'Ansett' backwards). That venture failed and the last Ansett flight was from Perth to Sydney on March 5, 2002.
RMA Gold, formed in 2004, sees itself as Ansett Australia's domestic replacement.
WEDNESDAY, 21 SEPTEMBER 2005
By RACHEL PANNETT
Air New Zealand's former Australian subsidiary Ansett could be about to undergo its third reincarnation since it was dumped by the struggling national carrier in 2001.
Former Ansett employee Jens Buche is plotting a fifth Australian domestic airline – RMA Gold Airways – named after Ansett's founder Reginald Miles Ansett.
The airline's website, www.flygold.com.au, lists a range of Australian destinations, from the more traditional Sydney and Melbourne, to the obscure – Nhulunbuy, Proserpine or Whyalla. As for international departures? They're listed as TBD (to be decided).
Mr Buche – through his other brainchild, Pacific Southwest Engineering, a company specialising in "total airline development solutions" – has completed business plans for a "large domestic airline operating A320 aircraft in Australasia".
He says the airline will begin operating from Melbourne "around the end of this year".
But there's a catch. Despite Mr Buche's enthusiasm, the airline has no major financial backers, no aircraft and no operator's certificate.
Not to be deterred, RMA Gold has begun recruiting staff – from aircraft engineers to call centre workers, about 300 employees in total. The roles are listed on the RMA Gold website with an application deadline of September 30.
"Shape your career with Gold Airways," the website says.
The airline is also seeking "venture consultants", inviting those who "would like to share in the equity of an exciting new Australasian Domestic and International airline venture" to contribute their talent.
Mr Buche told the Sydney Morning Herald he has a team of 65 consultants working on the project, as well as a "huge player involved on the Europe front". He declined to name that player.
The 54-year-old Melbourne man has placed a media blackout on his exact plans, but will face tough competition from Qantas, Jetstar, Virgin Blue and possibly fledgling budget business carrier OzJet.
Ansett was an iconic Australian airline, with a history dating back to 1935. The airline prospered from the post-war years until the 1980s.
But it hit the rocks when investments like a share in US airline America West, which filed for bankruptcy but survived, and its Hamilton Island resort, which went into receivership, performed badly.
The airline disposed of non-core assets and was the official sponsor of the 2000 Sydney Olympics, but liquidity problems resurfaced and in September 2001 Air New Zealand placed it in administration.
A plan was hatched to launch 'Ansett II' under a new management structure as Tesna Holdings (Tesna being 'Ansett' backwards). That venture failed and the last Ansett flight was from Perth to Sydney on March 5, 2002.
RMA Gold, formed in 2004, sees itself as Ansett Australia's domestic replacement.
Is that you Jens? Are you one of Legal_Counsel's mates? I only ask becuse of Join Date: Oct 2001
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SWH thats my point it will have to be operated on a PCN and then after a few goes in and out the runway will be f@cked. Just have a look at Ballina after VB have been putting too many 800's in there
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You're working out PCNs at Whyalla? What about some of the more obvious standouts, like;
- no money
- no AOC
- no aircraft
Last time I checked you couldn't launch an airline without these 3 things, but then again aviation has changed lately.
Fascinated about how he could get it in the air in 3 months time.
Yet another bullsh*t merchant in the aviation game; my how the media must be thirsty for stories.
- no money
- no AOC
- no aircraft
Last time I checked you couldn't launch an airline without these 3 things, but then again aviation has changed lately.
Fascinated about how he could get it in the air in 3 months time.
Yet another bullsh*t merchant in the aviation game; my how the media must be thirsty for stories.
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I suppose it doesn't necessarily imply they will be operating A320 there, but they might do a regional code share I guess. Maybe with Rex?
The other thing is, press reports can be misleading. I have to admire the man. He's obviously got it firmly fixed in his head that failure is not an option. This is the sort of person we need to drive the future of Australian aviation to the next level.
FYI I am not associated with him but probably wouldn't mind being so if he has achieved all of that already. Even so, if the press reports are true, he has some work to do and I am sure there will be plenty of investors and talent looking for a person to run the show with his background. And if it is an Ansett III then he would be the one to truly pull off the hat trick leaving egg on the face of those who tried beforehand.
I am still trying to fathom out who this Euro mob are. It would have to be Air France or Lufthansa you would think or maybe it is Ozjet's cousin EAL????. Who else is big in Europe? Seems strange whenever Ozjet is delayed so is this venture. Maybe Ozjet will become Gold Airways.
The other thing is, press reports can be misleading. I have to admire the man. He's obviously got it firmly fixed in his head that failure is not an option. This is the sort of person we need to drive the future of Australian aviation to the next level.
FYI I am not associated with him but probably wouldn't mind being so if he has achieved all of that already. Even so, if the press reports are true, he has some work to do and I am sure there will be plenty of investors and talent looking for a person to run the show with his background. And if it is an Ansett III then he would be the one to truly pull off the hat trick leaving egg on the face of those who tried beforehand.
I am still trying to fathom out who this Euro mob are. It would have to be Air France or Lufthansa you would think or maybe it is Ozjet's cousin EAL????. Who else is big in Europe? Seems strange whenever Ozjet is delayed so is this venture. Maybe Ozjet will become Gold Airways.
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FYI I am not associated with him but probably wouldn't mind being so if he has achieved all of that already.
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OzJet is not, and never will be associated with Gold Airway or Jens Buche. Period.
Legal_Council must disclose any interest in any airline venture to have any credibility.
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Sorry to drag an old thread up from the dead, but has anyone seen this?
http://www.ansettregionalairlines.com/index.html
http://www.ansettregionalairlines.com/index.html
Sorry to drag an old thread up from the dead, but has anyone seen this?
http://www.ansettregionalairlines.com/index.html
http://www.ansettregionalairlines.com/index.html
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How many Ansetts are there? Would the real Ansett please stand up?????
We have a paid banner advert on PPRuNe for Ansett Aviation Pty Ltd, web site www.ansettaviation.com.au
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We have a paid banner advert on PPRuNe for Ansett Aviation Pty Ltd, web site www.ansettaviation.com.au
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restart Ansett as a QLD regional airline
Unfortunately Ansett is dead and that means forever. You can start up a new show, name it "Ansett", even paint the jets the sme colour but it won't be Ansett.
Or am I being overly cynical?
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It is indeed the same thing. But I am curious.
What the bloody hell does that mean??? 
Oh I get it. It means its a dead duck, there was no money, there never will be any money and it's all bs
Since it seems to be in vogue at the moment,
aeropolitical instabilities
Oh I get it. It means its a dead duck, there was no money, there never will be any money and it's all bs
Since it seems to be in vogue at the moment,
Come one, Come all as we proudly announce the entry of a new domestic airline in Australia. Using an iconic name and drawing on the love of millions of Australians, Ansett Global Golden Star Princess Airlines of Australia Pty Limited trading as Ansett Airlines Global Services will fly a fleet of 25 Dash 8's, 15 Fokker F28's, 52 Boeing 737-800s, 11 Airbus 320's and (for old times sake) a single Boeing 747.
All planes will be fitted out in a three class configuration. Gold, Silver and Plebian. As a world first the Gold class passengers will be seated at the back of the plane. We have followed this path as after extensive research and enquiry we have found that planes do not reverse into mountains. We have concluded that our higher fare paying passengers are the ones who we would prefer to see again. Plebian class passengers get a free will kit with every ticket.
We don't yet know where we will be based or where we will fly to but our European investor who is extremely rich tells us that we have to get there by flying. This will make the operational aspect of the airline a bit more problematic but we are confident we will have an Air Operations Certification by Wednesday of next week. Timetables will be available from Thursday afternoon.
We also are proud to announce that we have a chief pilot. We haven't met him yet but he assures us that he is up to the task. Sunfish, could you please confirm your availability.
We now call for investors from Australia to provide us with further, but really unnecessary although we won't turn it down, financial backing. Please forward money orders to the following address and we will post back to you regular progress reports of how we are spending your money.
P O Box 2332
West Thuringowa
Qld
All planes will be fitted out in a three class configuration. Gold, Silver and Plebian. As a world first the Gold class passengers will be seated at the back of the plane. We have followed this path as after extensive research and enquiry we have found that planes do not reverse into mountains. We have concluded that our higher fare paying passengers are the ones who we would prefer to see again. Plebian class passengers get a free will kit with every ticket.
We don't yet know where we will be based or where we will fly to but our European investor who is extremely rich tells us that we have to get there by flying. This will make the operational aspect of the airline a bit more problematic but we are confident we will have an Air Operations Certification by Wednesday of next week. Timetables will be available from Thursday afternoon.
We also are proud to announce that we have a chief pilot. We haven't met him yet but he assures us that he is up to the task. Sunfish, could you please confirm your availability.
We now call for investors from Australia to provide us with further, but really unnecessary although we won't turn it down, financial backing. Please forward money orders to the following address and we will post back to you regular progress reports of how we are spending your money.
P O Box 2332
West Thuringowa
Qld
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Hi notmyC150v2,
Gold Airways needs to be funded to make it fly. It's the same for any new business; without money it won't go anywhere despite all the good planning that may have gone into it. The stakes are much higher for an airline intending to deliver a high value product in a highly competitive market.
The practicalities of a start-up presents risks to investors; especially in Australia. The risks can be minimised where political synergies can be created and opportunities exploited with a foreign airline operator. However, the Australian Government appears to be unwilling to encourage an association of the type suggested, that is, for a foreign operator to invest in Gold Airways for an expanded domestic and global presence for Gold Airways. At this stage we are keeping the option open to expand Gold Airways globally after Year 2 anyway.
I can tell you that the Gold Airways model is sound. This is not just my opinion but also of those organisations and individuals who have had an opportunity to do due diligence on the plan or taken an in-depth overview. The plan is well advanced with a managment team in place. I have a team in place that keeps the plan up to date as well.
The process of finding investors is tedious and challenging. Much research is done before targeting potential investors. I have two highly experienced full time airline analysts and a highly regarded airline marketing expert employed to do this. Geographical, political and start-up risk averseness all has to be considered.
The world is also changing in the venture capital arena. We are currently in talks with an investor that recently acquired a major investment in an aircraft lessor. We now have a value proposition that we can use to fund the airline, but it's still early days. The trick in all of this is to remain focussed on your goal and do all that is necessary to achieve that goal.
Cheers
Jens Buche
Gold Airways needs to be funded to make it fly. It's the same for any new business; without money it won't go anywhere despite all the good planning that may have gone into it. The stakes are much higher for an airline intending to deliver a high value product in a highly competitive market.
The practicalities of a start-up presents risks to investors; especially in Australia. The risks can be minimised where political synergies can be created and opportunities exploited with a foreign airline operator. However, the Australian Government appears to be unwilling to encourage an association of the type suggested, that is, for a foreign operator to invest in Gold Airways for an expanded domestic and global presence for Gold Airways. At this stage we are keeping the option open to expand Gold Airways globally after Year 2 anyway.
I can tell you that the Gold Airways model is sound. This is not just my opinion but also of those organisations and individuals who have had an opportunity to do due diligence on the plan or taken an in-depth overview. The plan is well advanced with a managment team in place. I have a team in place that keeps the plan up to date as well.
The process of finding investors is tedious and challenging. Much research is done before targeting potential investors. I have two highly experienced full time airline analysts and a highly regarded airline marketing expert employed to do this. Geographical, political and start-up risk averseness all has to be considered.
The world is also changing in the venture capital arena. We are currently in talks with an investor that recently acquired a major investment in an aircraft lessor. We now have a value proposition that we can use to fund the airline, but it's still early days. The trick in all of this is to remain focussed on your goal and do all that is necessary to achieve that goal.
Cheers
Jens Buche
