EBA reportback???
Has anyone got any EBA reportback info???
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We don't get to vote for another 2 weeks or so and they wouldn't allow any other voting, ie. "vote of no confidence " and the like.
We are totally shafted, same as every other EBA.
F#$& the Government , F#$% the Airline and F#$% those Ar$e H@!es running the Union.
Hand me a resignation form.
We are totally shafted, same as every other EBA.
F#$& the Government , F#$% the Airline and F#$% those Ar$e H@!es running the Union.
Hand me a resignation form.
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Hang in there hangar9.
I know of several LAME's looking into getting the AMWU to represent Lame's at the next EBA.
By the ~~~ the idea of getting a pin number to vote online means that someone will be able to track your vote.
Secret ballot my @#$%
I know of several LAME's looking into getting the AMWU to represent Lame's at the next EBA.
By the ~~~ the idea of getting a pin number to vote online means that someone will be able to track your vote.
Secret ballot my @#$%
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Hold off on the resignations boys. All you will do is throw your vote away at the next election for the Federal Executive. They are encouraging angry members to leave. If 300 or 400 of us leave it will ensure that the same ar$eh0le$ get re-elected. It will play into their hands.
The problem is not the union it's the people running it. The election is 12 months away and there is a well ogranised take over team that are fully prepared to assume control of the Bexley office. Send me a PM if you want more info.
They plan to use professionals to negotiate the eba. They are going to sack Chris R and stand up for the members at all costs. They come from a new generation that seeks peace and unity with all other Qantas unions.
The problem is not the union it's the people running it. The election is 12 months away and there is a well ogranised take over team that are fully prepared to assume control of the Bexley office. Send me a PM if you want more info.
They plan to use professionals to negotiate the eba. They are going to sack Chris R and stand up for the members at all costs. They come from a new generation that seeks peace and unity with all other Qantas unions.
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yeap that's right masked goat rider,tonight in Syd at H245/HM meeting one member got up and made statement that he was not getting fair representation for his money,the exec that where there which where the bargining committee had told him should leave the union then if he thought that.This is what they want they want to fustrate the membership and have them leave before there vote can be counted in nexted years election.
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At that same meeting the Industrial officer misrepresented the associations powers, the members rights and the interpretation of the EBA package.
The executive misrepresented the members feedback over the proposal by not tallying all the received feedback including member motions that were passed.
Trustee 1 did a runner after verbally abusing members.
The H/M councillor refused to admit that he voted for the package,even though he did, (instead thinking it was more important to attack the person asking the question) even though his own area of representation gave it a resounding thumbs down.
The executive admitted that they did not consult with heavy maintenance employees over the ot bank.
The industrial officer stated that if one of the areas was sold to another employer then the employees were entitled to a redundancy package if they didn't want to go and that this was the big selling point of the whole deal.
When questioned on this he had to admit that that that wasn't in fact the case and that we didn't have the right to ask for a package if the new employer wanted us to work for them.
What was the big selling point then?
Ring the office and ask Mr C.R what the truth really is.
The result of this meeting...
Exposure of the Executives bargaining committe as a bunch of unproffesional morons that have been comprehensively worked over by the qantas negotiating team.
The executive misrepresented the members feedback over the proposal by not tallying all the received feedback including member motions that were passed.
Trustee 1 did a runner after verbally abusing members.
The H/M councillor refused to admit that he voted for the package,even though he did, (instead thinking it was more important to attack the person asking the question) even though his own area of representation gave it a resounding thumbs down.
The executive admitted that they did not consult with heavy maintenance employees over the ot bank.
The industrial officer stated that if one of the areas was sold to another employer then the employees were entitled to a redundancy package if they didn't want to go and that this was the big selling point of the whole deal.
When questioned on this he had to admit that that that wasn't in fact the case and that we didn't have the right to ask for a package if the new employer wanted us to work for them.
What was the big selling point then?
Ring the office and ask Mr C.R what the truth really is.
The result of this meeting...
Exposure of the Executives bargaining committe as a bunch of unproffesional morons that have been comprehensively worked over by the qantas negotiating team.
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We've just had our meeting.
I can't belive the cr#p that was dished out by our executive.
C.R. stood out front and spouted the company propaganda just like Cox had his hand up C.R's back.
We were told that Syd were in favour of this agreement and that Melb were just troublemakers.
Trish when pushed admitted that THEY modified the O/T clause to REMOVE the restriction on how many times QF can stand people down!! The original QF offer was a max of 38hrs per year, the new offer is limitless. The negotiating committee were proud of this achievment.
Can you belive this B.S.?
None of the questions asked were directly answered.
M.O'R. said there was no division between Line & Heavy, yet still pointed out the differences regarding Licence payments
These people actually belive this is a great deal and we should jump at the oppurtunity to screw ourselves.
I.m no longer upset just totally depressed how a group of individuals can shaft the majority and still stand up and say the are looking after us
I can't belive the cr#p that was dished out by our executive.
C.R. stood out front and spouted the company propaganda just like Cox had his hand up C.R's back.
We were told that Syd were in favour of this agreement and that Melb were just troublemakers.
Trish when pushed admitted that THEY modified the O/T clause to REMOVE the restriction on how many times QF can stand people down!! The original QF offer was a max of 38hrs per year, the new offer is limitless. The negotiating committee were proud of this achievment.
Can you belive this B.S.?
None of the questions asked were directly answered.
M.O'R. said there was no division between Line & Heavy, yet still pointed out the differences regarding Licence payments
These people actually belive this is a great deal and we should jump at the oppurtunity to screw ourselves.
I.m no longer upset just totally depressed how a group of individuals can shaft the majority and still stand up and say the are looking after us
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so a few vocal pinheads have decided they want more money than the rest of us and try to reck some meetings. The one I went to didnt have the troublemakers and overall the men were quiet content with the offer. We had to give them something to get rid of that transmision clause and if ot bank is it then so be it. All credit to the expeirienced leaders to have it removed and if the greedy HM staff could only look at what youve saved insted of the money then maybe we all better off. So get over yourselves and start to look at what you do have and what we can all loose if we want to FIGHT for a bigger payrise.
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Well the back pay has gone if we say shove it, after tax there isn't that much anyway. It is worth a little loss I think to get a better deal. Nothing worth fighting for unless we go back to our original claim, we need to do something about the heavy chains around our neck first.
How can we cut them away???
How can we cut them away???
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The meeting last night in Syd has convinced me that the exec. are not to be trusted. To be lied to like that while they keep a straight face.........
It is vitally important that we spread the word about feeling at these meetings to all we know around the country because it is obvious that they will lie.
It is vitally important that we spread the word about feeling at these meetings to all we know around the country because it is obvious that they will lie.
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Well the back pay has gone if we say shove it, after tax there isn't that much anyway.
The parties agree to commence negotiations on a new collective enterprise agreement no later than three months prior to the expiry date of this Agreement. The parties are committed to complete negotiations on the new agreement prior to the expiry of this Agreement. Qantas will continue to apply the terms of this Agreement to all employees covered by it until the new agreement takes legal effect. The operative date of the new agreement will be the first pay period on or after 1 January 2005.
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The proposed overtime banking system is a back door method of bringing in contract labour, something that Qf has being trying for a long time. With contract labour you only bring the people in when you want them and when the work has being completed then its good bye to the employees until they are needed again. Unfortunatly people working contracts will only come if the money is right and Qf has never believed in paying the right money either to its permanent employees or to any contractors. So they proposed OT banking system alleviates two problems for Qf,
1. Employees will only be in the hangar when the Aircraft is in the hangar. 2. Pay Rates will stay the same. No need to pay the workers fat contracting rates.
Of course this suits the ALAEA as people who are on contracts are generally not members of any union and all unions main job is to get and retain members.
As far as the 3% per year is concerned its simply is not enough, NSW police force are looking at between 20% and 24% depending on rank, and thats on top of generous pay increases over the last few years. NSW public nurses are getting 12% and holding out for 16%. So 3% is very disappointing, but its exactly what the company offered in January when the EBA negotiations started. Our 6.6% seems to be long forgotten by the ALAEA.
So in my opinion I think we have being sold a dude by the Association who are more worried by the number of paying members and their own long term prospects with the company.
Vote No and stick one up the Bastards
Things can only get better.
1. Employees will only be in the hangar when the Aircraft is in the hangar. 2. Pay Rates will stay the same. No need to pay the workers fat contracting rates.
Of course this suits the ALAEA as people who are on contracts are generally not members of any union and all unions main job is to get and retain members.
As far as the 3% per year is concerned its simply is not enough, NSW police force are looking at between 20% and 24% depending on rank, and thats on top of generous pay increases over the last few years. NSW public nurses are getting 12% and holding out for 16%. So 3% is very disappointing, but its exactly what the company offered in January when the EBA negotiations started. Our 6.6% seems to be long forgotten by the ALAEA.
So in my opinion I think we have being sold a dude by the Association who are more worried by the number of paying members and their own long term prospects with the company.
Vote No and stick one up the Bastards
Things can only get better.
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Look on you face when
a) You see a hundred angry men wishing to string you up,
b) you realise adrenalin is brown,
c) you realise it's seeping into your shoes
d) no ones there to hold your hand
PRICELESS
They scoff from their ivory towers but soon they will fall and it will not be without casualty
New Shoes Italian Leather - $154
New Italian silk tie - $57
New Thumb ring (Gift from Phillipe) - $32
New walk picked up from Madam Suiss Hall of Dancing - $45
Look on you face when
a) You see a hundred angry men wishing to string you up,
b) you realise adrenalin is brown,
c) you realise it's seeping into your shoes
d) no ones there to hold your hand
PRICELESS
They scoff from their ivory towers but soon they will fall and it will not be without casualty
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Thanks redstone, just feeling a little down after witnessing the most arrogent show of self worth I have ever seen.
How far are the executive prepared to errode our conditions for their own management ambitions.
To those who are party to this disgusting show,just remember what has just happened to your hero Mr. Potatoehead. You could not have had an executive do more to shaft members for his own gain and company glory. QF dropped him so fast its was most rewarding to watch.
How far are the executive prepared to errode our conditions for their own management ambitions.
To those who are party to this disgusting show,just remember what has just happened to your hero Mr. Potatoehead. You could not have had an executive do more to shaft members for his own gain and company glory. QF dropped him so fast its was most rewarding to watch.
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I think that the executives complete disdain for the members will be their downfall.
Their arrogance and vacuum cleaner salesmanship is obvious to anyone at the meetings and this will bring them undone.
JUST VOTE NO FOR THE GOOD OF THE ASSOCIATION
Their arrogance and vacuum cleaner salesmanship is obvious to anyone at the meetings and this will bring them undone.
JUST VOTE NO FOR THE GOOD OF THE ASSOCIATION
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Nice to see some of the Exec copping some heat over their roles in the EBA joke. Intersting that the HM reps both voted in favour of endorsing the agreement. Just for the record, there are 9 Fed Exec members who hail from Melbourne. Only one of them voted in favour of recommending this rubbish to the members. He is the unemployed Federal Secretary. The rest in favour all came from the north.
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Only one of them voted in favour of recommending this rubbish to the members. He is the unemployed Federal Secretary. The rest in favour all came from the north.
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Just for the record, there are 9 Fed Exec members who hail from Melbourne. Only one of them voted in favour of recommending this rubbish to the members.
D!ckheads. As usual.