Hi i'm a pilot, new senior base pilot actually
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Should've known better
Captwawa,
You've just categorised yourself with those that do not research facts and form strong opinions based on a minimum of insight, with your comment:
Well done comrade. If you should ever happen to emerge from your world of oblivion, you may find that the guys at *****t (some of whom I know) are in fact very happy, and treated as they should be.
I doubt the dozens of pilots from all the companies surrounding them who have asked them for a job believe they're about to "go under".
Jealousy is a cruel emotion, isn't it? One which cannot be easily contained, it would appear.
The mind boggles....
520.
You've just categorised yourself with those that do not research facts and form strong opinions based on a minimum of insight, with your comment:
I have been told that the reason that they are busy is due to pilots subsidising the charter costs by paying to do ICUS. That allows the company to quote twins at single rates, and guess what - busy and happy like Microsoft
I doubt the dozens of pilots from all the companies surrounding them who have asked them for a job believe they're about to "go under".
Jealousy is a cruel emotion, isn't it? One which cannot be easily contained, it would appear.
The mind boggles....
520.
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Savvy managers, though, can stop jealousy before it occurs:
o Make sure employees know the selection criteria for promotions, assignments, and awards.
o Emphasize that your decisions are based on equity and fairness. That way, when Julie gets sent to Paris, Bob understands she was chosen for her fluency in French, not because she sucked up to her superiors.
o Rotate workers to share desirable assignments.
o Ask staff members for their input in decision-making.
o Finally, remind employees that you value their efforts. Workers with high self-esteem are less likely to engage in destructive turf wars.
Which is indicative of LOW esteem for these muppets starting this post!
I find the same problem when I leave my flight school in my Merc CLK320 (Dad didn't think the extra for the 500 was needed yet). However some fellow students seem to have dropped the green eyed bomb just because we have money to burn.......so what I love flying, and Dads rich .......get over it, LOSERS!
o Make sure employees know the selection criteria for promotions, assignments, and awards.
o Emphasize that your decisions are based on equity and fairness. That way, when Julie gets sent to Paris, Bob understands she was chosen for her fluency in French, not because she sucked up to her superiors.
o Rotate workers to share desirable assignments.
o Ask staff members for their input in decision-making.
o Finally, remind employees that you value their efforts. Workers with high self-esteem are less likely to engage in destructive turf wars.
Which is indicative of LOW esteem for these muppets starting this post!
I find the same problem when I leave my flight school in my Merc CLK320 (Dad didn't think the extra for the 500 was needed yet). However some fellow students seem to have dropped the green eyed bomb just because we have money to burn.......so what I love flying, and Dads rich .......get over it, LOSERS!
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Continental-520 you didn’t strike me as a moron. Where in my post have I stated that the pilots there are unhappy and poorly treated? Nor have I said or implied that they are going under. The opposite actually. Jealousy over flying pistons in Darwin again is not the underlying emotion I’m afraid. But to question the principals of the local operators. Why don’t you go and see for yourself the operation down south and ask what training and experience they can provide. You might also want to ask for a charter quote and compare it to other operators in the area also. I can only comment on the conduct of the Darwin operation from trusted second hand information. That is why I said “I have been told”. I haven’t researched the facts but know of a few who are. I hope when you say that the pilots are being treated as they should be means that they are being paid properly. It just strikes me as strange when HA the king of undercutting can’t operate profitably when competing with #####T Air head to head.
I just pose this final question. How can a company that pays their pilots properly, conforms to duty time limitations and uses leased aircraft afford to legally operate profitably at below cost charter rates?
wawa
ps. I don't know the guy you are all referring to but I think enough is enough. From what I have read he seems just a harmless social outcast. If he is not a bad person then just let him be. Save the ridicule for the evil souls of this world.
I just pose this final question. How can a company that pays their pilots properly, conforms to duty time limitations and uses leased aircraft afford to legally operate profitably at below cost charter rates?
wawa
ps. I don't know the guy you are all referring to but I think enough is enough. From what I have read he seems just a harmless social outcast. If he is not a bad person then just let him be. Save the ridicule for the evil souls of this world.
I have no idea who you are talking about and it makes no difference.
My point is that even if he were a good bloke working for another company, particularly in a senior and/or management position other pilots would take pleasure in assasinating his character for some unexplicable reason.
The next point is who is this magical good operator on the airport??
The one you named has an extremely chequered past or has that been over looked due to -
"thats were I work and their taking our flying because they quote lower, there fore they must be dangerous".
Re this "good operator" The same person IS at the helm, I would be supprised if any thing has changed for the better, just learnt how to hide from CASA more effectively.
At the end of the day the only GA operator at Darwin that is possibly worth a thought would have to be Pearl.
In my time here I have heard almost nothing derogatory about them from within or externally, they pay OK I believe, their aircraft are OK they don't have much of an accident history.
The rest are good for gaining experience and moving on asap, including scare north.
The best I have heard of recently is one of the so called good operators of the not so distant past is in gaol for fraud. Beautiful.
My point is that even if he were a good bloke working for another company, particularly in a senior and/or management position other pilots would take pleasure in assasinating his character for some unexplicable reason.
The next point is who is this magical good operator on the airport??
The one you named has an extremely chequered past or has that been over looked due to -
"thats were I work and their taking our flying because they quote lower, there fore they must be dangerous".
Re this "good operator" The same person IS at the helm, I would be supprised if any thing has changed for the better, just learnt how to hide from CASA more effectively.
At the end of the day the only GA operator at Darwin that is possibly worth a thought would have to be Pearl.
In my time here I have heard almost nothing derogatory about them from within or externally, they pay OK I believe, their aircraft are OK they don't have much of an accident history.
The rest are good for gaining experience and moving on asap, including scare north.
The best I have heard of recently is one of the so called good operators of the not so distant past is in gaol for fraud. Beautiful.
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Look fella's the grass is always greener on the other side, who cares why *****t air are busy, it's up to the operations departments to take care of quoting etc... I think most of us here are up here to get our hours, sink a heap of p!ss then move on. Don't get caught up in all this bullsh!t, try to keep things simple. Keep flying efficiently, keep your punters happy and you'll do alright. Keep your respective companies out of your little arguements, it gives the wider community of pilots who read this an impression of unprofessionalism on the side of the company that you are 'representing' while you try to hack the other company and their employees down.
So this guy was a pr!ck at the pub that night at the pub, have a laugh at him, get over it and move on. As for those who think people should drop to their knees and worship you for who you are or what you do, you make me sick.
So this guy was a pr!ck at the pub that night at the pub, have a laugh at him, get over it and move on. As for those who think people should drop to their knees and worship you for who you are or what you do, you make me sick.
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How could NAC "sell" a remote base? Isn't an "NAC remote base" just a parking space on a publically owned airfield like Katherine with a portable office (that actually means secondhand caravan up on bricks with an extension cord hanging out the walll) somewhere nearby to accomodate a 210 driver with his own mobile phone?
It's not like they are established offices with permanent facilities and aircraft, rights to routes and associated turnover of dollars. Maybe I'm totally wrong but that was the impression I got about what a GA remote base looks like.
Gee, what does a fantastic business opportunity like that sell for these days anyway?
It's not like they are established offices with permanent facilities and aircraft, rights to routes and associated turnover of dollars. Maybe I'm totally wrong but that was the impression I got about what a GA remote base looks like.
Gee, what does a fantastic business opportunity like that sell for these days anyway?
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Bargain....NOT.
Ginjockey,
Right on the money again there. Any man and his dog can set up a remote base as long as their AOC & Ops Manual allow for it, I would think.
So, the only way of 'selling' a remote base would be to sell the chitty, decrepid old caravan on bricks, in this instance, seeing that HA doesn't even own the aircraft which are situated at the remote bases 'for sale'.
Could lease it out, of course, but that would hardly be viable unless aircraft leases are transferred to the new contender, cause NAC lease them anyway.
So, what's the bet? How long till they fold?
Hopefully the pilots will find an escape route before they do...
520.
Right on the money again there. Any man and his dog can set up a remote base as long as their AOC & Ops Manual allow for it, I would think.
So, the only way of 'selling' a remote base would be to sell the chitty, decrepid old caravan on bricks, in this instance, seeing that HA doesn't even own the aircraft which are situated at the remote bases 'for sale'.
Could lease it out, of course, but that would hardly be viable unless aircraft leases are transferred to the new contender, cause NAC lease them anyway.
So, what's the bet? How long till they fold?
Hopefully the pilots will find an escape route before they do...
520.
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VH OJA has got it in one.
Why do so many people complain and moan about what the other companies are up to. Why do the employees of company A wish so hard for company B to close down?? Yeah you might get a few more hours but that probably wont change what you are doing in a few years time. Your attitude will affect that more than extra hours in the log book. We will all be gone and moved on to bigger and better things a few years down the track. Each company I know has got some great guys working there. I dont want them to be out of a job.
Lets all have a bit of fun, get the hours, have a few beers and a laugh.
GG
Why do so many people complain and moan about what the other companies are up to. Why do the employees of company A wish so hard for company B to close down?? Yeah you might get a few more hours but that probably wont change what you are doing in a few years time. Your attitude will affect that more than extra hours in the log book. We will all be gone and moved on to bigger and better things a few years down the track. Each company I know has got some great guys working there. I dont want them to be out of a job.
Lets all have a bit of fun, get the hours, have a few beers and a laugh.
GG
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FOR SALE
OK, just finished typing up my classified for the Trading Post, thought I would run it past some of you before I pay for it.
FOR SALE: Unique Business Opportunity. Remote Aircraft Charter Base. Includes one 12m X 6m piece of grassy parking area on public airfield. Comes with full infrastructure including 3 star pickets in a triangle attached to 4 metre lengths of frayed rope, one of which has a snap hook still on it. Star pickets marked with 1976 Holden gemini tyres, once painted white back in 1984.
Also included, one termite riddled "Tour Delux" Caravan mounted up on house bricks. Carvan is fitted with one non functioning airconditioner and original curtains, some flyscreens need replacing. Sale also includes a 1992 WAC chart taped to the dining area wall, one wonky office chair and a wasp nest in the back right hand corner.
This sale does not include an aircraft, any goodwill or contracts.
A once in alifetime chance to break into the big money world of aviation. No time wasters. Genuine buyers only. Price on Application.
C'mon in spinners.......
FOR SALE: Unique Business Opportunity. Remote Aircraft Charter Base. Includes one 12m X 6m piece of grassy parking area on public airfield. Comes with full infrastructure including 3 star pickets in a triangle attached to 4 metre lengths of frayed rope, one of which has a snap hook still on it. Star pickets marked with 1976 Holden gemini tyres, once painted white back in 1984.
Also included, one termite riddled "Tour Delux" Caravan mounted up on house bricks. Carvan is fitted with one non functioning airconditioner and original curtains, some flyscreens need replacing. Sale also includes a 1992 WAC chart taped to the dining area wall, one wonky office chair and a wasp nest in the back right hand corner.
This sale does not include an aircraft, any goodwill or contracts.
A once in alifetime chance to break into the big money world of aviation. No time wasters. Genuine buyers only. Price on Application.
C'mon in spinners.......
continental 520 and friends, take notice of oja.
By the way some of those aircraft in remote communites can make an absolute killing.
It takes more than parking an aircraft and a pilot at a community to make it work, apart from the AOC etc, most of these commumities have a bit of loyalty to established local pilots and operators, when I was involved with this type of operation, the aircraft based at commumities where making more $$$$ than any aircraft we had based in Darwin.
What is there to sell?
The aircraft, assuming he owns it
the goodwill of the pilot/company who hopefully has built up a relationship with the commumity including the right to live and work in the community, that is certainly not a given. You can not just fly an aircraft to a commumity and say here I am I am the ace of the base fly with me!!!!
Just leave them alone and let everybody get on with their lives, or are yours so misserable that you feel it necessary to drag every body else down to your level.
By the way some of those aircraft in remote communites can make an absolute killing.
It takes more than parking an aircraft and a pilot at a community to make it work, apart from the AOC etc, most of these commumities have a bit of loyalty to established local pilots and operators, when I was involved with this type of operation, the aircraft based at commumities where making more $$$$ than any aircraft we had based in Darwin.
What is there to sell?
The aircraft, assuming he owns it
the goodwill of the pilot/company who hopefully has built up a relationship with the commumity including the right to live and work in the community, that is certainly not a given. You can not just fly an aircraft to a commumity and say here I am I am the ace of the base fly with me!!!!
Just leave them alone and let everybody get on with their lives, or are yours so misserable that you feel it necessary to drag every body else down to your level.
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Calm it down a notch Nurrp. I'm saying that the concept of selling an established "Base" is a whole lot different to what is actually on the ground in terms of infrastructure, capital and money making ablility. I have no idea what NAC's remote base consists of but from what I have seen of a typical outback GA operation, my above for sale ad is probably on the money.
As for pilot acceptance in a community. I disagree with that. It's not as if pilots have to be champions of the community and President of the Groote Eylandt golf club to get a few stray charters. Bush folk will charter whatever plane is available from whoever and if they happen to know the name of the bloke who will fly the plane well that's a bonus. Established goodwill is a vague and whimsical creature out ther in the sticks.
Also,Most bush base pilots are only about for a season anyway and the fact that they only last a year is usually a joke among the bushies anyway. How many young GA pilots decide to settle down in Meekatharra for life because they have mede friends with the local bobcat driver? Zip. Pilots want the minumum amount of time out there before they get back to a city with more than one pub so they can sniff out their next job. Loyalty is not a factor.
Maybe you watched too many episodes of Flying Doctors when you were a kid but it's not quite the romantic stuff of slim dusty songs out there these days.
I'm not dragging anybody down, I'm telling it like it is. Big difference.
As for pilot acceptance in a community. I disagree with that. It's not as if pilots have to be champions of the community and President of the Groote Eylandt golf club to get a few stray charters. Bush folk will charter whatever plane is available from whoever and if they happen to know the name of the bloke who will fly the plane well that's a bonus. Established goodwill is a vague and whimsical creature out ther in the sticks.
Also,Most bush base pilots are only about for a season anyway and the fact that they only last a year is usually a joke among the bushies anyway. How many young GA pilots decide to settle down in Meekatharra for life because they have mede friends with the local bobcat driver? Zip. Pilots want the minumum amount of time out there before they get back to a city with more than one pub so they can sniff out their next job. Loyalty is not a factor.
Maybe you watched too many episodes of Flying Doctors when you were a kid but it's not quite the romantic stuff of slim dusty songs out there these days.
I'm not dragging anybody down, I'm telling it like it is. Big difference.
ytbr
Spent some of the best times of my flying career at YTBR, back when the pub was still 24 hours. I used to fly my own boags and coopers in from Darwin and pay the publican $25 to keep it in the fridge for my consumption at the bar. Worked out cheaper than buying VB. A great community there then, from the copper to the nurses to the teachers. I miss it, especially sitting in nine mile billabong with beers and a pommie backpacker...
Adventures aplenty included abseiling into that sinkhole on the way to Kildurk (got some great pics of the artwork at the bottom!) and discovering some new styles of aboriginal art in the cliffs high above the East Baines.
A well run base is an asset that can be sold. Back in my day we had a slick operation that used to turn over big$$. It was a vertiable cash cow, topped up when you could arrange back charters though your network of people in the public service.
A poorly run base run by a disinterested pilot with a mobile is not worth anywhere near as much, agreed. Funny the people that moan about being based out bush when/if they make it to fly something transport cat. start to think back to how much fun it was.
It's all down to you.
CS
BTW is my go-kart trophy still on the top shelf? And what happened to my FHMs?
Adventures aplenty included abseiling into that sinkhole on the way to Kildurk (got some great pics of the artwork at the bottom!) and discovering some new styles of aboriginal art in the cliffs high above the East Baines.
A well run base is an asset that can be sold. Back in my day we had a slick operation that used to turn over big$$. It was a vertiable cash cow, topped up when you could arrange back charters though your network of people in the public service.
A poorly run base run by a disinterested pilot with a mobile is not worth anywhere near as much, agreed. Funny the people that moan about being based out bush when/if they make it to fly something transport cat. start to think back to how much fun it was.
It's all down to you.
CS
BTW is my go-kart trophy still on the top shelf? And what happened to my FHMs?
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Remote bases not profitable??
Mention the words cash fares to any ex Talair or Douglas Airways Pilot who was based on a 'remote' base and see what he says!
Providing of course he wishes to incriminate himself.
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you're born. Once when
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Mention the words cash fares to any ex Talair or Douglas Airways Pilot who was based on a 'remote' base and see what he says!
Providing of course he wishes to incriminate himself.
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you're born. Once when
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My Bi monthly visit to pprune
I had the please in flying with DxxxxxAir to groote, the pilot was unaware that I to was a pilot allbeit on the east coast. I wish the company i fly for would provide such service, I arrived to be treated to fresh coffee, cakes and friendly service not to mention the escort to the aircraft and a safety brief. The aircraft was clean and tidy and the departure on time. Dont personally know the SBP but Im sure he will settle down after the bagging he has recieved.
There are o lot of good operators and good pilots in darwin I dont think DxxxxtAir will be a threat but It looks like they are there to stay.
My Resume is on its way.
I had the please in flying with DxxxxxAir to groote, the pilot was unaware that I to was a pilot allbeit on the east coast. I wish the company i fly for would provide such service, I arrived to be treated to fresh coffee, cakes and friendly service not to mention the escort to the aircraft and a safety brief. The aircraft was clean and tidy and the departure on time. Dont personally know the SBP but Im sure he will settle down after the bagging he has recieved.
There are o lot of good operators and good pilots in darwin I dont think DxxxxtAir will be a threat but It looks like they are there to stay.
My Resume is on its way.
What are you talking about pinky?
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Misinterpretation to the max...
OJA, Gary Gearbox, Renurpp, Binoculars,
Obviously I was not clear enough in my previous inferences.
Would I like to see NAC shut down? Yes. But not for the reasons you assume.
Wouldn't you want to eliminate ANY operator who is detracting to our industry and detrimental to it? It's not that it's NAC in particular, I would wish the same of any operator who operates in a fashion such as NAC, and as I wrote in a previous post, I would hope that the pilots involved can source an escape route before it all crumbles to pieces.
As far as the 'hours' go, I frankly couldn't care less! Most of the work that NAC do these days involves hours that I don't want or need. The less sharks in this industry, the better gentlemen. I challenge you to disagree with that.
In addition, the point was not whether remote bases were profitable, but rather whether or not they could be "sold".
Please take stock....
520.
Obviously I was not clear enough in my previous inferences.
Would I like to see NAC shut down? Yes. But not for the reasons you assume.
Wouldn't you want to eliminate ANY operator who is detracting to our industry and detrimental to it? It's not that it's NAC in particular, I would wish the same of any operator who operates in a fashion such as NAC, and as I wrote in a previous post, I would hope that the pilots involved can source an escape route before it all crumbles to pieces.
As far as the 'hours' go, I frankly couldn't care less! Most of the work that NAC do these days involves hours that I don't want or need. The less sharks in this industry, the better gentlemen. I challenge you to disagree with that.
In addition, the point was not whether remote bases were profitable, but rather whether or not they could be "sold".
Please take stock....
520.