Emigrating to Australia to train/work???
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Emigrating to Australia to train/work???
Hi,
I've posted this in the Training forum but due to the small response thought I'd give it a go in here, apologies if it doesn't exactly fit the remit.
I have a UK (JAA) PPL with about 100hrs and want to train commercially.
I have the opportunity to either do it in the UK with the end result being a JAR ATPL (Frozen) or the more tempting offer of moving to Australia and doing it there. I obviously know it won't be JAR but CASA, although I have been reading about a course at Jandakot that is awaiting approval to do a combined licence.
I have visited Oz 3 times now and the last time I built up about 30 hours P1 on an Archer. Can anyone shed any light on whether this sounds like a good idea? I would love to live in Australia but am concerned about the ins and outs of a Brit coming in to the country to train to be a commercial pilot with views of employment there.
I am unsure of Visa options as the Department of Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs doesn't have the clearest of web sites. Is there a route I can take to get a Visa that will allow me to undertake my training there and then pursue my career goals there also (as a citizen)?
Ideally I would love to get the licence and then work as a bush pilot or similar with aspirations to get a job with an airline at the end of the day.
For the record I am a single 26yr old male that with 4 months in the gym would probably pass the medical (can anyone point me to a website that details the exact medical requirements?)
Thanks
Jimmydacraw
I've posted this in the Training forum but due to the small response thought I'd give it a go in here, apologies if it doesn't exactly fit the remit.
I have a UK (JAA) PPL with about 100hrs and want to train commercially.
I have the opportunity to either do it in the UK with the end result being a JAR ATPL (Frozen) or the more tempting offer of moving to Australia and doing it there. I obviously know it won't be JAR but CASA, although I have been reading about a course at Jandakot that is awaiting approval to do a combined licence.
I have visited Oz 3 times now and the last time I built up about 30 hours P1 on an Archer. Can anyone shed any light on whether this sounds like a good idea? I would love to live in Australia but am concerned about the ins and outs of a Brit coming in to the country to train to be a commercial pilot with views of employment there.
I am unsure of Visa options as the Department of Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs doesn't have the clearest of web sites. Is there a route I can take to get a Visa that will allow me to undertake my training there and then pursue my career goals there also (as a citizen)?
Ideally I would love to get the licence and then work as a bush pilot or similar with aspirations to get a job with an airline at the end of the day.
For the record I am a single 26yr old male that with 4 months in the gym would probably pass the medical (can anyone point me to a website that details the exact medical requirements?)
Thanks
Jimmydacraw
G'day Jimmy,
www.casa.gov.au
should get it for you - the liscencing / medical stuff that is.
For the job, I think the queue starts w a y d o w n t h e r e ....
Good Luck
www.casa.gov.au
should get it for you - the liscencing / medical stuff that is.
For the job, I think the queue starts w a y d o w n t h e r e ....
Good Luck
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Jimmy,
as FSO Griff just said the queue starts way down there, however there are a few major differences in hour building compared with the UK.
Its easy (relatively) to get good complex SE time, the airspace is relatively unrestricted, and the aussies are a very good bunch when it comes to aviation (not too many wing-commander this and wing commanders that around).
Its fairly cheap in comparison to the UK, but bloody expensive if you want quality ME time and you are earning OZ pesos to pay for it, that in comparison to the GBP is often shocking.
The queue is long, and I mean very long, I don't know your circumstances, but a JAR ATPL and a few trips to the USA to build the hours will probably set you up well for the 'lines in the EU.
On the other hand, if you want to fly tailwheel, bush, andget exposure to some great flying, then OZ is pretty good, but if you are sacrificing the JAR ATPL for the lifestyle, then have a long ponder about the next 3-4 years.
As I said, I do not know your current job/finances, nor income, nor personal circumstances, if you are single, and work hard, and are prepared to go up north in OZ then you can make it, however if you have a well paid job in the UK, and can do the ATPL there, "buy" blocks in the US then you are better off financially.
To mitigate the risk of the class I down here, I would strongly suggest doing an initial JAA/JAR class I at gatwick before you come, you' still have to do an aussie class I , but that should be a matter of course if you have the JAR I
PM me if you want the low-down on costs living/casa conversion/medicals/sydney/etc
I won't recommend any school, nor any jobs, but I can tell you what I have experienced, and we are thinking of coming up north to earn some lucre to finance some USA Courses, that is of course if I can hold my patience at US Immigration
[edit: to correct 7gcbc's appaling comprehension, just saw IT on your profile, PM me I can DEFINITELY give you advice and info on that market]
cheers
7g
as FSO Griff just said the queue starts way down there, however there are a few major differences in hour building compared with the UK.
Its easy (relatively) to get good complex SE time, the airspace is relatively unrestricted, and the aussies are a very good bunch when it comes to aviation (not too many wing-commander this and wing commanders that around).
Its fairly cheap in comparison to the UK, but bloody expensive if you want quality ME time and you are earning OZ pesos to pay for it, that in comparison to the GBP is often shocking.
The queue is long, and I mean very long, I don't know your circumstances, but a JAR ATPL and a few trips to the USA to build the hours will probably set you up well for the 'lines in the EU.
On the other hand, if you want to fly tailwheel, bush, andget exposure to some great flying, then OZ is pretty good, but if you are sacrificing the JAR ATPL for the lifestyle, then have a long ponder about the next 3-4 years.
As I said, I do not know your current job/finances, nor income, nor personal circumstances, if you are single, and work hard, and are prepared to go up north in OZ then you can make it, however if you have a well paid job in the UK, and can do the ATPL there, "buy" blocks in the US then you are better off financially.
To mitigate the risk of the class I down here, I would strongly suggest doing an initial JAA/JAR class I at gatwick before you come, you' still have to do an aussie class I , but that should be a matter of course if you have the JAR I
PM me if you want the low-down on costs living/casa conversion/medicals/sydney/etc
I won't recommend any school, nor any jobs, but I can tell you what I have experienced, and we are thinking of coming up north to earn some lucre to finance some USA Courses, that is of course if I can hold my patience at US Immigration
[edit: to correct 7gcbc's appaling comprehension, just saw IT on your profile, PM me I can DEFINITELY give you advice and info on that market]
cheers
7g
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Hi Jimmy,
The first question you need to ask yourself is were do you intend to work after your licence in Australia or UK.
IF you decide to come out to Australia, you can get a student visa pretty much straight away providing you find a school and they help you out with the paperwork, you can not work with the student visa.
The next easy part is parting with your hard earned cash, once you have your licence, unless you can get a permanent visa or business visa your option are very limited- have the student visa changed to a tourist visa or leave Australia.
Students that I know have tried everything to stay in Australia on completion of there licence, but have failed and gone back to UK and japan with a useless licence as caa do not recognise the casa licence but do let you use the hours gained
immigration have removed pilots from the skilled ocupation list , therfore can not use this to stay.
Other options are USA or stay in the UK and learn there.
Hope this helps.
If you have any other questions let me know
The first question you need to ask yourself is were do you intend to work after your licence in Australia or UK.
IF you decide to come out to Australia, you can get a student visa pretty much straight away providing you find a school and they help you out with the paperwork, you can not work with the student visa.
The next easy part is parting with your hard earned cash, once you have your licence, unless you can get a permanent visa or business visa your option are very limited- have the student visa changed to a tourist visa or leave Australia.
Students that I know have tried everything to stay in Australia on completion of there licence, but have failed and gone back to UK and japan with a useless licence as caa do not recognise the casa licence but do let you use the hours gained
immigration have removed pilots from the skilled ocupation list , therfore can not use this to stay.
Other options are USA or stay in the UK and learn there.
Hope this helps.
If you have any other questions let me know
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Jimmy,
Unfortunatly pilots have been (or are soon to be) taken off the skills list for residency if you are looking to stay long term. you can check out www.immi.gov.au for further ways of staying here longer-term.
The student visa required to stay here while you gain your CPL is easy to get once you enrol in a flying school.
There are other possibilities, feel free to PM me.
Unfortunatly pilots have been (or are soon to be) taken off the skills list for residency if you are looking to stay long term. you can check out www.immi.gov.au for further ways of staying here longer-term.
The student visa required to stay here while you gain your CPL is easy to get once you enrol in a flying school.
There are other possibilities, feel free to PM me.
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Jimmy.
I did just what you're contemplating though I had no intention of returning to Europe (but did). I've dual citizenship so could stay as long as I liked. If you can only get a limited visa you may be better off staying in the UK.
Lots and lots of people who get their Australian CPL/ATPL never actually get a job. It's a tough industry. I was lucky and gained a leg up courtesy of one of the few true gentlemen in aviation (thanks Chesty).
If you get a job you'll see and do things you'd never get elsewhere in the world but it'll be a long hard slog. You'll then have to face converting your licence when you come back to the UK.
Getting your licence and hours in Europe will see you with a better chance of that elusive airline job. On the other hand if you go to Oz you'll never forget it.
Drop me a line if you like.
I did just what you're contemplating though I had no intention of returning to Europe (but did). I've dual citizenship so could stay as long as I liked. If you can only get a limited visa you may be better off staying in the UK.
Lots and lots of people who get their Australian CPL/ATPL never actually get a job. It's a tough industry. I was lucky and gained a leg up courtesy of one of the few true gentlemen in aviation (thanks Chesty).
If you get a job you'll see and do things you'd never get elsewhere in the world but it'll be a long hard slog. You'll then have to face converting your licence when you come back to the UK.
Getting your licence and hours in Europe will see you with a better chance of that elusive airline job. On the other hand if you go to Oz you'll never forget it.
Drop me a line if you like.
