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CASA photo licences
Just a heads up on the photo license for current PPLs (or non-ATPLs) following on from previous posts.
At Avalon last weekend the CASA bloke I asked said that there are only 3-4 weeks left to submit your application before you will be charged for license.
He also said that the form would now be downloadable from the CASA website but I can't find it yet......
UTR.
At Avalon last weekend the CASA bloke I asked said that there are only 3-4 weeks left to submit your application before you will be charged for license.
He also said that the form would now be downloadable from the CASA website but I can't find it yet......
UTR.
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I spoke to CASA photo licencing in CB directly and the the following response:
Only initial licences are being processed at the moment ie. Student PL's, all others are in a box under the desk (including mine which has been there for well over a month). They have not charged for them yet because they couldn't under the old regulations and background police checks have not been done. Photo licences people have recieved already are merely a licence with a photo, no police checks done. Now that new regualtions are in place and background checks will be required for all licence holders by 31 Dec 05, they will start charging (which they can do under the new regs). Expect it to cost around $150. When they actually start charging up front is a matter of time, but all will be charged either up-front or retrospectively, even if you have already recieved your photo licence. If you have not had the background checks done, the new regulations allow them to suspend your licence until it has been done (this is not applicable for current ASIC holders). The new form the guy at CASA you spoke to is police background check form, the photo licence form remains the same. see here
All photo licences and background checks will be charged for whether you have applied before they ask for payment or not. Even if you have recieved your photo licence, you will be required to pay the fee or they will suspend your licence at 31 Dec 04.
I have spoken to several different people is CASA and they all give you a different response WRT charging. I don't think any of them actually know, however this was the respose I got directly from the photo licencing department, so I would believe this the most (unfortunatley)!
I don't know how they can charge retrospectively, but apparently they can (that is what they tell me).
I spoke to CASA photo licencing in CB directly and the the following response:
Only initial licences are being processed at the moment ie. Student PL's, all others are in a box under the desk (including mine which has been there for well over a month). They have not charged for them yet because they couldn't under the old regulations and background police checks have not been done. Photo licences people have recieved already are merely a licence with a photo, no police checks done. Now that new regualtions are in place and background checks will be required for all licence holders by 31 Dec 05, they will start charging (which they can do under the new regs). Expect it to cost around $150. When they actually start charging up front is a matter of time, but all will be charged either up-front or retrospectively, even if you have already recieved your photo licence. If you have not had the background checks done, the new regulations allow them to suspend your licence until it has been done (this is not applicable for current ASIC holders). The new form the guy at CASA you spoke to is police background check form, the photo licence form remains the same. see here
All photo licences and background checks will be charged for whether you have applied before they ask for payment or not. Even if you have recieved your photo licence, you will be required to pay the fee or they will suspend your licence at 31 Dec 04.
I have spoken to several different people is CASA and they all give you a different response WRT charging. I don't think any of them actually know, however this was the respose I got directly from the photo licencing department, so I would believe this the most (unfortunatley)!
I don't know how they can charge retrospectively, but apparently they can (that is what they tell me).
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i think you will find if they try to charge your for something they have already sent you then it will become a huge fair trading issue.
Government department or not they are not immune from the law. In order to charge for something you have to follow the forms ie "how much for that apple? 50cents sir. Ok thanks Ill take it"
Not "How much for that apple? Its free at the moment sir. Ok thanks I'll take it. Oh by the way sir the price has just gone up to 50cents and even though you have already eaten it I will now have to charge you"
Sorry for the bad grammar by the way but I am sure you get my point. If you want to charge someone for something then you have to make them aware of the costs before a commitment is made. It is then up to the customer to either agree to the cost and buy the item or disagree and go without.
Government department or not they are not immune from the law. In order to charge for something you have to follow the forms ie "how much for that apple? 50cents sir. Ok thanks Ill take it"
Not "How much for that apple? Its free at the moment sir. Ok thanks I'll take it. Oh by the way sir the price has just gone up to 50cents and even though you have already eaten it I will now have to charge you"
Sorry for the bad grammar by the way but I am sure you get my point. If you want to charge someone for something then you have to make them aware of the costs before a commitment is made. It is then up to the customer to either agree to the cost and buy the item or disagree and go without.
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On the APPLICATION FOR AVIATION SECURITY STATUS CHECK form
it has
and the 'correct fee' is ? 
and why do they want applicants to disclose if they have or had any charges/convictions/penalties ??
Isn't that the purpose of the check ?
Seems to me that they don't know and want us to help them get their records straight.
I like the AFP disclaimer on page-2.
it has
6. The application will not be processed unless you have paid the correct fee to CASA.
and why do they want applicants to disclose if they have or had any charges/convictions/penalties ??
Isn't that the purpose of the check ?
Seems to me that they don't know and want us to help them get their records straight.
I like the AFP disclaimer on page-2.
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Photo Licence Cost
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I belive that the current CASA admin cost for procesing a licence is $22 (or there abouts). The other charges will come later and are not for CASA admin costs but for the AFP (Aust. Federal Police)background checks.
If the current numbers mentiond in this post are added up it comes to :
$22 CASA admin fee +
$150 Background check (AFP) =
$172
I belive (from the same CASA changing answers) that the actual cost of the AFP check will depend on the amount of DIGGING required to confirm the identity and accuracy of the information provided. So BBong be carefull in not completing the form or giving all the info as it may $ cost you.
I was recently told by a very trustworth source that you WILL be charged the fee regardless of the date of application, as has been described earlier in this thread. The applications received to date have not been assessed by AFP and only Student and OS applications are bieng done at the moment.
A friend pointed out that he was going to wait, as by his reconing CASA will get around to sending letters to CPL holders with very late alphabetical surnames by 2007 or 2008. meanwhile he can hold onto his dollars and hope that someone will see sence and F*%$#k of this charge.
PS.. The ASIC vs Photo licence thing has apparently raised its head again, with AFP asking why duplication of the process is required. Maybe some CDF is going to be shown.
And I still have not seen an inrease in the cost of ASIC yet even though the same background check is required??.
I started the application, same as many others did, but withdrew it. I will just wait and hold my money untill I have to pay it.
Richo
I belive that the current CASA admin cost for procesing a licence is $22 (or there abouts). The other charges will come later and are not for CASA admin costs but for the AFP (Aust. Federal Police)background checks.
If the current numbers mentiond in this post are added up it comes to :
$22 CASA admin fee +
$150 Background check (AFP) =
$172
I belive (from the same CASA changing answers) that the actual cost of the AFP check will depend on the amount of DIGGING required to confirm the identity and accuracy of the information provided. So BBong be carefull in not completing the form or giving all the info as it may $ cost you.
I was recently told by a very trustworth source that you WILL be charged the fee regardless of the date of application, as has been described earlier in this thread. The applications received to date have not been assessed by AFP and only Student and OS applications are bieng done at the moment.
A friend pointed out that he was going to wait, as by his reconing CASA will get around to sending letters to CPL holders with very late alphabetical surnames by 2007 or 2008. meanwhile he can hold onto his dollars and hope that someone will see sence and F*%$#k of this charge.
PS.. The ASIC vs Photo licence thing has apparently raised its head again, with AFP asking why duplication of the process is required. Maybe some CDF is going to be shown.
And I still have not seen an inrease in the cost of ASIC yet even though the same background check is required??.
I started the application, same as many others did, but withdrew it. I will just wait and hold my money untill I have to pay it.
Richo
An Update
CASA can't charge fees at the moment as the fees weren't included in the Regs. Forms were prepared in anticipation.
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
CASA currently can't charge for anything to do with Photo ID or background checks as there is no legislation to currently allow them to do it (SNAFU).
However, an amendment is being rushed through in the next week or so to introduce charges.
The legislation cannot be retrospective for charges. So if your application is sitting in front of them in Canberra, they cannot charge whether it is for a full Photo ID and all checks, or just for the AFP Check (for those who already have a Photo ID issued since July 2004).
For the latest on photo licences (and they have changed the title) see http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/photo/index.htm
There are changes affecting persons under 18 and holders of current ASIC cards.
Extract below from CASA website for others:
Application forms
During the next two weeks, applicants wanting a new flight crew licence (note this does not include the reprinting of an existing licence) are required to fill in an application form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/fcl/form639.pdf and a criminal records check - consent form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regu...policecheck.pdf
Changes to requirements
Starting 10 March 2005, CASA may only issue a flight crew licence or special pilot licence if the applicant meets the requirements in the new regulations. If you have applied for a flight crew licence or special pilot licence recently and you have not been issued with the licence, you should complete the criminal records check - consent form. http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regu...policecheck.pdf
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
There is supposed to be an electronic application form coming out to assist in completing details online and then print out for use.
CASA can't charge fees at the moment as the fees weren't included in the Regs. Forms were prepared in anticipation.
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
CASA currently can't charge for anything to do with Photo ID or background checks as there is no legislation to currently allow them to do it (SNAFU).
However, an amendment is being rushed through in the next week or so to introduce charges.
The legislation cannot be retrospective for charges. So if your application is sitting in front of them in Canberra, they cannot charge whether it is for a full Photo ID and all checks, or just for the AFP Check (for those who already have a Photo ID issued since July 2004).
For the latest on photo licences (and they have changed the title) see http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/photo/index.htm
There are changes affecting persons under 18 and holders of current ASIC cards.
Extract below from CASA website for others:
Application forms
During the next two weeks, applicants wanting a new flight crew licence (note this does not include the reprinting of an existing licence) are required to fill in an application form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/fcl/form639.pdf and a criminal records check - consent form http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regu...policecheck.pdf
Changes to requirements
Starting 10 March 2005, CASA may only issue a flight crew licence or special pilot licence if the applicant meets the requirements in the new regulations. If you have applied for a flight crew licence or special pilot licence recently and you have not been issued with the licence, you should complete the criminal records check - consent form. http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regu...policecheck.pdf
Still apply for your Photo ID now to avoid the charges. If you have a Photo ID apply for the Police check now. When the AFP Police check fee comes in it will be around $35+
There is supposed to be an electronic application form coming out to assist in completing details online and then print out for use.
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Any more news??
I called YSCB and they told me more info to be given in 3 weeks time.
Perhaps once you get a the new formatted pilots licence, the security checks may not be required when getting the Oz- wide ASICard.
Why would they do another check again? Is it for quality control or to raise more money?
I called YSCB and they told me more info to be given in 3 weeks time.
Perhaps once you get a the new formatted pilots licence, the security checks may not be required when getting the Oz- wide ASICard.
Why would they do another check again? Is it for quality control or to raise more money?
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6 weeks on....
did my flight test end of feb
submitted all the doco the next day
it took over 21 days for it to reach canberra from melbourne, but apparently the bottleneck is in the ACT?!
anyway week 6 & still nothing
good system that
submitted all the doco the next day
it took over 21 days for it to reach canberra from melbourne, but apparently the bottleneck is in the ACT?!
anyway week 6 & still nothing
good system that
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in the Mail
Recived a letter from DOTARS today in the mail. It contained two glossy brochures explaining the ASIC / Photo Licence and Security issues.
I Suppose you will all get one shortly, but of interest I note that ASIC cards are valid for two years and Photo licenecs are valid for 5.
If you apply for ASIC within two years of Photo Licence issue it will be granted without police (ASIO) check, for up to the two year period of the photo licence. No words about if you already have ASIC, I mean if you renew one each two years, why do I ever need to renew my photo licence. I would have thought if one is good for the other, why not the other way round as well.
Also of intrest is that it is OK acording to the brochure to lock your aircraft with a padlock to a suitable (?) tie down point. Sounds like the cheapest option to me, if you have a suitable (?) tie down point handy.
Richo
I Suppose you will all get one shortly, but of interest I note that ASIC cards are valid for two years and Photo licenecs are valid for 5.
If you apply for ASIC within two years of Photo Licence issue it will be granted without police (ASIO) check, for up to the two year period of the photo licence. No words about if you already have ASIC, I mean if you renew one each two years, why do I ever need to renew my photo licence. I would have thought if one is good for the other, why not the other way round as well.
Also of intrest is that it is OK acording to the brochure to lock your aircraft with a padlock to a suitable (?) tie down point. Sounds like the cheapest option to me, if you have a suitable (?) tie down point handy.
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huh ????
and why do they want applicants to disclose if they have or had any charges/convictions/penalties ??
Are these guys from CASA for real ?....... since we are paying them, why dont they check it themselves ?
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BRAVE NEW WORLD
Welcome to the brave new world, folks of big brother CASA and all the other beauracratic depts.
I have been posting like others for months on this topic and I am angry that we are incurring more unnecessary costs. Costs that should be borne by the community, why?
...............................because terrorism and security is a society problem, NOT just a pilot issue. I'd like to know how many terrorists there are amongst the GA pilot fraternity but I think I know the answer.
Look if they want to check me out, let em go right ahead, I just object to being forced to pay for it all if I want to maintain my licence.
On top of that, all the time and effort to fillout forms, get photos, provide documentary evidence etc. It is just a lot of bloody nonesense.
The frustrating thing is there is not a damn thing we can do about it, it is now L......A......W. law!
As for why they want to know your traffic convictions etc. my guess is they could possibly deny issue of a licence if there is any criminality involved.
I have been posting like others for months on this topic and I am angry that we are incurring more unnecessary costs. Costs that should be borne by the community, why?
...............................because terrorism and security is a society problem, NOT just a pilot issue. I'd like to know how many terrorists there are amongst the GA pilot fraternity but I think I know the answer.
Look if they want to check me out, let em go right ahead, I just object to being forced to pay for it all if I want to maintain my licence.
On top of that, all the time and effort to fillout forms, get photos, provide documentary evidence etc. It is just a lot of bloody nonesense.
The frustrating thing is there is not a damn thing we can do about it, it is now L......A......W. law!
As for why they want to know your traffic convictions etc. my guess is they could possibly deny issue of a licence if there is any criminality involved.
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What is the deal for pilot's looking at getting their PPL (but have old non-photo licences)? Do they need a Photo SPL before they sit the test? How long will it take for the licence to actually come?
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found out yesterday why my licence Issue has taken soooooo fukin long! still havent got it yet, been over 120 days now,
even though i have held an ASIC for the past 11 yrs, whats holding them up is my...................... Firearms licence!
FCUK I HATE THIS ****!
even though i have held an ASIC for the past 11 yrs, whats holding them up is my...................... Firearms licence!
FCUK I HATE THIS ****!
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Typical, bloody typical. Ultralights, don't you feel so much safer now? I tend to think no-one will be knocked back however come any incident the suspects antecedents will be flung out like a red carpet
A Sydney man was questioned today by members of the prime ministers special task force. Charges are yet to be laid however it is understood that the man, James al Ultralights had applied for a gun licence in 1994. The fact that this man was allowed to own firearms is expected to raise several serious questions.
A Sydney man was questioned today by members of the prime ministers special task force. Charges are yet to be laid however it is understood that the man, James al Ultralights had applied for a gun licence in 1994. The fact that this man was allowed to own firearms is expected to raise several serious questions.