DVD from CASA
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DVD from CASA
For us beginners, not a bad DVD on how not to bust controlled airspace.
However I don't think a certain CFI should quit his day job for the movies just yet.
Of course all you skygods never infringe do you?
Thank you CASA!
However I don't think a certain CFI should quit his day job for the movies just yet.
Of course all you skygods never infringe do you?
Thank you CASA!
I was wondering just the other day about what happened to the guy from Beyond 2000........
I'm not sure who exactly the DVD is aimed at but, as someone who regularly files in and out of at least 4 of those areas, it's nothing more than that which I didn't already know and would be expected to know before doing so.
Perhaps a section on transiting Class C airspace would be more beneficial, say a flight thread from Sydney to Cairns entirely in CTA instead of taking the softest option and "suggesting" that pilots plan around CTA.
I'm not sure who exactly the DVD is aimed at but, as someone who regularly files in and out of at least 4 of those areas, it's nothing more than that which I didn't already know and would be expected to know before doing so.
Perhaps a section on transiting Class C airspace would be more beneficial, say a flight thread from Sydney to Cairns entirely in CTA instead of taking the softest option and "suggesting" that pilots plan around CTA.
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The thing I think is most strange is that CASA is passing this DVD around now after the NAS changes so some of the things they talk to you about are no longer valid.
Like reporting in VFR lanes on area frequency which is one of the things they dont seem to want you to do anymore so the radio time can be freed up for IFR etc.
But apart from that I have found it quite useful as a relatively new pilot who is planning on flying out of my Bankstown comfort zone and into Archerfield, Moorabin and Launceston all sometime in the next few months. It will definitely help to be able to watch the DVD just before the flight to know what landmarks I am looking for, where the reporting points are and what traps to be careful of before I bust into airspace.
Like reporting in VFR lanes on area frequency which is one of the things they dont seem to want you to do anymore so the radio time can be freed up for IFR etc.
But apart from that I have found it quite useful as a relatively new pilot who is planning on flying out of my Bankstown comfort zone and into Archerfield, Moorabin and Launceston all sometime in the next few months. It will definitely help to be able to watch the DVD just before the flight to know what landmarks I am looking for, where the reporting points are and what traps to be careful of before I bust into airspace.
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DVDs are burned not pressed.
But, since there are 35,000 or so active pilots and the cost difference could have been in excess of $5 per CD, how else would you have a govt department spend your $$$$
Besides, it was probably contracted and then sub-contracted. Aint CASA's fault.
But, since there are 35,000 or so active pilots and the cost difference could have been in excess of $5 per CD, how else would you have a govt department spend your $$$$
Besides, it was probably contracted and then sub-contracted. Aint CASA's fault.
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there is only 3 dvd/cd/disc manufacturing plants in OZ, all owned by the one company. (which is equally owned by Warner music, EMI, SONY, BMG, Universal and Capitol records) i have their contract! EVERY cd/ dvd made in OZ goes through me! CASA never showed up on the schedule, for manufacture, or shipping.
CASA would have made the content, approved it, sent it via me, to the plant, a test run would be PRESSED! then sent via me, back to casa, to be approved and tested. once approved, then artwork is printed/approved. only then do they go into Manufacture!
all Music CD's/DVD's are pressed from a master made from GLASS!! or for small runs of 1000 to 10000 units, they are pressed from a steel master. run less than 1000 are usually burnt, but not in the same way as your computer would burn the disc.
its the nickle film inside the disc that gets stamped (or burnt) then the polycarbonate layers are manufactured over the nickle film.
the Music/Film industry doesn NOT contract out! they have a hard enough time already as it is with piracy!
CASA never showed up on the schedule, for manufacture, or shipping.CASA would have made the content, approved it, sent it via me, to the plant, a test run would be PRESSED! then sent via me, back to casa, to be approved and tested. once approved, then artwork is printed/approved. only then do they go into Manufacture!
all Music CD's/DVD's are pressed from a master made from GLASS!! or for small runs of 1000 to 10000 units, they are pressed from a steel master. run less than 1000 are usually burnt, but not in the same way as your computer would burn the disc.
its the nickle film inside the disc that gets stamped (or burnt) then the polycarbonate layers are manufactured over the nickle film.
the Music/Film industry doesn NOT contract out! they have a hard enough time already as it is with piracy!
Ultralights
Not the ones I make.
Full marks to CASA for an excellent product but they should hang their heads in shame for producing a CD/DVD which is already out of date and cannot be amended! These things are time bombs because in 12 months time someone will use the information which will by then be very wrong. I know there is a disclaimer but please, I still see the odd copy of the original orange VFG in peoples bags!!!
CASA should have talked to Airservices Australia (remember when they were one and knew each other existed?) who elected for web based delivery of FLYING AROUND so that it can easily be updated and amended. CASA have produced what will be coasters in 12 months when for a small fraction of the production costs could have loaded it on to their website!!
They dropped the ball again. An excellent idea spoilt by bad execution.
EVERY cd/ dvd made in OZ goes through me!
Full marks to CASA for an excellent product but they should hang their heads in shame for producing a CD/DVD which is already out of date and cannot be amended! These things are time bombs because in 12 months time someone will use the information which will by then be very wrong. I know there is a disclaimer but please, I still see the odd copy of the original orange VFG in peoples bags!!!
CASA should have talked to Airservices Australia (remember when they were one and knew each other existed?) who elected for web based delivery of FLYING AROUND so that it can easily be updated and amended. CASA have produced what will be coasters in 12 months when for a small fraction of the production costs could have loaded it on to their website!!
They dropped the ball again. An excellent idea spoilt by bad execution.
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Nitpicking already. The web is a great idea, however the DVD is fine. All that is required is a notice that things have changed and the DVD becomes a drink coaster.
As for the radio calls on the area frequency in the VFR lanes, or calls to Melb Radar this is something I've never (yet) done. However it sounds like a good idea.
Is it actually discouraged providing that there is little traffic on the frequency?
As for the radio calls on the area frequency in the VFR lanes, or calls to Melb Radar this is something I've never (yet) done. However it sounds like a good idea.
Is it actually discouraged providing that there is little traffic on the frequency?
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Of course they are nitpicking, Icarus can't help it. 
Seems ultralights has a monopoly, baad baad thing.
It is a gread DVD and the pics of airports will never be out of date because rule makers and electronics enthusiasts cant fiddle too much with geography.
Good one CASA!
Seems ultralights has a monopoly, baad baad thing.
It is a gread DVD and the pics of airports will never be out of date because rule makers and electronics enthusiasts cant fiddle too much with geography.
Good one CASA!
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[QUOTE]Full marks to CASA for an excellent product but they should hang their heads in shame for producing a CD/DVD which is already out of date and cannot be amended!
Must agree Icarus
I'd seen a version of the online but it only applied to 2 or 3 airports. When the disc arrived I was surprised it was already out of date. I guess geographical and man made features won't change and it's this part of the production which could be very handy.
In the Archerfield section it explaines and shows the difference between the Indooroopilly Bridge and the Centenary highway. One's for flights inbound ,the other out. I guess there has been confusion in the past with these landmarks and the sort of info that shows the pilot the diff between the 2 before he/she even departs is priceless.
Must agree Icarus
I'd seen a version of the online but it only applied to 2 or 3 airports. When the disc arrived I was surprised it was already out of date. I guess geographical and man made features won't change and it's this part of the production which could be very handy.
In the Archerfield section it explaines and shows the difference between the Indooroopilly Bridge and the Centenary highway. One's for flights inbound ,the other out. I guess there has been confusion in the past with these landmarks and the sort of info that shows the pilot the diff between the 2 before he/she even departs is priceless.
Nitpicking already. The web is a great idea, however the DVD is fine. All that is required is a notice that things have changed and the DVD becomes a drink coaster.
Alternator, sending out "another one" is expensive and CASA always cries poor. How much do you think it cost to produce and mail each CD? Now how much to put the data on a web site?
Even at $5 per CD and say 20,000 copies that is $100,000! Now how much to have it sitting on a web server somewhere? Run an advertisement in their own in house magazine Flight Safety Australia and you have saved real money. OUR MONEY.
Of course the geography does not change but the choice of features used as tracking points does and so does the level and position of C airspace. Which is the whole point of the exercise in the first place!
Again I say, well done, great product, poor choice of delivery method.
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Obviously you live in an area with ready availability of ADSL or similar broadband. Pilots in these areas are pretty familiar with local procedures and usually with ATC and controoled airspace.
Now what about the other 50% of Australian pilots with access to only 28.8 KBS or worse. Would you have them download a DVD from a system where the line drops out every 30 minutes???
J-Curve thinking, very narrow minded. DVD is the way to go.
Obviously you live in an area with ready availability of ADSL or similar broadband. Pilots in these areas are pretty familiar with local procedures and usually with ATC and controoled airspace.
Now what about the other 50% of Australian pilots with access to only 28.8 KBS or worse. Would you have them download a DVD from a system where the line drops out every 30 minutes???
J-Curve thinking, very narrow minded. DVD is the way to go.
Obviously you live in an area with ready availability of ADSL or similar broadband
Pilots in these areas are pretty familiar with local procedures and usually with ATC and controoled airspace.
Would you have them download a DVD from a system where the line drops out every 30 minutes???
J-Curve thinking, very narrow minded.
DVD is the way to go.
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I also think it's a great initiative, very well produced and a style of delivering the information that isn't overwhelming (or patronising) to the average pilot.
Yes, there is a currency issue, but overall I found it quite informative. Of course, watching the section on my local area was pretty uninteresting (been there, done that), but looking at some unfamiliar areas was a real eye opener and I'm sorely tempted to dust off the old licence and get current again.
One question though - where is this mystical place called Wedgefield? There are quite a few shots/animations showing aircraft flying around what appears to be a Class D control zone with this name.
-WW
Yes, there is a currency issue, but overall I found it quite informative. Of course, watching the section on my local area was pretty uninteresting (been there, done that), but looking at some unfamiliar areas was a real eye opener and I'm sorely tempted to dust off the old licence and get current again.
One question though - where is this mystical place called Wedgefield? There are quite a few shots/animations showing aircraft flying around what appears to be a Class D control zone with this name.
-WW
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Not all pilots out there have Internet access! so for them a dvd is a good idea. even with regular updates. a DVD is also a good idea for viewing at a flying school! as long as the CFI/Instructor ensures its valididty.
those that do, make the dvd and other files available from the website using your ARN for access.
dvd files can be compressed for download from the web if broadband connection isnt available.
those that do, make the dvd and other files available from the website using your ARN for access.
dvd files can be compressed for download from the web if broadband connection isnt available.
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Icarus,
How on earth would YOU get 4 hours of high quality video on someones server and honestly expect the average punter to download it. It would take nearly 12 months for most. Sheesh.
Do you really think CASA and Airservices didn't talk to each other about the project (considering there is AsA people on the DVD) before producing it?
I have a friend close to the action over there and they said that AsA even kicked in a significant amount to ensure the DVD/CD-Rom was distributed to all who need it.
It took nearly 12 months to produce too, so give them a break... How much has changed airspace-wise in 12 months.
I wish I had it back when I was learning to fly. The instructors must be happy.
TBT
How on earth would YOU get 4 hours of high quality video on someones server and honestly expect the average punter to download it. It would take nearly 12 months for most. Sheesh.
Do you really think CASA and Airservices didn't talk to each other about the project (considering there is AsA people on the DVD) before producing it?
I have a friend close to the action over there and they said that AsA even kicked in a significant amount to ensure the DVD/CD-Rom was distributed to all who need it.
It took nearly 12 months to produce too, so give them a break... How much has changed airspace-wise in 12 months.
I wish I had it back when I was learning to fly. The instructors must be happy.
TBT