............Doing Hard Time...............
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............Doing Hard Time...............
In Airline speak what is "chicken leg time" we all know in instructor circles chicken leg time is when you get to eat the stale produce from your job at Kentucy Fried, (the job you have to survive while your working for nothing).
Does the second officer log time even though he might not even get in the right seat? How much time does the first officer log? would they log ICUS if the Capitain goes to the loo? is it just a logfest even if George is doing most of the flying does everybody get to write time down?
Does the second officer log time even though he might not even get in the right seat? How much time does the first officer log? would they log ICUS if the Capitain goes to the loo? is it just a logfest even if George is doing most of the flying does everybody get to write time down?
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Cecil,
I think you need to go out and log a fair bit more time before you need to worry about that, and try to break out of the circuit one day.
(If) by the time you are on one of those bad boys, logging of flight time won't be you biggest concern, so stop worrying about other people. It is not a race.
I think you need to go out and log a fair bit more time before you need to worry about that, and try to break out of the circuit one day.
(If) by the time you are on one of those bad boys, logging of flight time won't be you biggest concern, so stop worrying about other people. It is not a race.
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..................SsaKcaj, back seat boy?
I'm quite happy with the time I'm logging SsaKcaj, I heard the term "Chicken leg" time recently in an Airline context and I was wondering what it is.
To what race do you refer? In 10 years flying on international stuff a FO could have logged 6,000 hours and only actually had his hands on the yoke (as opposed to the stick like you) for a couple of hundred hours, it sort of seems like logging time sitting in the back seat of a 182. The tone of your reply would suggest you log a bit of "back seat" time?
To what race do you refer? In 10 years flying on international stuff a FO could have logged 6,000 hours and only actually had his hands on the yoke (as opposed to the stick like you) for a couple of hundred hours, it sort of seems like logging time sitting in the back seat of a 182. The tone of your reply would suggest you log a bit of "back seat" time?
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BTW where you pick up the term "George"? The RSL?
Super Cecil, the only thing I've ever heard of related to chickens in aviation is "chicken lever", a common term applicable to Garrett-engined aircraft.
Though Mrs. Jarse's cousin is affectionately known as "Chooklegs"
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After consultation with CASA
Captain's sector - F/O and however many S/Os there may be all log the entire flight, chock to chock, whether they were in the bunk or not, as co-pilot time.
F/Os sector - Capt obviously still logs Command, F/O ICUS and S/Os (if carried) co-pilot.
S/Os are limited to logging co-pilot by the nature of their instrument rating and endorsement.
As for instrument time, provided the total time logged is less than the total time spent in IMC, I think everyone can get away with logging a bit. The CAOs allow for logging inflight I/f while manipulating the flight path of the aeroplane through the autopilot btw.
Captain's sector - F/O and however many S/Os there may be all log the entire flight, chock to chock, whether they were in the bunk or not, as co-pilot time.
F/Os sector - Capt obviously still logs Command, F/O ICUS and S/Os (if carried) co-pilot.
S/Os are limited to logging co-pilot by the nature of their instrument rating and endorsement.
As for instrument time, provided the total time logged is less than the total time spent in IMC, I think everyone can get away with logging a bit. The CAOs allow for logging inflight I/f while manipulating the flight path of the aeroplane through the autopilot btw.
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Cec,
I am not an SO or FO, so no back time seat is ever logged.
My reference to the 'race' is that you seem to be so worried that others are logging time when they are not in the seat. You seem to be in a race to log your hours and think it is unfair that others are logging more flight time in the bunk than you are in total.
So are you worried that co-pilots are logging time when it is their sector as PNF; they never (usually) touch the controls/autopilot either.
I am not an SO or FO, so no back time seat is ever logged.
My reference to the 'race' is that you seem to be so worried that others are logging time when they are not in the seat. You seem to be in a race to log your hours and think it is unfair that others are logging more flight time in the bunk than you are in total.
So are you worried that co-pilots are logging time when it is their sector as PNF; they never (usually) touch the controls/autopilot either.
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I log just over 900 hours a year as co-pilot and don't fly at all!
It's world's best practice
As DirectAnywhere has said, everyone logs the entire flight. Cpt logs Command, FO logs co-pilot or ICUS, and SO logs co-pilot time. Generally the sector PF logs some IF time as well, although it's really a bit arbitary.
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It's world's best practice
As DirectAnywhere has said, everyone logs the entire flight. Cpt logs Command, FO logs co-pilot or ICUS, and SO logs co-pilot time. Generally the sector PF logs some IF time as well, although it's really a bit arbitary.
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.............Ssakcrag..Justifies?
As I said boys, I'm happy with my hours logged and are doing enough flying to keep me happy. SsaKcaj, you boys can log all you like, if you feel like logging the car time to the airport go right ahead.
So I take it nobody knows what the term "chickenleg time" is?
I should add that I\'m up to 107.6 hours now and .2 of that\'s solo time. As soon as I can get an instructor to go with me again I\'ll be clocking up the hours to compete.
So I take it nobody knows what the term "chickenleg time" is?
I should add that I\'m up to 107.6 hours now and .2 of that\'s solo time. As soon as I can get an instructor to go with me again I\'ll be clocking up the hours to compete.
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Nah Cec, never heard of it, mate.
Chicken!!!!, cock 'n bull, lame duck...but not chickenleg.
But chicken legs are nice from KFC with a smothering of gravy, and strips of bacon on the odd occasion, esp. for instructors doing it for lurve!!
Be careful out there, Cec!!
Chicken!!!!, cock 'n bull, lame duck...but not chickenleg.
But chicken legs are nice from KFC with a smothering of gravy, and strips of bacon on the odd occasion, esp. for instructors doing it for lurve!!
Be careful out there, Cec!!
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Cec,
Mate, I don't need to log anything from the car, my 6-700hrs per year [All] from the Left seat keep me busy enough.
BTW, you will need to work on that command time chump. Shouldn't you have been solo a few more times than once with 107hrs TT!!!, quick look back at my log book said i had about 40hrs command then.
It is command hours you'll be needing to "compete", NOT Dual. 
Mate, I don't need to log anything from the car, my 6-700hrs per year [All] from the Left seat keep me busy enough.
BTW, you will need to work on that command time chump. Shouldn't you have been solo a few more times than once with 107hrs TT!!!, quick look back at my log book said i had about 40hrs command then.
As soon as I can get an instructor to go with me again I\'ll be clocking up the hours to compete.
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Ya barking up the wrong tree there, Kap...
Or am I imagining things......
Anyway the chicken-leg time you are referring to, Cecil, is the number of years (not hours) you go in your career where the only three words you ever hear the hosties mutter to you is:
"Chicken or Beef???"
Or am I imagining things......
Anyway the chicken-leg time you are referring to, Cecil, is the number of years (not hours) you go in your career where the only three words you ever hear the hosties mutter to you is:
"Chicken or Beef???"
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Thanks one ball or should that be Mr Stag?, I watched an interview lately with a pilot from an international airline and he mentioned the term. His talk was about the joys of flying, after something like 25 years in the game he still enjoyed flying both big stuff and building and flying lighter machines. It's good to see somebody still enthused in aviation after that amount of time.
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...................tinpiss=worry wart
Tinpiss said
"Cec why the fuss about "hand" flying?
Big hairyplanes dont need much hands we done that ter death.
BTW where you pick up the term "George"? The RSL?"
Tinitus, the George to which I refer is Captain George Stephens, still on international routes I believe. You with all your expirence in all matters Airline you would no doubt know him?
"Cec why the fuss about "hand" flying?
Big hairyplanes dont need much hands we done that ter death.
BTW where you pick up the term "George"? The RSL?"
Tinitus, the George to which I refer is Captain George Stephens, still on international routes I believe. You with all your expirence in all matters Airline you would no doubt know him?
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Oh Dear Cecil,
I think you wil find tinpis is correct.
to prove it:
Isn't it a shame, you think you know so much.
But you don't
I think you wil find tinpis is correct.
to prove it:
When autopilots first became available, there happened to be a saying, "Let George do it", which was part of a wartime poster that said, basically, that you couldn't do that- you had to do it yourself, or no one would do it. The "Let George do it" attitude was something to be stamped out during the WWII war years, you see...The autopilot was the only "George", or "the other guy", that you could legitimately delegate to. Thus, using the autopilot became "letting George do it".
But you don't