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"1977 disgruntled employee crashed a Baron into Connellan hangar in AS killing Roger Conellan and 2 others."
Colin was a past student of mine - there is a lot more to his story than just a "disgruntled employee".
No, I don't condone his actions, but neither do I agree with the taunts, ridicule, and discrimination he was subjected to, that pushed him to do it.
Sad, very sad.
Colin was a past student of mine - there is a lot more to his story than just a "disgruntled employee".
No, I don't condone his actions, but neither do I agree with the taunts, ridicule, and discrimination he was subjected to, that pushed him to do it.
Sad, very sad.
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Not that I approve of the ordering of anyone to do anything of the sort, but encoraging the insurance companies to offer discounts for appropriately fitted equipment may be a start. The only thing I used to have to protect the plane from was the cows and sheep.....
It was merely chatter around a few friends of mine, but we concluded it wont be long before aircraft will be required to have immobilisers and theft tracking devices similar to those in the automotive industry for a number of years. No doubt the current reaction by the transport authority was cheaper than ordering enmasse fitting of engine immobilising equipment.
Gawd there was one point there I wasnt able to re register my old Honda until I could prove it had an immobiliser fitted.
It was merely chatter around a few friends of mine, but we concluded it wont be long before aircraft will be required to have immobilisers and theft tracking devices similar to those in the automotive industry for a number of years. No doubt the current reaction by the transport authority was cheaper than ordering enmasse fitting of engine immobilising equipment.
Gawd there was one point there I wasnt able to re register my old Honda until I could prove it had an immobiliser fitted.
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Kaptin M, The story I heard from someone who also knew Colin, was he was a bit of a strange chap, along with being an extreemly religious chap, and that was the basis of the tuanting he had to endure. It was also reported that he was singing "rock of ages" on the radio on the way in.
Was that your recolection of the fellow?.
Sad way to end it all.
Was that your recolection of the fellow?.
Sad way to end it all.
How many airliners / regional aircraft have locks, and are secured overnight?
Have we stopped small vehicles from entering the CBD?
Ships from entering the harbour?
Where do you draw the line. At what stage do we just get on with living.
GA is an easy (and news worthy target) for politicans. They need to be seen doing something. W@nkers!
Have we stopped small vehicles from entering the CBD?
Ships from entering the harbour?
Where do you draw the line. At what stage do we just get on with living.
GA is an easy (and news worthy target) for politicans. They need to be seen doing something. W@nkers!
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firstly whats a 152 going to do to the harbour bridge (f**k all), secondly if the guy with the funny accent and the big trucking gun asks for your 210 (makes a little bit bigger ding in the bridge) id advise to give it to him. finnally if you dont happen to be around and the guy with the big trucking gun wants your plane he might even invest in an angle grinder
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An interesting point you raise. If they intend to enforce this patently unsound legislation they will need a "man on the ground" actually checking aircraft at regional airports!
Given that CASA staff find it difficult to drag themselves out of their offices as they are sooooo busy it clearly will not be their job. So who will do it?
A piece of legislation that cannot be enforced is a poorly constructed object of derision. Look at some of the rules that are ignored every day and one even attempts to enforce them. How many aircraft at Bankstown, Archerfield or Jandakot start their engines almost in the hangar or on top of another aircraft? Earthing points, line up by 500 metres from perimeter of airport etc etc
The person who presumably must check these locks & security items would also need some legal authority to enter an aircraft if it was parked with sun screens up and locked. A lawyers dream don't you think.
Mr Dotars: Unlock your aircraft and show me your security lock.
Mr AOP: No I am busy.
Mr Dotars: Pretty please...
Mr AOP: Go away.
Might be cheaper though than paying fines for non compliance with legislation. Geeesus H C! give me a break.
Given that CASA staff find it difficult to drag themselves out of their offices as they are sooooo busy it clearly will not be their job. So who will do it?
A piece of legislation that cannot be enforced is a poorly constructed object of derision. Look at some of the rules that are ignored every day and one even attempts to enforce them. How many aircraft at Bankstown, Archerfield or Jandakot start their engines almost in the hangar or on top of another aircraft? Earthing points, line up by 500 metres from perimeter of airport etc etc
The person who presumably must check these locks & security items would also need some legal authority to enter an aircraft if it was parked with sun screens up and locked. A lawyers dream don't you think.
Mr Dotars: Unlock your aircraft and show me your security lock.
Mr AOP: No I am busy.
Mr Dotars: Pretty please...
Mr AOP: Go away.
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G'day Icarus,
I agree that there are far greater risks to life and limb than the humble GA aircraft ie the truck loaded with a couple of hundred kilos of ANFO (what are DOTARS doing about road transport security?). Also agree that the legislation may well be poorly constructed. However as Currawong said earlier, until now we have largely been relying on goodwill for the security of our aircraft and unfortunately times are changing and the good ol days people treating aircraft as some sort of sacred cows not to be touched by anyone unauthorised to do so, are well and truly gone.
Agree also that no amount of chains, padlocks, control locks, locked hangarage etc is going to stop a determined thief from stealing and aircraft and perhaps using it for some deadly purpose. However, if the ease at which the aircraft can be accessed and/or taken is removed then surely the risk has been lessened.
As an owner/operator of 6 aircraft plus being involved in the management of another 4, meeting these requirements is going to hit my back pocket a lot harder than many of the others having a good old whinge about this. But at the same time, should the unthinkable occur and one of our planes is nicked, I would rather then news report read something along the lines of "The alleged offender broke off the approved locking devices" rather than "Got into and flew away in an aeroplane that was unlocked"
I don't have too much info on specific history of aircraft thefts apart from the Baron mentioned here and 337 stolen from out Kalgoorlie way about a year or so ago. Just perhaps these measures might also stop or lessen these types of incidents occurring as well.
I agree that there are far greater risks to life and limb than the humble GA aircraft ie the truck loaded with a couple of hundred kilos of ANFO (what are DOTARS doing about road transport security?). Also agree that the legislation may well be poorly constructed. However as Currawong said earlier, until now we have largely been relying on goodwill for the security of our aircraft and unfortunately times are changing and the good ol days people treating aircraft as some sort of sacred cows not to be touched by anyone unauthorised to do so, are well and truly gone.
Agree also that no amount of chains, padlocks, control locks, locked hangarage etc is going to stop a determined thief from stealing and aircraft and perhaps using it for some deadly purpose. However, if the ease at which the aircraft can be accessed and/or taken is removed then surely the risk has been lessened.
As an owner/operator of 6 aircraft plus being involved in the management of another 4, meeting these requirements is going to hit my back pocket a lot harder than many of the others having a good old whinge about this. But at the same time, should the unthinkable occur and one of our planes is nicked, I would rather then news report read something along the lines of "The alleged offender broke off the approved locking devices" rather than "Got into and flew away in an aeroplane that was unlocked"
I don't have too much info on specific history of aircraft thefts apart from the Baron mentioned here and 337 stolen from out Kalgoorlie way about a year or so ago. Just perhaps these measures might also stop or lessen these types of incidents occurring as well.
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And then there's a close friend of mine in Perth, gave up buying new Porsche Carerras, because despite the very latest in keyless entry, kick ass fandangle electronic ignition AND fuel pump immobilisers designed by Einstein installed under the driver seat AND only accesable by taking the drivers seat out AND parked in a locked garage behind a steel fence with aircraft carrier size anchor chain and padlock on it as well as the usual hydraulic locks, he was still getting rung in the middle of the night by the cops telling him his car was now in the pound after the latest chase, asking him did he know it was stolen yet or seeing a photo of it wrecked on the front page of the Morning Vomit.
He might as well have left the keys in the ignition and saved the entry damage.
I even got to look after it occasionally when he went away
Three times, then he gave it away.
The gentleman responsible is, last I heard, a guest of Her Majesty whilst negotiating an obscenely high paid security consultancy contract with several major car companies for execution on his release.
Moral of the story, "If they're really serious about taking it, they'll take it"
And then there's a close friend of mine in Perth, gave up buying new Porsche Carerras, because despite the very latest in keyless entry, kick ass fandangle electronic ignition AND fuel pump immobilisers designed by Einstein installed under the driver seat AND only accesable by taking the drivers seat out AND parked in a locked garage behind a steel fence with aircraft carrier size anchor chain and padlock on it as well as the usual hydraulic locks, he was still getting rung in the middle of the night by the cops telling him his car was now in the pound after the latest chase, asking him did he know it was stolen yet or seeing a photo of it wrecked on the front page of the Morning Vomit.
He might as well have left the keys in the ignition and saved the entry damage.
I even got to look after it occasionally when he went away
Three times, then he gave it away.
The gentleman responsible is, last I heard, a guest of Her Majesty whilst negotiating an obscenely high paid security consultancy contract with several major car companies for execution on his release.
Moral of the story, "If they're really serious about taking it, they'll take it"
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colt_pa22, powered aviation is a little over 100 years old now and I'd be willing to bet that comments refering to 'the final nail in the coffin' are almost as old. They've certainly been prevalent since I started flying. Somehow GA seems to be surviving. If the proposed rule change was just affecting you, then I would agree about the injustice, but it's affecting everyone. Just deal with it and move on.
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It is an injustice to all aircraft owners.
I don’t think GA is surviving is Aus, there is a downward trend in the decline of all pilots, PPL to ATPL from 01 to 03 despite new PPL to ATPL holders obtaining their new licenses within that time period. Total hours flown are also down from 00 to 02 and have probably gone down again since 02 to new.
We all agree if somebody wants your aircraft they can, and will break in to it regardless of the proposed anti theft devices, so why make us buy a 200US+ anti theft device? The depressing thing is AOPA agrees with DoTARS on this, they’re more interested on a pointless national day of protest at the moment that will prove nothing. What a joke.
The RAA (AUF) is looking pretty good at the moment; at least they have the balls to stand up to the regulators.
I don’t think GA is surviving is Aus, there is a downward trend in the decline of all pilots, PPL to ATPL from 01 to 03 despite new PPL to ATPL holders obtaining their new licenses within that time period. Total hours flown are also down from 00 to 02 and have probably gone down again since 02 to new.
We all agree if somebody wants your aircraft they can, and will break in to it regardless of the proposed anti theft devices, so why make us buy a 200US+ anti theft device? The depressing thing is AOPA agrees with DoTARS on this, they’re more interested on a pointless national day of protest at the moment that will prove nothing. What a joke.
The RAA (AUF) is looking pretty good at the moment; at least they have the balls to stand up to the regulators.
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the best thing i have ever done in my avaition career (activities anyway) was walk away from YSBK and the VH registered aircraft, and join the RAA (formerly AUF) now i can actually aford to fly any day that pleases me, AND buy my OWN aircraft! its no surprise that the RAA has grown 100% in size in the last 3 yrs!
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"downward trend in the number of all pilots, PPL to ATPL"
That should bring it back to about 50 pilots per job.
Call it an adjustment after a drastic oversupply. Bigger oversupply, bigger adjustment.
Aviation for many is a pyramid marketing scam. Unfortunately.
Meaning many that train have no prospect of ever finding employment.
This happens, regardless of regulation. Easier regs would not rejuvinate GA. Period.
More people with more disposable income might.
That should bring it back to about 50 pilots per job.
Call it an adjustment after a drastic oversupply. Bigger oversupply, bigger adjustment.
Aviation for many is a pyramid marketing scam. Unfortunately.
Meaning many that train have no prospect of ever finding employment.
This happens, regardless of regulation. Easier regs would not rejuvinate GA. Period.
More people with more disposable income might.
currawong your comments really only apply to aspiring Commercial Pilots. There can never be an over supply of Private Pilots! For there to be ANY GA left to train those aspiring Commercial Pilots we need more PPLs training & hiring aircraft. There is a definite decline in numbers and this reflects in a current shortage of senior instructors and also CPLs with enough twin time to do government charter work. I know of three GA operators who are short of pilots! I know it has been a long time coming. The PPLs are understandbly heading over to the RAA and flying better (faster, cheaper, more sophisticated) aircraft so the future for GA schools is grim. Add in the looming CASR requirements and we are in for a big shake up. I think we will end with just a handful of Commercial Pilot schools around the country. Instead of every two aircraft country flying school training Commercial Pilots. I make no comment on whether this is good or bad just where I think we are heading.
As an aspiring PPL (and no further) I think GA has a bright future. It is not as expensive as I thought it was. The overlapping of GA and ultralights plus new technology like diesels and plastic aircraft is ultimately going to keep costs down.
I suspect pleny of others are sick of spending three hours on the road every weekend to get to their favourite destinations. GA doesn't look dead to me!
I suspect pleny of others are sick of spending three hours on the road every weekend to get to their favourite destinations. GA doesn't look dead to me!
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My old bomb Corolla was pinched in the wee hours of a Thursday morning a few years ago. The Peelers called me when they found it a week later.... the crooks had put their own steering wheel lock on it 
I agree with Woomera - if they want it they'll take it. However.....
Imagine someone pinches a lighty next week and prangs it into a school yard. The inevitable "totally unlocked twin engine Cessna Cherokee" headline will be presented as the heart of the matter, not the theft. Most people hate 'those noisy dangerous little planes' as it is. The outrage will be lapped up by the tabloids and their slack jawed readers, listeners and viewers.
We can't ignore perceptions. Islander Jock makes the point well; don't we want to be seen to be complying?
And Sunfish, as most people live in the capital cities, we GA knobs will be spending more than 3 hours on the road just to get to the airport, the way things are heading......
I agree with Woomera - if they want it they'll take it. However.....
Imagine someone pinches a lighty next week and prangs it into a school yard. The inevitable "totally unlocked twin engine Cessna Cherokee" headline will be presented as the heart of the matter, not the theft. Most people hate 'those noisy dangerous little planes' as it is. The outrage will be lapped up by the tabloids and their slack jawed readers, listeners and viewers.
We can't ignore perceptions. Islander Jock makes the point well; don't we want to be seen to be complying?
And Sunfish, as most people live in the capital cities, we GA knobs will be spending more than 3 hours on the road just to get to the airport, the way things are heading......
Having to face the costs of "thief proofing" 6 aircraft to meet this drama (3 helicopters which can be parked anywhere, anytime ), I e mailed the two gentlemen on the DATOARS notice. Waste of time, as my main beef was "how do you justify that ALL aircraft door locks are not considered adequate". Cleverly avoided answering, of course, but if they were to get more e mails, maybe they'd start to think about it.
If just a few of you have the time and energy, how about a quick line to:
Mike Higgins [email protected]
or
Ian Gammon [email protected]
), I e mailed the two gentlemen on the DATOARS notice. Waste of time, as my main beef was "how do you justify that ALL aircraft door locks are not considered adequate". Cleverly avoided answering, of course, but if they were to get more e mails, maybe they'd start to think about it. If just a few of you have the time and energy, how about a quick line to:
Mike Higgins [email protected]
or
Ian Gammon [email protected]
