Will ADS-B do away with the need for radar?
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Yeah, but I'm sure anybody who charges (read AsA or airport owners) would be happy to fit a station.
Not to mention increasing the charges to pay for the charges to be charged. Watch AOPA squeal.
Not to mention increasing the charges to pay for the charges to be charged. Watch AOPA squeal.
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karrank mon ami;
I wasn't just talking about the existing ground stations, I'm talking about everywhere.
I cant recall the number but basically universal coverage is possible anywhere there is a microwave, mobile phone or any other tower, connected to the telecom grid and/or elsewhere by satlink to hang em on.
It's a big task but not any more or less impossible than the first telephone services.
To whom did the inventor of the facsimile machine sent the first fax, who recieved the first public non ARPAnet email and why are there now more mobile phones in the population than there are telephones connected. Great isn't it.
I can remember hanging out for the new/old fashioned DME en route in faraway places and hoping, there weren't more than 20 was it? aircraft interrogating it at any one time, VOR/DME was the 8th wonder of the world and we could stop carrying spare tuning light globes and replacement plastic funnels for the trailing HF antenna.
There must be thousands of them out there on paddock and airfield fences.
I wasn't just talking about the existing ground stations, I'm talking about everywhere.
I cant recall the number but basically universal coverage is possible anywhere there is a microwave, mobile phone or any other tower, connected to the telecom grid and/or elsewhere by satlink to hang em on.
It's a big task but not any more or less impossible than the first telephone services.
To whom did the inventor of the facsimile machine sent the first fax, who recieved the first public non ARPAnet email and why are there now more mobile phones in the population than there are telephones connected. Great isn't it.
I can remember hanging out for the new/old fashioned DME en route in faraway places and hoping, there weren't more than 20 was it? aircraft interrogating it at any one time, VOR/DME was the 8th wonder of the world and we could stop carrying spare tuning light globes and replacement plastic funnels for the trailing HF antenna.
There must be thousands of them out there on paddock and airfield fences.
Kerans (and if you are still an AOPA office bearer, you should know better)[list=1][*]Airservices isn't going to "save" anything[*]they don't have a spare $150m required to follow the ministerial directive[*]under a clause in their Act, it has to be provided by the government[*]where do you think they are going to get it from?[/list=1]
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correctamundo;
But if the "directive" was not a churlish Smith attempt to monster the Airservices board into a rollback of the rollback
and was out of a genuine concern for the improvement of Australian airspace, then the money could be much better spent elsewhere.
Smith has now unwittingly I'm sure, hoist himself on his own petard.
He has scared the $150,000,000 out of the Government, that they didn't have for aviation, despite his personal assurance that they would save $70,000,000 and now can't admit that it would be much better and infinitely more effeciently utilised bringing ADSB in right now, because it would make his airspace design arguments basically irrelevant.
I seem to recall an irrefutably correct refrain of his as being "using resources best where they are most needed".
Towers where there weren't isn't one of them.
If he were truly and altruistically motivated to "help" he could make a real Australian hero of himself by hijacking as is his wont, the ADSB agenda as his own, admitting that we can move on from his NAS fiasco and advising the Minister to divert the funds to immediate and free implemenatation of ADSB.
If AOPA were serious and not now just a cipher of Smiths, they would have publicly jumped on the towers/radar directive immediately and gone to work on getting Smith to implement the ADSB in lieu, that would have been a real score. But it seems ideology got in the way again.
The problem is he woudn't b able to say it was his idea and get away with it and that would the test of the man.
correctamundo;
But if the "directive" was not a churlish Smith attempt to monster the Airservices board into a rollback of the rollback
and was out of a genuine concern for the improvement of Australian airspace, then the money could be much better spent elsewhere.Smith has now unwittingly I'm sure, hoist himself on his own petard.
He has scared the $150,000,000 out of the Government, that they didn't have for aviation, despite his personal assurance that they would save $70,000,000 and now can't admit that it would be much better and infinitely more effeciently utilised bringing ADSB in right now, because it would make his airspace design arguments basically irrelevant.
I seem to recall an irrefutably correct refrain of his as being "using resources best where they are most needed".
Towers where there weren't isn't one of them.
If he were truly and altruistically motivated to "help" he could make a real Australian hero of himself by hijacking as is his wont, the ADSB agenda as his own, admitting that we can move on from his NAS fiasco and advising the Minister to divert the funds to immediate and free implemenatation of ADSB.
If AOPA were serious and not now just a cipher of Smiths, they would have publicly jumped on the towers/radar directive immediately and gone to work on getting Smith to implement the ADSB in lieu, that would have been a real score. But it seems ideology got in the way again.
The problem is he woudn't b able to say it was his idea and get away with it and that would the test of the man.
