Need Serious Advices Regarding RE-TAKING PPL Flying Test
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Need Serious Advices Regarding RE-TAKING PPL Flying Test
Hi guys,
I did not do well for my PPL flight test last week n need to re-take again.Just wondering will this affects my application for Airlines's Jobs in the future? Im sure if I intend to do a instructor rating course in the same Aero-Club,they will not hire me due to these kinda "performances". What do u guys out there think? Pls advice.
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I did not do well for my PPL flight test last week n need to re-take again.Just wondering will this affects my application for Airlines's Jobs in the future? Im sure if I intend to do a instructor rating course in the same Aero-Club,they will not hire me due to these kinda "performances". What do u guys out there think? Pls advice.
Cheers...
Don't worry too much if you fail a flight test. I don't think the airlines care too much either.
It could have as much do with the flying school/instructor as it has to do with you.
I know some Testing Officer's who knew they would fail someone/wanted to fail someone even before the test started, so in this situation, you always failed.
If the testing officer wants to be or is an ass hole, then you can fail anytime, over nothing !!!
It could have as much do with the flying school/instructor as it has to do with you.
I know some Testing Officer's who knew they would fail someone/wanted to fail someone even before the test started, so in this situation, you always failed.
If the testing officer wants to be or is an ass hole, then you can fail anytime, over nothing !!!
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I am an Instructor and ATO. I would have to say your instructor who has recommended you for the test has failed you. The pre licence test should be the hard one. The ATO should merely have to say "yes I agree with the previous assessment" I presume you had all your achievement records signed? The airlines will be less interested that you did fail this test, but more on how you deal with this adversity. A few pointers for the test. For the purpose of the test YOU ARE the pilot in command. So act like one. If the ATO wants you to go somewhere where you are not comfortable, don't go. Tell him/her why, but don't go. If you took your family for a flight, would you go somewhere where you are not comfortable? If the ATO wants you to do something you are not comfortable with, don't do it. Yes I know there are certain things you HAVE to do for a PPL test. Its better you do them next week if you are not comfortable today. The ATO may ask you to do things just to see if you are foolish enough to do them. Whatever you do, be the PIC and good luck next time.
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Not everyone passes first time
Hang in there Nismo.
This is only your second flying test (I'm assuming you had a GFPT flight test). If you failed it first time, then don't let it get you down. Not everyone learns at the same pace, and not many of us can do the required syllabus and pass in the minimum hours. (I passed my CPL on the second attempt: Disappointing, but not a show-stopper).
What counts is how you react to a set-back! I can guarantee you this WONT be the first or only set-back you'll have in your flying career!
At times during my training (esp. after a training flight where I just couldn't get it together, or a crap session of cross wind circuits) I'd be driving home and thinking "Is this REALLY what I want to do?". The answer being YES, then I looked at what I did wrong, and concentrated mostly on those areas for the next flight.
Do not let a failure overwhelm you; OBJECTIVELY look at what you did wrong, do whatever re-training is required with your instructor, and when you're re-taking your PPL, stay calm and concentrate.
As for airlines caring about whether you passed or not? I can't say for certain, but I doubt it. By the time you're applying for an airline, you'll have had to have passed:
CPL
Multi endorsement
MECIR
With a few other endorsements thrown in. If you're doing your instructor rating, then add another one. IMO, airlines would be more concerned with how you flew on their flight test (on the day) than how you flew on your PPL test many years ago.
As for your aero-club not hiring you as an instructor because you failed your PPL, I don't know. You could ask them, but (again IMO) their answer would most likely be along the lines of "Concentrate on this first!"
CHIN UP,
and I hope this helped.
DIVOSH!
This is only your second flying test (I'm assuming you had a GFPT flight test). If you failed it first time, then don't let it get you down. Not everyone learns at the same pace, and not many of us can do the required syllabus and pass in the minimum hours. (I passed my CPL on the second attempt: Disappointing, but not a show-stopper).
What counts is how you react to a set-back! I can guarantee you this WONT be the first or only set-back you'll have in your flying career!
At times during my training (esp. after a training flight where I just couldn't get it together, or a crap session of cross wind circuits) I'd be driving home and thinking "Is this REALLY what I want to do?". The answer being YES, then I looked at what I did wrong, and concentrated mostly on those areas for the next flight.
Do not let a failure overwhelm you; OBJECTIVELY look at what you did wrong, do whatever re-training is required with your instructor, and when you're re-taking your PPL, stay calm and concentrate.
As for airlines caring about whether you passed or not? I can't say for certain, but I doubt it. By the time you're applying for an airline, you'll have had to have passed:
CPL
Multi endorsement
MECIR
With a few other endorsements thrown in. If you're doing your instructor rating, then add another one. IMO, airlines would be more concerned with how you flew on their flight test (on the day) than how you flew on your PPL test many years ago.
As for your aero-club not hiring you as an instructor because you failed your PPL, I don't know. You could ask them, but (again IMO) their answer would most likely be along the lines of "Concentrate on this first!"
CHIN UP,
and I hope this helped.
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Nismo you are so like me its not funny.
Now listen up mate and I'll tell you what happens later on down the track.
The reality is that everyone fails tests in this game - EVERYONE. Your test is a really small one that you will not even remember later on down the track. The airlines aren't really interested in what happened on your ppl/cpl/mecir. The only way it will affect your airline career is if you let it put you off.
A guy that tought me said once after my millionth questions RE Airlines "Bloke, do you know who gets there in the end? The people who keep getting up after getting knocked down over and over and over again - they just keep going and in the end they get there".
I know experienced Captains who have failed their check rides and renewals. Why? Cause they are human and its hard stuff. No big deal, they hit the books and go back and do it all again. The good thing about your test is that you can do it over and over again until you pass. When you get into an airline they kinda draw the line at 2 or 3 gos. So let you hair down and enjoy it buddy - I wish I had a bit more!
Relax mate don't worry - hold your heading, height and keep an eye on that watch +big features mate.
Now listen up mate and I'll tell you what happens later on down the track.
The reality is that everyone fails tests in this game - EVERYONE. Your test is a really small one that you will not even remember later on down the track. The airlines aren't really interested in what happened on your ppl/cpl/mecir. The only way it will affect your airline career is if you let it put you off.
A guy that tought me said once after my millionth questions RE Airlines "Bloke, do you know who gets there in the end? The people who keep getting up after getting knocked down over and over and over again - they just keep going and in the end they get there".
I know experienced Captains who have failed their check rides and renewals. Why? Cause they are human and its hard stuff. No big deal, they hit the books and go back and do it all again. The good thing about your test is that you can do it over and over again until you pass. When you get into an airline they kinda draw the line at 2 or 3 gos. So let you hair down and enjoy it buddy - I wish I had a bit more!
Relax mate don't worry - hold your heading, height and keep an eye on that watch +big features mate.
Dont worry about it to much mate. Just get back on that hoarse and take it as a learning experience.
I Fly... interesting comment ... ".... your instructor has failed you".. thats a bit harsh isn't it?
If you are who i think you are you have been around the traps for a little while.. can you really say its always to guys/gals who are doing the pre-test that it is their fault?
PS Make sure you tell us about the DA42
I Fly... interesting comment ... ".... your instructor has failed you".. thats a bit harsh isn't it?
If you are who i think you are you have been around the traps for a little while.. can you really say its always to guys/gals who are doing the pre-test that it is their fault?
PS Make sure you tell us about the DA42
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Change Your Mentality
Nismo:
As Mr Hat has already pointed out, EVERYONE has failed a "test" somewhere along the line in this game, so your predicament is not unusual.
May I suggest a change in philosophy which may assist your progress?
No-one FAILS a test; they are simply NOT AT THE REQUIRED STANDARD at that particular point in time. All a flight "test" does is assess your competency to not kill yourself (or others) and is, in effect, a reality check to pick up areas where your standards and competencies can improve.
You've only failed when the majority of instructors turn around and tell you, bluntly, that so long as your bum points to the ground, you'll never be able to fly because you don't have the necessary competencies. That's SAD - and a FAILURE!
As Mr Hat has already pointed out, EVERYONE has failed a "test" somewhere along the line in this game, so your predicament is not unusual.
May I suggest a change in philosophy which may assist your progress?
No-one FAILS a test; they are simply NOT AT THE REQUIRED STANDARD at that particular point in time. All a flight "test" does is assess your competency to not kill yourself (or others) and is, in effect, a reality check to pick up areas where your standards and competencies can improve.
You've only failed when the majority of instructors turn around and tell you, bluntly, that so long as your bum points to the ground, you'll never be able to fly because you don't have the necessary competencies. That's SAD - and a FAILURE!
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Failing your PPL first sit will make you nail your next attempt! A Private Licence is exactly what it means. You're not expected to be Qantas captain material in the first stages of your flying. Hang in there mate, and good luck!!!
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Bula, I might be harsh on myself. Perhaps I should have said "when one of my students fails a test, I feel I have failed him / her". The Instructor should know better than the student what is required according to the DAY VFR Syllabus. Yes there are some very dopey students. They get training until they are dopey no more. There are inconsistent students. They get training until they are inconsistent no more. There are very under confident students. They get training until they are confident. There are very overconfident students. They get training until they realize they are human after all. There are only 2 possible assessments for a student. Competent and not yet competent. To be able to attempt a flight test requires the recommendation of the CFI. I wonder why that is? Why don't we get the student to recommend themselves when they think they are ready? When you go to the doctor and s/he makes a misdiagnosis. Who do you (blame??). The doctor or the patient? The ?? is because I don't like the word blame. Just someone ought to say to themselves "I could have / should have done better there".
Someone commented that some ATOs are just a*s***es, perhaps they are just replicating what some passenger or controller might ask you to do.
Someone commented that some ATOs are just a*s***es, perhaps they are just replicating what some passenger or controller might ask you to do.
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I Fly, good point and i agree an instructor has failed the student when they are assessed "not yet competent". But some times an instructor has to let a student fall on their butt to help them. This is esp so when its an over confidence problem (which is just as likely to kill you as a poor handling problem). To put someone up for the test and have the testing officer give them a pasting in the debrief can some-times give them the kick in the arse they need. If that is'nt enough then they should be flying only on Microsoft aircraft. Some people just dont want to listen and think they know better than the instructor, so to have the testing officer back you up is beaut.
To offer my advice to this guy tho, a PPL is only a drop in the bucket and it's true anyone can miss a test at anytime. I have been lucky enough to not have missed any so far, but I got more to come than ive done! Maybe you could try this technique but it dosent work for everyone. Visualisation. Lay in bed and start in the office of the test venue. See yourself walk out to the aircraft and concentrate on everything you know you should be doing. If you draw a blank then write it down and ask your instructor about it because its a knowledge deficiency. Then pick up with your minds eye. Be meticulas do every thing perfectly. It will take about 2 hours to do it. But your mind can't tell the difference between imagination and reality very well so effectively your getting free flying! This techinque works for some people like i say and it also works really well for students shortly to first solo. You need to be able to focus on what you are thinking about clearly which is were its hard for some people to do this but with practice you'll get better.
Good luck with the test and get into bed and start flying it over and over in your mind.
To offer my advice to this guy tho, a PPL is only a drop in the bucket and it's true anyone can miss a test at anytime. I have been lucky enough to not have missed any so far, but I got more to come than ive done! Maybe you could try this technique but it dosent work for everyone. Visualisation. Lay in bed and start in the office of the test venue. See yourself walk out to the aircraft and concentrate on everything you know you should be doing. If you draw a blank then write it down and ask your instructor about it because its a knowledge deficiency. Then pick up with your minds eye. Be meticulas do every thing perfectly. It will take about 2 hours to do it. But your mind can't tell the difference between imagination and reality very well so effectively your getting free flying! This techinque works for some people like i say and it also works really well for students shortly to first solo. You need to be able to focus on what you are thinking about clearly which is were its hard for some people to do this but with practice you'll get better.
Good luck with the test and get into bed and start flying it over and over in your mind.
