"Professional" Pilots???
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Sunfish, do your parents know you spend your pocket money on crack? remember "only loser's use drug's"
"All we get from you is abuse and invective! "
"you guys may have the qualifications, but I don't think many of you are professionals "
Why would people abuse you? hmmmm i wonder. Maybe when you hit puberty you'll figure it out.
"but I don't think many of you are professionals" Nobody give a toss what you think.
Whats the difference between jesus and a pilot? Jesus does'nt think he's a pilot.
"All we get from you is abuse and invective! "
"you guys may have the qualifications, but I don't think many of you are professionals "
Why would people abuse you? hmmmm i wonder. Maybe when you hit puberty you'll figure it out.
"but I don't think many of you are professionals" Nobody give a toss what you think.
Whats the difference between jesus and a pilot? Jesus does'nt think he's a pilot.
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I know, I was just troling. I could not resist it. My own (limited) view is that pilots earn a whole years pay in about thirty seconds once or twice a year when things go wrong. I'm afraid I have seen that and watched one of them do it.
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Sorry Sunfish - just lost me with your last post.
A professional pilot doesn't get paid per flight hour. As a professional my job doesn't stop - I don't have a and don't believe in Sign On / Off times, outside of the realm of flight duty restrictions / requirements. From reading Flight Safety and numerous publications to keep my finger on the pulse, ammending those damn Jepps ('cause someone decided to change a star to an asterix.....), backgound reading on systems, knowing & understanding the latest rule changes and airspace, turning up for work clean, ready and in uniform, and so on, and so on.......
There are and I've seen it time and time again of "clock watchers" not lifting a finger till their official duty starts. Their choice, but they are noted in senior pilot and managerial meetings, and not pleasant to fly with for any number of reasons.
About the GPS: a professional pilot is prepared for it not working with bearings and radials for the destination, ground speed checks, PNRs, CPs, etc for the sector being flown. If your instructor can't teach you to do that then you're getting ripped off sunshine!
A professional pilot is also ready and prepared for an abnormal or emergency situation. That is a given, and personally, the least amount of times I can get paid for that then the better.
There are pilots existing with different levels of "professionalism" and you Sunfish seem to paint all with your tainted view derived from your flying school and this forum. Get a grip and some professionalism of your own before painting us all with your contaminated brush.
A professional pilot doesn't get paid per flight hour. As a professional my job doesn't stop - I don't have a and don't believe in Sign On / Off times, outside of the realm of flight duty restrictions / requirements. From reading Flight Safety and numerous publications to keep my finger on the pulse, ammending those damn Jepps ('cause someone decided to change a star to an asterix.....), backgound reading on systems, knowing & understanding the latest rule changes and airspace, turning up for work clean, ready and in uniform, and so on, and so on.......
There are and I've seen it time and time again of "clock watchers" not lifting a finger till their official duty starts. Their choice, but they are noted in senior pilot and managerial meetings, and not pleasant to fly with for any number of reasons.
About the GPS: a professional pilot is prepared for it not working with bearings and radials for the destination, ground speed checks, PNRs, CPs, etc for the sector being flown. If your instructor can't teach you to do that then you're getting ripped off sunshine!
A professional pilot is also ready and prepared for an abnormal or emergency situation. That is a given, and personally, the least amount of times I can get paid for that then the better.
There are pilots existing with different levels of "professionalism" and you Sunfish seem to paint all with your tainted view derived from your flying school and this forum. Get a grip and some professionalism of your own before painting us all with your contaminated brush.
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That's right Sunfish but then again, you IT geeks get a truckload. If the conditions and pay are so awesome, have a go yourself.
The average GA driver in this country gets about 30 grand a year -about the same as you IT knobs get between Christmas and Easter each year.
Maybe you wish you had become a Comm driver when younger and that's why you have such a problem with us lot.
Professional jealousy is a sad thing eh? But can I swap pay packets with you, for you HUGE reponsibility of playing with computers?
The average GA driver in this country gets about 30 grand a year -about the same as you IT knobs get between Christmas and Easter each year.
Maybe you wish you had become a Comm driver when younger and that's why you have such a problem with us lot.
Professional jealousy is a sad thing eh? But can I swap pay packets with you, for you HUGE reponsibility of playing with computers?
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TopTup, I am not in disagreement, my point is that for all the preparation, the defining moment for a professional pilot may be thirty seconds over LHR, or over Canberra at 0550. Thank god they ARE professionals. I dips me lid to them.
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My own (limited) view is that pilots earn a whole years pay in about thirty seconds once or twice a year when things go wrong
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The average GA driver in this country gets about 30 grand a year -about the same as you IT knobs get between Christmas and Easter each year.
Granted its more than 30 grand, but not by that much.
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Many of my colleges and respondents to the forums on this website wouldn't now the meaning of the word proffessional (OK I have trouble spelling it ) let alone know how to act like one!!!!!!!!
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I remember at my first flying job about 3 years ago, there was a guy (who I am still mates with) who I first met when he started working there.
Like all of us, he was working a 40hr. week, including weekends, no sick pay, no holidays and not even super or work cover for the huge salary of $17,000pa.
From day 1, he always turned up for work, un-ironed shirt (bit hard when you live in ya car), sand shoes etc. etc. The boss said to him after a month, you need to look more professional. Gotta love him when he answered, "when you treat me like a professional, I will act like one". Of course a few weeks later he got the ass.
Is aviation even a profession? Do I consider that I have a profession - Nope, just a bum with a fancy job title.
Like all of us, he was working a 40hr. week, including weekends, no sick pay, no holidays and not even super or work cover for the huge salary of $17,000pa.
From day 1, he always turned up for work, un-ironed shirt (bit hard when you live in ya car), sand shoes etc. etc. The boss said to him after a month, you need to look more professional. Gotta love him when he answered, "when you treat me like a professional, I will act like one". Of course a few weeks later he got the ass.
Is aviation even a profession? Do I consider that I have a profession - Nope, just a bum with a fancy job title.
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I have always thought that a good test of how well regarded and professional a group is is by seeing how much notice is taken of that group by the decision makers. 
I think that puts GA pilots at about 1 on a scale of 1 to 100.
Airline pilots since 1989 may make 2. 
In retrospect that is being too generous when one considers the standard of posting on these forums where any thread is lucky to last one page before the bitching and backbiting starts.
I think that puts GA pilots at about 1 on a scale of 1 to 100.
Airline pilots since 1989 may make 2. In retrospect that is being too generous when one considers the standard of posting on these forums where any thread is lucky to last one page before the bitching and backbiting starts.
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In retrospect that is being too generous when one considers the standard of posting on these forums where any thread is lucky to last one page before the bitching and backbiting starts.
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Mr Buzzy, ok I'm a little late - but, I'd like to know what the hell is wrong with PC lesbians? 
And for what it is worth, here is my 2 cents;
I have found pprune to be extremely informative on quite a number of aviation related topics. Particularly useful those for such as moi who are quite inexperienced . And feel at times rather warm and fuzzy (sort of like a pc lesbian!
) when many have offered useful , advice and information to others.
And on many occasions have nearly peed myself with laughing at at some of the crazy comments .
But just like every where else ppl can be f'wits - bickering and whinging, blah, blah, blah . I don't think it really has much to do with pilots, but more to do with the fact that most people are dickheads sometimes and annoymous forums seems to bring the dickheadness out. And also ,that aviation can be a fairly frustrating industry to work in which is reflected in the posts.
Anyhow - if you don't like it , what are you still doing here?
And for what it is worth, here is my 2 cents;
I have found pprune to be extremely informative on quite a number of aviation related topics. Particularly useful those for such as moi who are quite inexperienced . And feel at times rather warm and fuzzy (sort of like a pc lesbian!
) when many have offered useful , advice and information to others.And on many occasions have nearly peed myself with laughing at at some of the crazy comments .
But just like every where else ppl can be f'wits - bickering and whinging, blah, blah, blah . I don't think it really has much to do with pilots, but more to do with the fact that most people are dickheads sometimes and annoymous forums seems to bring the dickheadness out. And also ,that aviation can be a fairly frustrating industry to work in which is reflected in the posts.
Anyhow - if you don't like it , what are you still doing here?
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Hey Sunfish,
Do you have any idea how many inocent people die at the hands of doctors each year?
It numbers in the thousands. Now they do see a huge amount of people each year, however the average airline pilot can have the lives of up to 350 people in his/her hands for a few hours at a time and don't usually lose any of them.
Glorified Bus drivers....Sheesh! I wish. I tell my mum I play the piano in a girly bar. And I'm in my late 30's.
TBT
Do you have any idea how many inocent people die at the hands of doctors each year?
It numbers in the thousands. Now they do see a huge amount of people each year, however the average airline pilot can have the lives of up to 350 people in his/her hands for a few hours at a time and don't usually lose any of them.
Glorified Bus drivers....Sheesh! I wish. I tell my mum I play the piano in a girly bar. And I'm in my late 30's.
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Ladies.............put your proffessional aviaters hats on and acknowledge the so obviously uninformed with the only truly profesional reply warranted for such occasions.........NONE!
Oh and I sorries for the spellin! You all have to eckskews me after all I are just a pielot.........I meen bus driver!
Oh and I sorries for the spellin! You all have to eckskews me after all I are just a pielot.........I meen bus driver!
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TBT, however when an aircraft goes in it is news!!!! When a nurse shoves a feeding tube into a geezers lung instead of his stomach and kills him that is not news!
Falling is everyones nightmare. Choking on one's own vomit is not.
You is newsworthy!
Falling is everyones nightmare. Choking on one's own vomit is not.
You is newsworthy!
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I would have to fully agree with Sunfish also. Lots of pilots out there suffereing under the illusion that they are pretty darned special just because they work for a big company like qantas or cathay along with a few thousand others.
Just remember, you are just employees of big corporations. No more, no less. A pair of wings on your tit and a silly hat is not a currency to buy yourself a higher place in life.
The other thing coming through here is that a lot of the pilots chucking in their opinions have no regard for the professional non aviation qualifications of degree holding business, IT or law graduates. Its seems that you regard your own flying job as the only career worthy of calling "professional".
Doctors, lawyers, acountants, engineers are by definition "professionals". You guys are pilots and although you take it very all very seriously and pass your sims and believe you can handle any failure thrown your way, and believe that you ae the gauradians of the travelling public, you are not actually regarded in the "professional" career category.
I suggest you just get back to your manual, study for your next sim and keep it just a little bit real.
Gin.
Just remember, you are just employees of big corporations. No more, no less. A pair of wings on your tit and a silly hat is not a currency to buy yourself a higher place in life.
The other thing coming through here is that a lot of the pilots chucking in their opinions have no regard for the professional non aviation qualifications of degree holding business, IT or law graduates. Its seems that you regard your own flying job as the only career worthy of calling "professional".
Doctors, lawyers, acountants, engineers are by definition "professionals". You guys are pilots and although you take it very all very seriously and pass your sims and believe you can handle any failure thrown your way, and believe that you ae the gauradians of the travelling public, you are not actually regarded in the "professional" career category.
I suggest you just get back to your manual, study for your next sim and keep it just a little bit real.
Gin.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
A pair of wings on your tit and a silly hat is not a currency to buy yourself a higher place in life.
You guys are pilots
pilots
Eat ya heart out, sucker!
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"Not since they started outsourcing it all to India..."
I can see it now, FO Singh presses the "delete all routes" button on the FMS, next thing you know there is a post on : -
http/oops-fms.com/support/forums/what_to_tell_passengers_when_you_have_deleted_the_routes.asp _thread18927836
cruel and unfair I know, but this is my experience in other industries, they are however very very quick learners, and they do not make mistakes twice - infact some of these "tech-farms" are a real threat.
They work 24/7 and don't complain, just what oldmeadow and his ilk want.
and they do it on arbitrage.
I can see it now, FO Singh presses the "delete all routes" button on the FMS, next thing you know there is a post on : -
http/oops-fms.com/support/forums/what_to_tell_passengers_when_you_have_deleted_the_routes.asp _thread18927836
cruel and unfair I know, but this is my experience in other industries, they are however very very quick learners, and they do not make mistakes twice - infact some of these "tech-farms" are a real threat.
They work 24/7 and don't complain, just what oldmeadow and his ilk want.
and they do it on arbitrage.