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Unfortunately, Mr S + G and his mates will not be able to do so.
They are taking an extended holiday, we believe to be on the planet Coosebane, which planet we understand, is not now able to present a return orbital launch window to Earth until sometime well into the next century.
Unfortunately, Mr S + G and his mates will not be able to do so.
They are taking an extended holiday, we believe to be on the planet Coosebane, which planet we understand, is not now able to present a return orbital launch window to Earth until sometime well into the next century.
A better idea would be to post something constructive on how YOU would promote GA in Australia instead of slagging off on other attempts to bring attention to the Feds on the problems presented to GA. GA is EVERYTHING other than RPT not just weekend warrior PPL types. The NASdebate is only part of it.
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It would appear that such a concept is an anathema if it does not suit the particular agenda of the day. Perhaps one should ask the moderator for moderation.
On another post I note Dick Smith has been banned, yet a thread remains giving opportunity for all and sundry to attack him, but deny's him a response.
I don't follow the S&G post but gather it revolves around a dislike for Gaunty. Perhpas it was to illustrate a point of qualifications for Gaunty's comments or past actions with AOPA. Whatever, it appears "he and his mates" are banned from further comment so we'll never know.
This does not stop Ibex from kicking the tin a bit and "slagging" (I hate that word), another forum, and laying the boot in for some more "payback".
What has this got to do with a National Day of Action?
I understood the day of Action was a multi faceted affair and includes years of complaints against CASA, Airservices, loss of services, addition of costs, and the once Taxpayer owned airports, now a "milch cow" for the Banks who, apparantly need the money more than us.
Perhaps it's me, but I get the impression that if it has AOPA's name or NAS anywhere near it, then it must be bad.
Your call for "constructive" comment would seem to fall on deaf ears if the AOPA folk are, (as it appears), denied access to this forum. One could almost say, it would be understandable that they would not come near here with a barge pole.
Thereby ends any "constructive" comment contrary to accepted dogma.
On another post I note Dick Smith has been banned, yet a thread remains giving opportunity for all and sundry to attack him, but deny's him a response.
I don't follow the S&G post but gather it revolves around a dislike for Gaunty. Perhpas it was to illustrate a point of qualifications for Gaunty's comments or past actions with AOPA. Whatever, it appears "he and his mates" are banned from further comment so we'll never know.
This does not stop Ibex from kicking the tin a bit and "slagging" (I hate that word), another forum, and laying the boot in for some more "payback".
What has this got to do with a National Day of Action?
I understood the day of Action was a multi faceted affair and includes years of complaints against CASA, Airservices, loss of services, addition of costs, and the once Taxpayer owned airports, now a "milch cow" for the Banks who, apparantly need the money more than us.
Perhaps it's me, but I get the impression that if it has AOPA's name or NAS anywhere near it, then it must be bad.
Your call for "constructive" comment would seem to fall on deaf ears if the AOPA folk are, (as it appears), denied access to this forum. One could almost say, it would be understandable that they would not come near here with a barge pole.
Thereby ends any "constructive" comment contrary to accepted dogma.
Creampuff has it absolutely right. The "national day of action" is an incredibly dumb idea because the General Public's idea of what constitutes GA is totally uninformed, its somewhere between delivering newspapers to Mildura, crayfish from King Island and silvertails playing with expensive toys.
Against that background even Pauline Hanson would be able to take AOPA apart with one hand tied behind her back.
At best, GA would come out of a "national day of action"it as a bunch of spoiled brats. If any incident occurred we would come out of it as a bunch of homicidal idiots who don't deserve the priviledge of using the airspace (and CASA is very strong on that word "Priviledge").
If we want to do something for GA in Australia the steps are very simple:
1) Hire a very good PR firm and brief them well about what we want to achieve.
2) Do what they say to create a positive public perception of the industry.
3) After the public image of GA is seen as favourable in the minds of the general public, then "work" with the Politicians and Bureaucrats(god bless them, its a rotten job sometimes) to change things in a "Win/Win" manner.
Any other approach, to put it in pilotspeak, is about as successful as turning back to an airstrip after a low level EFATO.
Against that background even Pauline Hanson would be able to take AOPA apart with one hand tied behind her back.
At best, GA would come out of a "national day of action"it as a bunch of spoiled brats. If any incident occurred we would come out of it as a bunch of homicidal idiots who don't deserve the priviledge of using the airspace (and CASA is very strong on that word "Priviledge").
If we want to do something for GA in Australia the steps are very simple:
1) Hire a very good PR firm and brief them well about what we want to achieve.
2) Do what they say to create a positive public perception of the industry.
3) After the public image of GA is seen as favourable in the minds of the general public, then "work" with the Politicians and Bureaucrats(god bless them, its a rotten job sometimes) to change things in a "Win/Win" manner.
Any other approach, to put it in pilotspeak, is about as successful as turning back to an airstrip after a low level EFATO.
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PR firms cost money, are you paying Sunfish??
Other than that, GA is more than the PPL. I know of many an instance where GA has been squeezed out of privatised airports.
A GOOD example of a GOOD airport is cairns. A really GOOD example of a really BADLY run airport is bankstown.
I understand the day of action goes well beyong NAS. Please, forget NAS, think of GA
Other than that, GA is more than the PPL. I know of many an instance where GA has been squeezed out of privatised airports.
A GOOD example of a GOOD airport is cairns. A really GOOD example of a really BADLY run airport is bankstown.
I understand the day of action goes well beyong NAS. Please, forget NAS, think of GA
YCKT, I thought that there was this thing called AOPA that had a membership of most GA people that could afford $50,000 or so to get a strategy done by a competent firm.
I agree with you about privatised airports. The owners of those airports are concerned about return on investment, not aircraft, and the minute that the return is higher by building a shopping mall on the site rather than squeezing dollars out of GA folk, then those airports will close for good.
The trick is to form a vision of where GA is going, then put in place strategies to achieve the vision. I assume Bankstown is now prime real estate, as is Moorabbin, as is Essendon. GA needs to come up with a compelling reason why those airports need to stay where they are and convince the owners to accept a lower rate of return, or pay market rates compared to the proverbial shopping mall. Thats the way the market works, end of story.
I agree with you about privatised airports. The owners of those airports are concerned about return on investment, not aircraft, and the minute that the return is higher by building a shopping mall on the site rather than squeezing dollars out of GA folk, then those airports will close for good.
The trick is to form a vision of where GA is going, then put in place strategies to achieve the vision. I assume Bankstown is now prime real estate, as is Moorabbin, as is Essendon. GA needs to come up with a compelling reason why those airports need to stay where they are and convince the owners to accept a lower rate of return, or pay market rates compared to the proverbial shopping mall. Thats the way the market works, end of story.
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SF, it is my understanding that whatever else AOPA may be, flush with funds it most certainly isn't. Nor is it's membership comprised of "most GA people" (as far as I am aware - I stand to be corrected). Have a search of some of the AOPA threads.
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Sunfish
Like your thoughts and I agree, but to expect AOPA to pay for something as you suggest is just absolutely stupid.....
They're to busy infighting presently
but will get back to the real world shortly
please take a number, pay your fees and sit quietly
thankyou
Like your thoughts and I agree, but to expect AOPA to pay for something as you suggest is just absolutely stupid.....
They're to busy infighting presently
but will get back to the real world shortly
please take a number, pay your fees and sit quietly
thankyou
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as we are the "customers" of the CASA. ASA business, why dont we, just like every one else who is a disgruntled cutomer, just refuse to pay, untill such time as the service we are paying for is improved?
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They're to busy infighting presently
but will get back to the real world shortly
please take a number, pay your fees and sit quietly
thankyou
but will get back to the real world shortly
please take a number, pay your fees and sit quietly
thankyou
Not quite where they were when Patroni was President but here's hoping...
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have to now admit that AOPA has been very quiet for some time
(All the election CR@P is still lingering)
I still would be surprised if they would be prepared to pay in any real way.
Govt could take a proportion of their aviation profit and utilse these funds, I would imagine a sizable amount of funding could be generated.
have to now admit that AOPA has been very quiet for some time
(All the election CR@P is still lingering)
I still would be surprised if they would be prepared to pay in any real way.
Govt could take a proportion of their aviation profit and utilse these funds, I would imagine a sizable amount of funding could be generated.
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After all the cr@p of the last decade I think they need to consolidate at the moment. To think they owned their own aircraft and building AND only charged $40 pa once upon a time
As for the govt using funds to promote aviation - check your oxygen, bit of hypoxia there, you're becoming delirious
After all the cr@p of the last decade I think they need to consolidate at the moment. To think they owned their own aircraft and building AND only charged $40 pa once upon a time
As for the govt using funds to promote aviation - check your oxygen, bit of hypoxia there, you're becoming delirious
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Hypoxia??
perhaps not, all things come in cycles, it just takes a change in the way people think and vote.
if you really want that, leverage your vote. every candidate gets $2.60 per primary vote for every vote above a certain percentage (3% I think, but dont quote me).
this pays for their next election. this election will (thankfully) see the Democrats wiped out and probably the Greens and independants holding the balance in the Senate.
now if you vote as far left as possible, then after that vote for who you want in, the lefties may get some funding. either way, ALP or Lib wont. you still get the candidate you want (2nd pref) and send a strong message to whoever that you don't like the econorat user-pays policies of either major.
getting noticed as aviators is what the day of action will be about, GA, RAA or GFA.
perhaps not, all things come in cycles, it just takes a change in the way people think and vote.
if you really want that, leverage your vote. every candidate gets $2.60 per primary vote for every vote above a certain percentage (3% I think, but dont quote me).
this pays for their next election. this election will (thankfully) see the Democrats wiped out and probably the Greens and independants holding the balance in the Senate.
now if you vote as far left as possible, then after that vote for who you want in, the lefties may get some funding. either way, ALP or Lib wont. you still get the candidate you want (2nd pref) and send a strong message to whoever that you don't like the econorat user-pays policies of either major.
getting noticed as aviators is what the day of action will be about, GA, RAA or GFA.