RAAF Tanker Plan???
RAAF Tanker Plan???
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It is obvious that the regional superpowers are gaining a much stronger foothold into SE Asia with them buying Su 30s. (I saw this machine at Singapore airshow and it is a much better platform than the RAAFs FA18). Since the RAAF are prematurely retiring the F111, with persistent profiles the current fleet of 80 to 100 hornets will need 12 to 15 A330 tankers to support them against this superior fighter. - for the doubters - this is obviously due to the realistic nature of network centric warfare!!
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Obviously well researched there Cessnadude!
71 Hornets comprising of 54 single seaters and 17 two seaters.
The JSF will address the SU30 in the coming years (according to defence anyway!) and there is always the option for more tankers in the future as well. I would have thought that five is a more than adequate number for the short to medium term! Then again, I'm certainly no expert on the matters.
71 Hornets comprising of 54 single seaters and 17 two seaters.
The JSF will address the SU30 in the coming years (according to defence anyway!) and there is always the option for more tankers in the future as well. I would have thought that five is a more than adequate number for the short to medium term! Then again, I'm certainly no expert on the matters.
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CessnaDude, you need your own website...
Your posts are a crackup.
I'll agree that the F18 is getting a little old, but all tankers are going to do is let an old aircraft stay in the air longer (3 times longer, if you have your way).
IF the Su 30 is so much better, and IF their pilots are so much better trained, then the 12 or 15 tankers may be a bit lonely up there...
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I'll agree that the F18 is getting a little old, but all tankers are going to do is let an old aircraft stay in the air longer (3 times longer, if you have your way).
IF the Su 30 is so much better, and IF their pilots are so much better trained, then the 12 or 15 tankers may be a bit lonely up there...
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Resident expert Cessnadude;
When was the SU 30 at the Singapore Airshow???
When did we buy more Tupperware jets????
Why is orange jam called marmalade????
Is your old handle Booger????
When was the SU 30 at the Singapore Airshow???
When did we buy more Tupperware jets????
Why is orange jam called marmalade????
Is your old handle Booger????
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Guys,
I was not prepared to give away accurate numbers of assets across the www, miltary secrets should remain so - I spent several years studying RAAF aircraft with the Cadets, however look to the future and we are looking at acquiring 80-100 new fighters. As for 34R's post I recommend you take a trip to the fighterworld museum at Williamtown, they have a viewing deck where you can listen to actual radio transmissions from the jets.... I did this a few years ago on a field trip and saw many more than 15 aircraft fly that day! Back to the discussion at hand, does the Goverment recognise there is currently a Tanker gap and if so why are'nt they trying to address it!
I was not prepared to give away accurate numbers of assets across the www, miltary secrets should remain so - I spent several years studying RAAF aircraft with the Cadets, however look to the future and we are looking at acquiring 80-100 new fighters. As for 34R's post I recommend you take a trip to the fighterworld museum at Williamtown, they have a viewing deck where you can listen to actual radio transmissions from the jets.... I did this a few years ago on a field trip and saw many more than 15 aircraft fly that day! Back to the discussion at hand, does the Goverment recognise there is currently a Tanker gap and if so why are'nt they trying to address it!
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Tankers for the RAAF
Don't forget that the Wedgetails get mighty thirsty also and will want a fair share of the go juice.
But the RAAF has never had to go it alone has it - except for E Timor perhaps.
Don't forget that the Wedgetails get mighty thirsty also and will want a fair share of the go juice.
But the RAAF has never had to go it alone has it - except for E Timor perhaps.
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Cessna, if this isn't a wind up then you need to get some serious lessons on 'reality'.
The information I quoted was available on the web on the RAAF's very own web page. Here, I've even attached the link for you! 
RAAF F/A18 web page
Having had just a little experience with the syllabi that you are talking about, I know the depth of your studies with the cadets. Did you do ARA? From memory, there isn't a lot in there about air power. Thats a whole seperate subject in the MoCT.
Cessna, 34R was being facetious. Obviously gentle sarcasm is lost on you!
Is there a tanker gap? I'm not convinced there is- especially given the types of conflicts that we could be expected to be involved in and the support that would be available for such a conflict.
Secondly, even if there IS a gap, perhaps the cost of addressing the alleged gap is something that the government has in mind. It's all about threat/cost. Isn't a high threat and the cost of these assets is high. Doesn't take long to work that one through.
Seriously cessna, either your winding up or naieve- either way, you've been exposed for one of them.
I was not prepared to give away accurate numbers of assets across the www, miltary secrets should remain so
RAAF F/A18 web page
... spent several years studying RAAF aircraft with the Cadets
Cessna, 34R was being facetious. Obviously gentle sarcasm is lost on you!
does the Goverment recognise there is currently a Tanker gap and if so why are'nt they trying to address it
Secondly, even if there IS a gap, perhaps the cost of addressing the alleged gap is something that the government has in mind. It's all about threat/cost. Isn't a high threat and the cost of these assets is high. Doesn't take long to work that one through.
Seriously cessna, either your winding up or naieve- either way, you've been exposed for one of them.
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I was not prepared to give away accurate numbers of assets across the www, miltary secrets should remain so - I spent several years studying RAAF aircraft with the Cadets, however look to the future and we are looking at acquiring 80-100 new fighters.
As for the JSF - even the announcment of the selection mentioned 100 aircraft, so again its pretty common knowledge.
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CessnaDude, please keep your posts coming!
What security clearance did you get in the Cadets?
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I was not prepared to give away accurate numbers of assets across the www, miltary secrets should remain so - I spent several years studying RAAF aircraft with the Cadets, however look to the future and we are looking at acquiring 80-100 new fighters.
What security clearance did you get in the Cadets?
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never had to go it alone has it - except for E Timor perhaps
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Ha ha ha................
Please excuse me while I wipe a tear from my eye.
This is some seriously funny stuff.
Thanks Cessnadude.
My day is just that little bit brighter because of your posts.
SB
Please excuse me while I wipe a tear from my eye.
This is some seriously funny stuff.
Thanks Cessnadude.
My day is just that little bit brighter because of your posts.
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Wedgetails??? Are they being equipped with an air refueling probe? I don't think so......
I thought it comes down to the quality of the AI RADAR. Helmet-mounted sights, AMRAAMs, etc and all the gucci toys all make a difference too and if it gets beyond that point, then the fight goes to he who gets the first "tally-ho"... at least according to all the fighter-nerd type magazines I've read.
Just like in the "J" hey Di Vosh??
it all comes down to the person flying it
Just like in the "J" hey Di Vosh??
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I thought it comes down to the quality of the AI RADAR. Helmet-mounted sights, AMRAAMs, etc and all the gucci toys all make a difference too
Suggest you stop reading those "fighter pilot nerd magazines" (Flying, Australian Aviation, and anything by Carlo Kopp) as well.