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A work mate of mine is having a lot of trouble with the ATPL systems exam.
I appreciate that it is a S*IT of an exam but any ideas or help others have gained would be appreciated
I appreciate that it is a S*IT of an exam but any ideas or help others have gained would be appreciated
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Hey DD
I am just studying for that exam now. Doing self-study using the Rob Avery books (3 separate parts that cover the syllabus). So far I have found these books very helpful and easy to understand.
Quite a few people I know have done classroom courses for this exam and have found them quite helpful.
I'd suggest the best way to pass the exam is to dedicate 2 weeks full-time to really learn (either self study or a course) the material, going over it again and again if not understood the first time. Don't have any other major commitments during this time (definitely no going to work). Then have the exam booked in at the end of the two weeks so the material is fresh in the mind.
I am just studying for that exam now. Doing self-study using the Rob Avery books (3 separate parts that cover the syllabus). So far I have found these books very helpful and easy to understand.
Quite a few people I know have done classroom courses for this exam and have found them quite helpful.
I'd suggest the best way to pass the exam is to dedicate 2 weeks full-time to really learn (either self study or a course) the material, going over it again and again if not understood the first time. Don't have any other major commitments during this time (definitely no going to work). Then have the exam booked in at the end of the two weeks so the material is fresh in the mind.
DD and NK
I took 3 goes at AGK to pass the exam. I did Robs course about a year ago and found him excellent and always willing to help with any queires.
As most people say It wasn't that I didn't know what was going on but it was the way the questions were put. Over the period of doing the sittings new things kept cropping up which had even Rob trying to find the information.
I suggest you tell your mate DD (if he can/needs to) to do another subject and come back to it fresh. The amount of info to digest can make the brain go stale. He will be surprised how much he remembers.
Finally some things which I found to know really well.(remember it was 12 months ago)
1) Asymetric flight conditions (balanced or not balanced?)
2) Speeds for best Range,Endurance (piston or jet=be careful!)
3) Autoland Annunciations
4) Pressurisation Modes
5) Inner/Outer loop information for AP
6) TCAS/GPWS modes
7) Dispay modes (ie which gives True/Magnetic)
8) Adv/Dis of Battery types
And finally BEST OF LUCK. Failing a few times is not necessarily and indication of your own ability or knowledge.
I took 3 goes at AGK to pass the exam. I did Robs course about a year ago and found him excellent and always willing to help with any queires.
As most people say It wasn't that I didn't know what was going on but it was the way the questions were put. Over the period of doing the sittings new things kept cropping up which had even Rob trying to find the information.
I suggest you tell your mate DD (if he can/needs to) to do another subject and come back to it fresh. The amount of info to digest can make the brain go stale. He will be surprised how much he remembers.
Finally some things which I found to know really well.(remember it was 12 months ago)
1) Asymetric flight conditions (balanced or not balanced?)
2) Speeds for best Range,Endurance (piston or jet=be careful!)
3) Autoland Annunciations
4) Pressurisation Modes
5) Inner/Outer loop information for AP
6) TCAS/GPWS modes
7) Dispay modes (ie which gives True/Magnetic)
8) Adv/Dis of Battery types
And finally BEST OF LUCK. Failing a few times is not necessarily and indication of your own ability or knowledge.
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AFT ( advanced Flight Theory) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its the way to go, its a well set out explanation of the syllabus, with question banks at the end of each subject, it also has practice exams in the back with real CASA questions, in my exam, i reckon i had seen 50% of the questions at least! its a fair bit of money, but worth every penny!
Failing a few times is not necessarily and indication of your own ability or knowledge.
Please God/Allah?Buddah do not let this twit fly an aircraft that I happen to pax on.
Icarus2001
Maybe it came out sounding a little wrong or you miss interpreted what I meant. The point I am trying to make is sometimes you can know a subject inside out however a questions can be misinterpreted due to poorly presented questioning which has been the case in the AGK exam for a while.
The post indicates that this may of been a problem for the guy so a 'keep the chin up' line was in my opinion called for. I am not disputing the fact that having a poor knowledge of a subject is an excuse however outside factors can sometimes have a bearing.
I personally failed twice due to INSUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE of some areas. Yes that is MY fault however I worked my butt off to pass and at the end of the day I feel my knowledge is even better. Unless you get 100% you have knowledge deficit.
While this is a rumour network with sly comments made all the time (no offence taken...it isn't worth the hastle) I have flown plenty of people without a drama and hopefully get to fly with you one day....If my ability is up to scratch that is.
CHEERS
Maybe it came out sounding a little wrong or you miss interpreted what I meant. The point I am trying to make is sometimes you can know a subject inside out however a questions can be misinterpreted due to poorly presented questioning which has been the case in the AGK exam for a while.
The post indicates that this may of been a problem for the guy so a 'keep the chin up' line was in my opinion called for. I am not disputing the fact that having a poor knowledge of a subject is an excuse however outside factors can sometimes have a bearing.
I personally failed twice due to INSUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE of some areas. Yes that is MY fault however I worked my butt off to pass and at the end of the day I feel my knowledge is even better. Unless you get 100% you have knowledge deficit.
While this is a rumour network with sly comments made all the time (no offence taken...it isn't worth the hastle) I have flown plenty of people without a drama and hopefully get to fly with you one day....If my ability is up to scratch that is.
CHEERS
True Icarus, Wouldn't know but if you have then you obviously got thru the experience OK. I guess I did leave a big gap between bat and pad but still it is hard to control the AIP'S
AIP'S (alcahol induced posting syndrome). Its a bit like the morning after regrets.
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G'Day - I agree it's a hard exam. I did it last week and passed with 86%. I did a heap of work for it but found the AFT folder to be very good.
The best advice I could give would be not to know the trial exams like other exams but to understand the concepts of the systems etc.
I can remember a few things from the exam. A few questions on the point of the NTS system in turbo props , where EGT/JPT is measured , where the altitude hold function of a non-glass cockpit gets its info from ( I got this wrong but its the CADS ) , what happens when a Symbol gen fails , what happens to the verlocity , pressure and temp of airflow after it passes a shockwave ( I got expansion but know both ) after engine start in a BGT the bleed valves remain open for taxi and take-off. What would the EGT guage indicate ? ( inc temp ) , what is the purpose of a 'modulator' and in what system is it in (hydraulic and used in antiskid syst ) ah I can't think of anything else yet. If you want more PM me and I will give it a try. Oh yeh , whats the purpose of the Negative Pressure Relief Valve , if you get to the max pressure diff in atuo mode , and you continue climb what will happen ? ie will cabin alt inc ? will the press diff be exceeded ( NO!).
Best of luck and do not give up.
B767MAD.
The best advice I could give would be not to know the trial exams like other exams but to understand the concepts of the systems etc.
I can remember a few things from the exam. A few questions on the point of the NTS system in turbo props , where EGT/JPT is measured , where the altitude hold function of a non-glass cockpit gets its info from ( I got this wrong but its the CADS ) , what happens when a Symbol gen fails , what happens to the verlocity , pressure and temp of airflow after it passes a shockwave ( I got expansion but know both ) after engine start in a BGT the bleed valves remain open for taxi and take-off. What would the EGT guage indicate ? ( inc temp ) , what is the purpose of a 'modulator' and in what system is it in (hydraulic and used in antiskid syst ) ah I can't think of anything else yet. If you want more PM me and I will give it a try. Oh yeh , whats the purpose of the Negative Pressure Relief Valve , if you get to the max pressure diff in atuo mode , and you continue climb what will happen ? ie will cabin alt inc ? will the press diff be exceeded ( NO!).
Best of luck and do not give up.
B767MAD.
