Tiger Moths Tangle at Torquay
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Tiger Moths Tangle at Torquay
On Anzac Day about half an hour before first light two Tiger Moths and an Ag Cat or third Tiger tangled during a formation take-off.
The show must go on however and three aircraft proceeded to Point Danger to overfly the awaiting crowd. As the cloud base was only 300' it was still very dark at first light. All the crowd saw was three sets of exhausts wheeling around low overhead.
After landing back at Torquay damage was assessed at around $100,000 and the insurance company promptly told to cough up.
The operator forgot to mention the incident to CASA however as the chief pilot had left weeks before and a new one had not yet been approved. We await, with interest, further developments.
Anyone else heard anything?
The show must go on however and three aircraft proceeded to Point Danger to overfly the awaiting crowd. As the cloud base was only 300' it was still very dark at first light. All the crowd saw was three sets of exhausts wheeling around low overhead.
After landing back at Torquay damage was assessed at around $100,000 and the insurance company promptly told to cough up.
The operator forgot to mention the incident to CASA however as the chief pilot had left weeks before and a new one had not yet been approved. We await, with interest, further developments.
Anyone else heard anything?
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Gday Over & out
That’s all we need another mob in the area endangering the lives of the public and other airspace users.
Things that come to mind if what you say has the slightest truth.
These aircraft must have the little box in the maintenance release marked night VMC ticked, which would require the necessary lighting.
Were the necessary approvals obtained from CASA to carry out this type of low level manoeuvres over a public gathering, (the local paper claimed over 6000 people).
Why did these pilots continue to fly if the damage was that severe (100 grands worth) an immediate landing would seem appropriate and a major defect report sent off to CASA.
How come these people continue to operate if they don’t have chief pilot, were all those flights private.
100 grands worth of damage and still flying, looking forward to seeing the assessors report.
Gday CS
That’s all we need another smart##se advising us how to operate in our backyard from more than 2500 miles away, there seems to be many experts in the west on how we should conduct ourselves.
We all know what an EXPERT is, an EX is a hasbeen and a SPURT is a little drip under pressure.
Cheers Q
That’s all we need another mob in the area endangering the lives of the public and other airspace users.
Things that come to mind if what you say has the slightest truth.
These aircraft must have the little box in the maintenance release marked night VMC ticked, which would require the necessary lighting.
Were the necessary approvals obtained from CASA to carry out this type of low level manoeuvres over a public gathering, (the local paper claimed over 6000 people).
Why did these pilots continue to fly if the damage was that severe (100 grands worth) an immediate landing would seem appropriate and a major defect report sent off to CASA.
How come these people continue to operate if they don’t have chief pilot, were all those flights private.
100 grands worth of damage and still flying, looking forward to seeing the assessors report.
Gday CS
That’s all we need another smart##se advising us how to operate in our backyard from more than 2500 miles away, there seems to be many experts in the west on how we should conduct ourselves.
We all know what an EXPERT is, an EX is a hasbeen and a SPURT is a little drip under pressure.
Cheers Q
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Hi Cs,
We await with interest further developments because we know further developments are underway and believe they will be appropriate to the infringements committed.
O&O
Hi QNIM,
Seems you know a bit about the local situation here and realize that an accident has been in the making for several years.
Since two of the original directors left due to safety concerns the operation has continued to flaunt the rules and thumb their nose at authority. We\'ll see what authority\'s reply is.
O&O
We await with interest further developments because we know further developments are underway and believe they will be appropriate to the infringements committed.
O&O
Hi QNIM,
Seems you know a bit about the local situation here and realize that an accident has been in the making for several years.
Since two of the original directors left due to safety concerns the operation has continued to flaunt the rules and thumb their nose at authority. We\'ll see what authority\'s reply is.
O&O
QNIM,
CS is right on the money, why do people need to make up a new user ID to make such allegations that they are unable to have the courtesy of saying "Allegedly on Anzac Day about half ...." and exposing the site to liability, or are they willing to put their real name to it.
It may seem to you like good fun for Over & out to provide a less than factual account (about half an hour ....an Ag Cat or third Tiger) of what sounds like a serious allegation, but in my view this is a post to discredit one or more people, not a statement of fact post for other people to learn from. Going by this post, without anything proven, this is highly defamatory.
Been years since I have worked in that area, however if your representative of the local now I don’t want to go back, CS is a true professional, and is well know in the industry for all the right reasons. The remark you made about CS detracts credibility from the rest of your post.
Remember it is good to get the views of people from the wider community; takes out the conflict of interest perception that “local” may have for commercial advantage.
If you or Over & out believe that not all the facts relating to this alleged serious incident have been reported, please submit a CAIR report so some official action can be commenced.
CS is right on the money, why do people need to make up a new user ID to make such allegations that they are unable to have the courtesy of saying "Allegedly on Anzac Day about half ...." and exposing the site to liability, or are they willing to put their real name to it.
It may seem to you like good fun for Over & out to provide a less than factual account (about half an hour ....an Ag Cat or third Tiger) of what sounds like a serious allegation, but in my view this is a post to discredit one or more people, not a statement of fact post for other people to learn from. Going by this post, without anything proven, this is highly defamatory.
Been years since I have worked in that area, however if your representative of the local now I don’t want to go back, CS is a true professional, and is well know in the industry for all the right reasons. The remark you made about CS detracts credibility from the rest of your post.
Remember it is good to get the views of people from the wider community; takes out the conflict of interest perception that “local” may have for commercial advantage.
If you or Over & out believe that not all the facts relating to this alleged serious incident have been reported, please submit a CAIR report so some official action can be commenced.
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Hi swh,
You're right my post is a bit inaccurate.
I don't know exactly how long before first light the alleged incident occurred. I only know it was too dark to distinguish the type of the third aircraft. I also know CASA are aware of the accident and so it will be dealt with as they see fit and hence a CAIR report seems superfluous.
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You're right my post is a bit inaccurate.
I don't know exactly how long before first light the alleged incident occurred. I only know it was too dark to distinguish the type of the third aircraft. I also know CASA are aware of the accident and so it will be dealt with as they see fit and hence a CAIR report seems superfluous.
Over & out
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Keep your personal opinions about an individual to yourself and please try not to engage in such diatribe.
And yes.... as you can see from my profile I'm from the west.
Keep your personal opinions about an individual to yourself and please try not to engage in such diatribe.
And yes.... as you can see from my profile I'm from the west.
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Gday swh
Thanks for the advice on the local scene, and I don’t doubt the professionalism of CS I have read many of his post’s.
Over the years I have had to submit several incident reports, and have never used a CAIR as I’m not afraid to put my name to them, had you been professional enough to keep up with times you would also be aware that CAIR reports no longer exist, suggest you read the last crash comic or pop onto ATSB web site.
I thought this was a rumour network and the rumours regarding this alleged incident/accident are flying around (excuse the pun) our area.
Most of my post’s are done with tongue in cheek and I do have a great sense of humour except when threatened or called naughty names.
So loosen up guys and gals and enjoy the show
Cheers Q
Thanks for the advice on the local scene, and I don’t doubt the professionalism of CS I have read many of his post’s.
Over the years I have had to submit several incident reports, and have never used a CAIR as I’m not afraid to put my name to them, had you been professional enough to keep up with times you would also be aware that CAIR reports no longer exist, suggest you read the last crash comic or pop onto ATSB web site.
I thought this was a rumour network and the rumours regarding this alleged incident/accident are flying around (excuse the pun) our area.
Most of my post’s are done with tongue in cheek and I do have a great sense of humour except when threatened or called naughty names.
So loosen up guys and gals and enjoy the show
Cheers Q
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Hi justapplhere,
Yep you're right.
From what I've seen CASA lack the man power to act. When they do get evidence the DPP refuse to proceed as it's not an open and shut case. There were 6000 witnesses to the low flying over the crowd in non VMC conditions. The job of finding a reputable witness with aviation technical knowledge at least equal to that of the accused who is prepared to testify against them is too hard.
Prompt and firm action only comes as the result of an accident where loss of life has occurred. Meanwhile the rest of us look on at the ever increasing list of breaches and shake our heads, unable to believe they can continue to get away with it.
Over & out
Hi Flyingscarecrow,
Yeah, Good point!
Yep you're right.
From what I've seen CASA lack the man power to act. When they do get evidence the DPP refuse to proceed as it's not an open and shut case. There were 6000 witnesses to the low flying over the crowd in non VMC conditions. The job of finding a reputable witness with aviation technical knowledge at least equal to that of the accused who is prepared to testify against them is too hard.
Prompt and firm action only comes as the result of an accident where loss of life has occurred. Meanwhile the rest of us look on at the ever increasing list of breaches and shake our heads, unable to believe they can continue to get away with it.
Over & out
Hi Flyingscarecrow,
Yeah, Good point!
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Gday All
It is alleged by several witnesses attending the Anzac service that the aircraft were using flashlights to communicate their positions to each other in the dark, this with conditions of heavy rain and low cloud, hope the pilots concerned had their night currency up to date.
Cheers Q
It is alleged by several witnesses attending the Anzac service that the aircraft were using flashlights to communicate their positions to each other in the dark, this with conditions of heavy rain and low cloud, hope the pilots concerned had their night currency up to date.
Cheers Q
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QNIM,
Glad to hear they took the precaution of carrying torches. Without Nav lights it gets pretty hard remaining in formation position in the dark using the exhaust glow as a reference.
O&o
Glad to hear they took the precaution of carrying torches. Without Nav lights it gets pretty hard remaining in formation position in the dark using the exhaust glow as a reference.
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I wonder how the mil fly form in the dark with no nav lights, and they've been at it since even before NVG's were invented.
As for carrying torches, doesn't everybody!
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As for carrying torches, doesn't everybody!
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I only carry a torch if I intend to fly at night.
Maybe that was the intention all along.
As the Anzac flyover is meant to occur at first light you'd need to depart before first light to be there on time.
The trouble is if there's low cloud around it's still not light at official first light. The sunrise tables don't take account of the weather.
I've no idea how the military do it without NVG's or nav lights.
It's probably classified and if the told us they'd have to kill us.
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Maybe that was the intention all along.
As the Anzac flyover is meant to occur at first light you'd need to depart before first light to be there on time.
The trouble is if there's low cloud around it's still not light at official first light. The sunrise tables don't take account of the weather.
I've no idea how the military do it without NVG's or nav lights.
It's probably classified and if the told us they'd have to kill us.
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Gday
It is alleged that the statements regarding the incident sorry I mean the crash involving two aircraft one of which continued to fly off into the darkness reads like a Han Christen Anderson book of short stories. Fairy Tails?
All this without a qualified chief pilot, who it is alleged to have fled interstate some months ago
Waiting with interest to see the insurers report, 100 Grand, not just a little bit of paint off.
Cheers Q
It is alleged that the statements regarding the incident sorry I mean the crash involving two aircraft one of which continued to fly off into the darkness reads like a Han Christen Anderson book of short stories. Fairy Tails?
All this without a qualified chief pilot, who it is alleged to have fled interstate some months ago
Waiting with interest to see the insurers report, 100 Grand, not just a little bit of paint off.
Cheers Q