Cessna Twin SID's
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Cessna Twin SID's
As I understand it, from 31st March 04 all Cessna twins that have a SID will be grounded until they comply with the Cessna Supplimentary Inspection Documentation. From what I understand, this isnt even a mandatory requirement in the US yet, and the FAA is giving Cessna owners till 2005 to comply.
Of course for safety reasons, these SIDS are not a bad idea, but why must they be implemented in Australia by the end of the month. For an aircraft that has not yet had the wing spar mods done, this work is worth between $80k and $100k and will take at least 3-4 weeks. Why not over the course of the next year???
Correct me if I am wrong on any of this - it would make my life a lot easier!!!
How can CASA expect GA owners and operators to cope with this?????
Anyone know any more / different???
Of course for safety reasons, these SIDS are not a bad idea, but why must they be implemented in Australia by the end of the month. For an aircraft that has not yet had the wing spar mods done, this work is worth between $80k and $100k and will take at least 3-4 weeks. Why not over the course of the next year???
Correct me if I am wrong on any of this - it would make my life a lot easier!!!
How can CASA expect GA owners and operators to cope with this?????
Anyone know any more / different???
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So is this newest knee jerk reaction based on any actual findings during the maintenance of actual line use aircraft in OZ or another butt covering exercise ??, just like the R22 MRB scenario ??.
This unreasonable schedule and approach is probably just another way of bringing in some ludicrous maintenance requirement, to appease all and meet the implementation of the SIDs for C300's, they'll come back with an ammended timetable as an "effort" to appease industry, we'll see, there will be lots of operators kicking up, no doubt soon enough it will be required for all aircraft over ten years old.
Have looked at FAA web site for details of theses AD's, it was not listed for C310R, am i missing something ?.
Reading the explanatory letter from CASA suggests that other countries agree, but is the truth that it has infact not been made law ( i.e " I direct you" ) ???.
This unreasonable schedule and approach is probably just another way of bringing in some ludicrous maintenance requirement, to appease all and meet the implementation of the SIDs for C300's, they'll come back with an ammended timetable as an "effort" to appease industry, we'll see, there will be lots of operators kicking up, no doubt soon enough it will be required for all aircraft over ten years old.
Have looked at FAA web site for details of theses AD's, it was not listed for C310R, am i missing something ?.
Reading the explanatory letter from CASA suggests that other countries agree, but is the truth that it has infact not been made law ( i.e " I direct you" ) ???.
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Chef.
Intially al 402s were grounded on tuesday,But now we have three weeks to complete the SIDs program,It normally takes 4 months.It cost a little more than 100k,From experience you wont get much change from 200k.We have 3 C models which have had the SID program completed.We did 2 of the a.c and the 3 was done interstate.
Cessna call it up @ 15000 hours or 20 years.
Wingstrap mods are caried out around the 7000hour mark.
Now someone at CASA have relised that most 402 series a/c are all over 20 years old and there wings are due to fall off.This will be the same for all 300 and 400 series ac in the future.I know of one C model owner whos a/c has only 3000 hours on it,But its more than 20 tears old.
Cessna actually bought back a B amd C model 402 both with close to 20000 hours and pulled them apart and found no major defects in the Fail Safe Areas(wings and empanage)
Funny,theres alot of 30 year old chieftans getting around,There value might go up at the end of the month.
Intially al 402s were grounded on tuesday,But now we have three weeks to complete the SIDs program,It normally takes 4 months.It cost a little more than 100k,From experience you wont get much change from 200k.We have 3 C models which have had the SID program completed.We did 2 of the a.c and the 3 was done interstate.
Cessna call it up @ 15000 hours or 20 years.
Wingstrap mods are caried out around the 7000hour mark.
Now someone at CASA have relised that most 402 series a/c are all over 20 years old and there wings are due to fall off.This will be the same for all 300 and 400 series ac in the future.I know of one C model owner whos a/c has only 3000 hours on it,But its more than 20 tears old.
Cessna actually bought back a B amd C model 402 both with close to 20000 hours and pulled them apart and found no major defects in the Fail Safe Areas(wings and empanage)
Funny,theres alot of 30 year old chieftans getting around,There value might go up at the end of the month.
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these friggen idiots should be made accountable for these no notice, big dollar, airplane and bussiness killing ideas they have.
a week ago I owned an asset, now I own a piece of historical junk...... all at the swipe of pen from some ****** in canberra.
a week ago I owned an asset, now I own a piece of historical junk...... all at the swipe of pen from some ****** in canberra.
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CASA here we go again
A Regional operator has just had a similar problem with CASA regarding 144 monthly checks on their F100s. Fokker and and the regulators in Europe and the FAA all have no problem with extending the shedule.
This is not only frustrating and expensive for the company in question but seems to fly in the face of common sense and harmonisation of the application of our regulations with those of Europe or USA. Isn't that what the CASR excercise is all about?
When are theseers in Canberra ever going to get some common sence or employ someone with the backbone to make a decision instead of all this knee jerk
Here endeth the rant
Regards Prop
This is not only frustrating and expensive for the company in question but seems to fly in the face of common sense and harmonisation of the application of our regulations with those of Europe or USA. Isn't that what the CASR excercise is all about?
When are these
ers in Canberra ever going to get some common sence or employ someone with the backbone to make a decision instead of all this knee jerk Here endeth the rant
Regards Prop
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RFG, if you have any 300/400s, you should have had some info through the mail.
I'm waiting to hear from my LAME to let my know if I have just become the owner of the biggest mail box/jungle jim in the state.
I'm waiting to hear from my LAME to let my know if I have just become the owner of the biggest mail box/jungle jim in the state.
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It's great to see CASA is maintaining an even playing field
1. Lets base our airspace system on the USA model
2. Lets disregard what the FAA decides with regard to life extension programs on aircraft and impose costly changes for the operators and owners controlled by CASA.
NOT
1. Lets base our airspace system on the USA model
2. Lets disregard what the FAA decides with regard to life extension programs on aircraft and impose costly changes for the operators and owners controlled by CASA.
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How long do we have to put up with CASA destroying peoples lives because they don't know what they are doing.
Shut them down and hand it all over to the FAA.
The FAA give their operaters until Dec.2007 to comply with SIDS.
Shut them down and hand it all over to the FAA.
The FAA give their operaters until Dec.2007 to comply with SIDS.
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Yep...
I feared for my safety on completion of that 402C flight that I just did. The aircraft now has around 3100 hours total time and I just felt like the wing would fall off...
Its just not a fair way to go about things.
Its just not a fair way to go about things.
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Wiz of Auz:
That's why I wrote possible, I should have clarified..........
Was looking at a nice 421 from overseas when I read this forum.
The fuselage might make a nice chicken coop for the owner now.....
That's why I wrote possible, I should have clarified..........
Was looking at a nice 421 from overseas when I read this forum.
The fuselage might make a nice chicken coop for the owner now.....
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Here is a copy of the letter and the other that CASA sent with it. Just for light reading..........
http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraf...sids/index.htm
that CASA sent with it. Just for light reading..........http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/aircraf...sids/index.htm
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Thankfully don't own a 402 - but do feel for you guys that do. How can any regulator see the sense in mandating that kind of aog and expenditure on aircraft of that value and expect the (their) industry to remain viable? Oh well, if they carry on like this they wont have much left to regulate. Will Mr Anderson will still need them then?
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Twin Cessna SIDS
I remember some years ago, reading in the crash comic about how these very clever aeronautical engineers, from CASA, or ATSB, (or whatever it was called that week) had discovered a way to safely detect and fix, developing cracks that were threatening the integrity of wings. They heroically advised the americans how to fix their problems. Surely they could not have been wrong.???????
It appears to me that the military, customs, CASA, the airlines,and the Cessna aircraft sellers do not want any of these machines around, and CASA is helping to get rid of them.
The country desperately needs these machines for much needed transport in the outback, where they have not yet built the roads,
but our coastal dwelling administrators do not know, or care about this. So there will be no more development, no more gold mines, oilfields, diamonds, and our population will concentrate around a few regional centres.
Soon GA will only consist of the local flying school, which trains pilots that no-one needs. (we are nearly at that point now)
and our gallant comrades at Qantasflot will have an absolute monopoly, operating a few outback services that no-one can afford. There will be no accidents, because there will be no flying.
It appears to me that the military, customs, CASA, the airlines,and the Cessna aircraft sellers do not want any of these machines around, and CASA is helping to get rid of them.
The country desperately needs these machines for much needed transport in the outback, where they have not yet built the roads,
but our coastal dwelling administrators do not know, or care about this. So there will be no more development, no more gold mines, oilfields, diamonds, and our population will concentrate around a few regional centres.
Soon GA will only consist of the local flying school, which trains pilots that no-one needs. (we are nearly at that point now)
and our gallant comrades at Qantasflot will have an absolute monopoly, operating a few outback services that no-one can afford. There will be no accidents, because there will be no flying.
Would be great if the aviation industry had a group that represented the interests of private pilots, professional pilots and aircraft owners that was a powerful lobby group with the government /CASA.
It would publish a magazine, send out media releases and do its best to get the public to realise how important GA is to everyday life in the part of the country we idolise so much. Above all, politicians and rule makers would listen.
We are a small aviation community at the moment. We need an organisation that represents ALL facets of GA. United we stand.
It would publish a magazine, send out media releases and do its best to get the public to realise how important GA is to everyday life in the part of the country we idolise so much. Above all, politicians and rule makers would listen.
We are a small aviation community at the moment. We need an organisation that represents ALL facets of GA. United we stand.
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And wouldn't it b good if, once we got the group together, they spent more time on the issues at hand, and less time infighting. 
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Anyone have any idea what is happening....ie the latest from Canberra. Seems that this subject has died, particularly when it would appear to effect so many aircraft owners