Cross Company standarising for better safety in the NAS.
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Cross Company standardising for better safety in the NAS.
I know some of you don't like me posting notices like this here but this is important. If you don't think so, I'm sure you will let me know.
Good Morning,
This morning sees Virgin Blue on the news having just avoided a light aircraft in the new airspace - and the Government says it is too early to tell if the airspace needs changing! When will it be the right time, when it's too late?
You can help us live with this system with no system at www.australis.biz/nascomment .
The local operators will meet next week to see if we can decide on a set of standard operating procedures in this airspace with no standards.
We don't have the time or the many lives required to experience all that there is to experience in the N.A.S.
Help us attain a better understanding of the issues out there by sharing yours so we can work towards better safety within our sphere of influence and hopefully convey safety 'systems' even beyond that...
Thank you for your input to this process...
Fly safe,
Gerard P Street
Chief Pilot/Chief Flying Instructor
Air Australia International P/L
Email: [email protected]
Tel: 0419 228 499
Good Morning,
This morning sees Virgin Blue on the news having just avoided a light aircraft in the new airspace - and the Government says it is too early to tell if the airspace needs changing! When will it be the right time, when it's too late?
You can help us live with this system with no system at www.australis.biz/nascomment .
The local operators will meet next week to see if we can decide on a set of standard operating procedures in this airspace with no standards.
We don't have the time or the many lives required to experience all that there is to experience in the N.A.S.
Help us attain a better understanding of the issues out there by sharing yours so we can work towards better safety within our sphere of influence and hopefully convey safety 'systems' even beyond that...
Thank you for your input to this process...
Fly safe,
Gerard P Street
Chief Pilot/Chief Flying Instructor
Air Australia International P/L
Email: [email protected]
Tel: 0419 228 499
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Gday GPS
Why has the ATC Controller concerned been suspended from duty?
I smell a rat.
And tonight seeing the delightful Martin Fergerson sticking his uninformed nose into the debate, the tele was lucky to survive as my cup missed and hit the wall .
It seems interesting that these poli's are supporting pilots, now they are in opposition.
I await the ATSB report with interest.
Cheers Q
Why has the ATC Controller concerned been suspended from duty?
I smell a rat.
And tonight seeing the delightful Martin Fergerson sticking his uninformed nose into the debate, the tele was lucky to survive as my cup missed and hit the wall .
It seems interesting that these poli's are supporting pilots, now they are in opposition.
I await the ATSB report with interest.
Cheers Q
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I too await the ATSB report with interest and my friends in the ATSB have indicated that they have much to say, but as yet have been precluded from the process of the introduction of the NAS - which was not a good move in my opinion.
Unfortunately you can read little into the ATC suspension as it is standard practice until an investigation is finalised.
Look at it this way however, the SIXTH day in... and THIS! Six days!
The Government divert the issue with the airports/national SECURITY issue. How is national security improved with more unknown/unidentified aircraft nearer or indeed over our major cities? Have the Government considered that, I wonder?
However - if we are to live with this mess... we must live with it in the safest way. To all PPRuNers - we have had near misses (in our little company already) and 2 aircraft who did see each other not able to talk to each other. What are your experiences? (Whilst I hold out for change) We must work with the sieve we have, and block as many holes as we can...
Post too at: www.australis.biz/nascomment . I'm afraid an anonymous forum carries little weight, however you can maintain your anonimity at Australis.Biz if you so desire.
Gerard Street
CFI/CP Air Australia
Unfortunately you can read little into the ATC suspension as it is standard practice until an investigation is finalised.
Look at it this way however, the SIXTH day in... and THIS! Six days!
The Government divert the issue with the airports/national SECURITY issue. How is national security improved with more unknown/unidentified aircraft nearer or indeed over our major cities? Have the Government considered that, I wonder?
However - if we are to live with this mess... we must live with it in the safest way. To all PPRuNers - we have had near misses (in our little company already) and 2 aircraft who did see each other not able to talk to each other. What are your experiences? (Whilst I hold out for change) We must work with the sieve we have, and block as many holes as we can...
Post too at: www.australis.biz/nascomment . I'm afraid an anonymous forum carries little weight, however you can maintain your anonimity at Australis.Biz if you so desire.
Gerard Street
CFI/CP Air Australia
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NAS and National Security
Gerard,
Re National security under NAS.
Perhaps the newspapers can run a beat up story.....
"New Aisrpace system allows un announced al-queda C152 to within xx miles of Sydney in the path of a commercial jet"
Thats sure to get a mention on the news text bars !.
Re National security under NAS.
Perhaps the newspapers can run a beat up story.....
"New Aisrpace system allows un announced al-queda C152 to within xx miles of Sydney in the path of a commercial jet"
Thats sure to get a mention on the news text bars !.
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Hi all,
After the first few days of the NAS where it seemed like we were recoiling in shock, the Australis.Biz forum has come alive again with some interesting comment, suggestions and issues to help us in our attempt at cross-company standardisation.
Also a standardisation comment from Dick Smith to help us on our way... Do you think my (emailed and posted) reply was perhaps a little too terse?
Make your input at www.australis.biz/nascomment .
As always, fly safe,
Ged.
Gerard P Street
Chief Pilot/Chief Flying Instructor
Air Australia International P/L
Email: [email protected]
Tel: 0419 228 499
After the first few days of the NAS where it seemed like we were recoiling in shock, the Australis.Biz forum has come alive again with some interesting comment, suggestions and issues to help us in our attempt at cross-company standardisation.
Also a standardisation comment from Dick Smith to help us on our way... Do you think my (emailed and posted) reply was perhaps a little too terse?
Make your input at www.australis.biz/nascomment .
As always, fly safe,
Ged.
Gerard P Street
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Air Australia International P/L
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Why has the ATC Controller concerned been suspended from duty?
Fact, C421 was VFR in E, fact B737 was 400ft and 1 mile by radar from the C421.
The controller told the B737 to maintain FL180; an over service, he'd already passed traffic.
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Really the ultimate next step would be to play them at their own game. It took politics to get this in so does anybody want to run against the politicians and are we going to organise to support and finance them to do it?
Ged...
Fancy the job?
Ged...
Fancy the job?
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Never fancied myself as a politician... and the more I see of and deal with them the less I fancy it!
It is really something that dismays me to see the circus of Parliament. And to know how political manipulation can 'buy' you a position - bringing in the NAS.
The worst of it is though we are pawns in a politcal game which will not bring even the "significant savings"* which was a central 'selling' point and reason for the whole gammit of changes we are in and that are yet to come.
The savings are not there - evidenced by the Air Services advertisment in the Australian Newspaper of 21/11/03 (6 days prior to NAS implementation). The advert reads in part they are requiring: "Air Traffic Controllers and Operational Specialists to Support Business Growth".
Air Services know there will be no staffing savings in this "simpler and more flexible system of airspace"* because it actually takes more staff to run the extra thousands of cubic miles of partially controlled class E airspace, where due to existing low traffic densities, no control was or is necessary!
I am tired of being had!
If it was safer, I'd be for it! If it was less expensive, I'd be for it! If it was less confusing for my students and staff, I'd be for it! If it encouraged my companies customers to fly more often, I'd be for it! If it delivered the prommised significant savings, I'd be for it!
Evidence shows NAS brings nothing of the above!
Gerard Street.
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*quoted from page 4 of: Reference Guide - How to operate in the National Airspace System
It is really something that dismays me to see the circus of Parliament. And to know how political manipulation can 'buy' you a position - bringing in the NAS.
The worst of it is though we are pawns in a politcal game which will not bring even the "significant savings"* which was a central 'selling' point and reason for the whole gammit of changes we are in and that are yet to come.
The savings are not there - evidenced by the Air Services advertisment in the Australian Newspaper of 21/11/03 (6 days prior to NAS implementation). The advert reads in part they are requiring: "Air Traffic Controllers and Operational Specialists to Support Business Growth".
Air Services know there will be no staffing savings in this "simpler and more flexible system of airspace"* because it actually takes more staff to run the extra thousands of cubic miles of partially controlled class E airspace, where due to existing low traffic densities, no control was or is necessary!
I am tired of being had!
If it was safer, I'd be for it! If it was less expensive, I'd be for it! If it was less confusing for my students and staff, I'd be for it! If it encouraged my companies customers to fly more often, I'd be for it! If it delivered the prommised significant savings, I'd be for it!
Evidence shows NAS brings nothing of the above!
Gerard Street.
CFI/CP - Air Australia
We need your help - www.australis.biz/nascomment
*quoted from page 4 of: Reference Guide - How to operate in the National Airspace System
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Gerard please keep up your excellent work. If we keep applying the screws there will surely be a recognition that things are not as rosey as the NAS proponents advise. Those of us who work professionally in this industry accept that change is inevitable, albeit in the right direction. Not this convoluted farce we have presented to us without proper industry input.
Once again well done.
Once again well done.
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Howdy,
For some reason I couldn't post on that web site so I'll put in my 2 cents worth here.
Firstly, I think that NAS has reduced safety.
Why don't we keep NAS, bring back frequency boundries on the charts , make them a bit smaller than they were before (the boundries, not the charts), have an individual frequency for each area and no repeaters. Don't have these 'area frequencies' manned by ATC, let them be a VFR position report freq for G and E.
If you are VFR in G or E you listen and make relevant position reports on it, and if you can cope (toungue in cheek) you could even monitor the freq the IFR's are on.
If you are IFR in E or descending into it you can monitor it and make a call if you want.
Because it is not manned it shouldn't cost too much and won't load up the ATC's anymore.
CTAF's would be 126.7 within these areas so that they are not loaded up with circuit chatter.
Yesterday I trucked along VFR over 200nm of nothing, dutifully listening but not broadcasting on two of three 'appropriate' freq's as I only have two com boxes, switched to CTAF and found out quite a few others had been monitoring but not broadcasting within just a few miles, all inbound to the same 'remote' field but unaware of each other.
Do you IFR folk like the idea of being able to monitor a VFR position reporting channel while in E? It should still afford you the same 'NAS flexability' as well.
Feel free to tell me what I've overlooked, why it wouldn't work etc, for those few of you out there who are so inclined, don't get upset, it's just an idea.
Cheers, cjam
For some reason I couldn't post on that web site so I'll put in my 2 cents worth here.
Firstly, I think that NAS has reduced safety.
Why don't we keep NAS, bring back frequency boundries on the charts , make them a bit smaller than they were before (the boundries, not the charts), have an individual frequency for each area and no repeaters. Don't have these 'area frequencies' manned by ATC, let them be a VFR position report freq for G and E.
If you are VFR in G or E you listen and make relevant position reports on it, and if you can cope (toungue in cheek) you could even monitor the freq the IFR's are on.
If you are IFR in E or descending into it you can monitor it and make a call if you want.
Because it is not manned it shouldn't cost too much and won't load up the ATC's anymore.
CTAF's would be 126.7 within these areas so that they are not loaded up with circuit chatter.
Yesterday I trucked along VFR over 200nm of nothing, dutifully listening but not broadcasting on two of three 'appropriate' freq's as I only have two com boxes, switched to CTAF and found out quite a few others had been monitoring but not broadcasting within just a few miles, all inbound to the same 'remote' field but unaware of each other.
Do you IFR folk like the idea of being able to monitor a VFR position reporting channel while in E? It should still afford you the same 'NAS flexability' as well.
Feel free to tell me what I've overlooked, why it wouldn't work etc, for those few of you out there who are so inclined, don't get upset, it's just an idea.
Cheers, cjam
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Thanks for attempting to post to my site.
Mine is a low tech site as I'm low tech with HTML. The link to send a comment should generate an email to me and I manually post them between flights.
Thanks for the comment - may I cut and paste it in now?
Regards,
Gerard Street
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Mine is a low tech site as I'm low tech with HTML. The link to send a comment should generate an email to me and I manually post them between flights.
Thanks for the comment - may I cut and paste it in now?
Regards,
Gerard Street
www.australis.biz/nascomment
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Hey hombre!!, how goes it all?. Most surprised to see your own name up there.
you owe me a beer........ JB said so!!.
you owe me a beer........ JB said so!!.
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You are always welcome for a beer. Especially if JB says it is so! But I'm gunna have all these people come up to me and say "I am the wizard of auz - buy me a beer!"
You see the situation? - Multiple beers...Not a good financial plan for someone still in GA!
So, who are you?
You see the situation? - Multiple beers...Not a good financial plan for someone still in GA!
So, who are you?
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As if you don't know........
think low level........initial twin in seneca with you and further tin can endo. your boss and me don't get on to well, and you and JB drank all the beer last time I saw you. that aught to make it a bit clearer for ya. oh and theres TAFE as well.
think low level........initial twin in seneca with you and further tin can endo. your boss and me don't get on to well, and you and JB drank all the beer last time I saw you.
that aught to make it a bit clearer for ya. oh and theres TAFE as well.
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Too hard!
You could be 1000 people... this WEEK!
You could even go to my site www.australis.biz and email me from there - if too shy, here.
No name - no claim (to beer).
TTFN.
You could be 1000 people... this WEEK!
You could even go to my site www.australis.biz and email me from there - if too shy, here.
No name - no claim (to beer).
TTFN.
