Who wants a union 4 GA
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Who wants a union 4 GA
So all the time we hear blokes saying they don't get a fair cop on the wages in GA. And the finger pointing is at the fellas who work for nuthin (half the time thats us). So what about a union for GA so we have some say in standards and minimum wages and the like. Some say its been tried before anyone know why it failed?
Seems reasonable to me .........course you always get the blokes who are going to say they don't wanna contribute $5 to fund the thing but these are the ones who let the side down.
So come on lets begin ................arise for battle me fellow proles!
Seems reasonable to me .........course you always get the blokes who are going to say they don't wanna contribute $5 to fund the thing but these are the ones who let the side down.
So come on lets begin ................arise for battle me fellow proles!
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Why start from scratch when you have the AFAP?
They have been looking after GA as well since at least the 60s.
GA is indeed an incredibly crap place to work...until you all join the AFAP and pressure all your flying mates to join...and pressure new hires at your aviation place of work to join...GA will remain the essentially farked unit it is!
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They have been looking after GA as well since at least the 60s.
GA is indeed an incredibly crap place to work...until you all join the AFAP and pressure all your flying mates to join...and pressure new hires at your aviation place of work to join...GA will remain the essentially farked unit it is!
faaarrrkkk!!
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Is there an NZFAP too?Seems that ur AFAP is as much us as tits on a bull given the whine meter readings I'm picking up. But do tell us wat they have achieved as far as serious impact for u blokes how they market themselves, how many members and why the rest don't support the farking thing and themselves?
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Squire, remove head from ass mate, (whine meter comment) the NZ equivalent is NZALPA, they have a dedicated North and South Island rep for GA. Call them and see what YOU can do FOR them. A union is only as strong as the members are willing to be, and always keep in mind if you join, YOU are the union. As for Aussie, one thing I will say, they at least have an award agreement, which is far away more than NZ has. I don't know of how many operators stick to it, but its there. It comes back to us as pilots as you said, and those that will shaft others to get those hours. They dont realise they are only eroding the industry from the bottom, and if you look, you will see it is reaching along way up the ladder, see the requirement for self sponsored jet type ratings now for a glaring example.
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Quite right nosey fully prepared to be the next member first I heard of them send me the website details. As to the whine meter just follow the constant comments or should I say incessant comments of frustrated people in GA. Its a fact no misinterpretation on my part. Hopefully if a few others join we will see them advertising and generally making themselves obvious or perhaps my head really has been in the dark
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I'll take the bait!
Can anyone give us some details of say 3 occasions where the AFAP has achieved ANYTHING for a legitimate GA pilot over the past 5 years?
I can only think of 1 occasion in recent history and that was when the pilot joined the AFAP AFTER he was dismissed.
We need a union that is dedicated to the GA drivers and not being driven by the upper end of town as the AFAP is.........prove me wrong!
I can only think of 1 occasion in recent history and that was when the pilot joined the AFAP AFTER he was dismissed.
We need a union that is dedicated to the GA drivers and not being driven by the upper end of town as the AFAP is.........prove me wrong!
poor oppressed masses
OK, Are there not a set of well established criteria for union pressure to work:
1) Ability to exert commercial pressure on the evil Company/Bosses in a concerted effort
2) Getting the public onside by newsworthy mass action, causes these days have to be televisual
3) No ready alternative source of workforce to substitute for the rioting unwashed
Does anybody think these are possible in GA? To my mind the individual operations are too small and distributed for mass action to be effective. Will a bunch of white shirted guys in ray-bans standing outside the Hangar at Uppercomebackthewest build a media frenzy leading to mass public support? Are there not queues of young bucks who would step into any available seat and damn the consequences?
No, I don't have the answers to the pay/conditions issues in GA, but I am sure unionisation is not it.
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1) Ability to exert commercial pressure on the evil Company/Bosses in a concerted effort
2) Getting the public onside by newsworthy mass action, causes these days have to be televisual
3) No ready alternative source of workforce to substitute for the rioting unwashed
Does anybody think these are possible in GA? To my mind the individual operations are too small and distributed for mass action to be effective. Will a bunch of white shirted guys in ray-bans standing outside the Hangar at Uppercomebackthewest build a media frenzy leading to mass public support? Are there not queues of young bucks who would step into any available seat and damn the consequences?
No, I don't have the answers to the pay/conditions issues in GA, but I am sure unionisation is not it.
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Squire,
NZAlpa 09 523 1191.
Give them call and they will send you out a membership pack, on GA wages the membership fees are 5/8ths of fcuk all. Then get your workmates to join, then ALPA will have a meeting with you and your workmates and nut out what things you might like at your work place and then go and nut it out with your boss (hard part).
You'll never get anywhere if you dont do it collectivly, even if you dont achieve anything while you are there think of the next guy/girl (perhaps a friend of yours) that may benefit. Negotiations are no 5 minute job but if you and your workmates are determined it will happen.
We tried to establish a collective agreement at my last workplace and it ultimatly failed, but Terms and Conditions improved just through the union pointing out that various things the establishment were doing were not correct. (Gee that was a fun time wasn't it Nose Gear!)
Anyway up to you and your workmates.
Have fun, stay safe.
NZAlpa 09 523 1191.
Give them call and they will send you out a membership pack, on GA wages the membership fees are 5/8ths of fcuk all. Then get your workmates to join, then ALPA will have a meeting with you and your workmates and nut out what things you might like at your work place and then go and nut it out with your boss (hard part).
You'll never get anywhere if you dont do it collectivly, even if you dont achieve anything while you are there think of the next guy/girl (perhaps a friend of yours) that may benefit. Negotiations are no 5 minute job but if you and your workmates are determined it will happen.
We tried to establish a collective agreement at my last workplace and it ultimatly failed, but Terms and Conditions improved just through the union pointing out that various things the establishment were doing were not correct. (Gee that was a fun time wasn't it Nose Gear!)
Anyway up to you and your workmates.
Have fun, stay safe.
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So I would say that from what I see and hear is...........union lacks broad acceptance due to the perception by those aviators who say why bother as scabs will take your jobs and then your farked.So why not join with a union that encompasses more than just pilots but includes other essential services , enginneers blah,blah, blah.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
The last bit first,
The ACTU tried for years and years to affiliate with the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (AFAP - the Federation), however the pilots resisted, knowing that THEY would be used too often as the "lynchpin" in grounding flights whenever the ACTU/TWU wanted to bring pressure to bear for say refuellers, cargo loaders, engineers, etc.
There are many instances of the AFAP going to legal battle (at NO cost to the pilots involved) for recovery of unpaid/underpaid wages, unfair dismissal, etc.
There are also AFAP staff who are available pretty much full time, to assist any pilot who THINKS he/she might be getting themself into trouble - or who ends up in the poo, whether it's an incident, accident, or just an argument with the CP or the Boss.
However to get the benefit of this, you MUST be a member.
One of the lesser publicised, but great benefits of being a Federation member is the Loss of Licence Insurance. Under the Mutual Benefit Fund's rules, if you do not have a loss of licence claim during your career you are entitled to a refund of your contributions upon retirement (there is a qualifying period, so it's best to join it as early as possible).
That means that you have had basically FREE cover.
AFAP (03) 9699 4200
email - [email protected]
So why not join with a union that encompasses more than just pilots but includes other essential services , enginneers blah,blah, blah.
Can anyone give us some details of say 3 occasions where the AFAP has achieved ANYTHING for a legitimate GA pilot over the past 5 years?
There are also AFAP staff who are available pretty much full time, to assist any pilot who THINKS he/she might be getting themself into trouble - or who ends up in the poo, whether it's an incident, accident, or just an argument with the CP or the Boss.
However to get the benefit of this, you MUST be a member.
One of the lesser publicised, but great benefits of being a Federation member is the Loss of Licence Insurance. Under the Mutual Benefit Fund's rules, if you do not have a loss of licence claim during your career you are entitled to a refund of your contributions upon retirement (there is a qualifying period, so it's best to join it as early as possible).
That means that you have had basically FREE cover.
AFAP (03) 9699 4200
email - [email protected]
