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flyboyike 6th Nov 2018 21:53


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10303104)
Looks like California Pacific has actually launched:

Still waiting for more info on Moxy and their "innovative approaches" to pilot recruiting. :E


Can't believe Vallas is still alive.

bafanguy 7th Nov 2018 12:57

Moxy presses ahead:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...nserved-routes

havick 7th Nov 2018 19:42


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10304446)

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

bafanguy 8th Nov 2018 08:51


Originally Posted by havick (Post 10304797)
Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

It'll be "innovative" !!! :ok:

bafanguy 14th Dec 2018 16:11

An interview with Neeleman re Moxy. Notice what worries him the most about the startup. Not getting pilots but getting airplanes. I guess he's confident about his "innovative" approach to recruiting pilots:

"So what worries you the most?
Getting the planes."

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/jet...on-new-airline

flensr 4th Jan 2019 05:12

Innovative:

1. We'll hire marginally qualified pilots and pay them only a tiny bit less than the lowest wage paid to pilots who are actually well qualified.
2. We'll hire qualified pilots away from other under-paying airlines by offering a truly competitive market-value wage.

Place your bets!

flyboyike 4th Jan 2019 20:53


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 10351316)
Innovative:

1. We'll hire marginally qualified pilots and pay them only a tiny bit less than the lowest wage paid to pilots who are actually well qualified.
2. We'll hire qualified pilots away from other under-paying airlines by offering a truly competitive market-value wage.

Place your bets!

It's going to be interesting. JetBlue placing an order for the CS...errr...A220 to fly in house is a good sign, indicating that they're not interested in starting a "regional subsidiary". Moxy sounds a bit like Independence Air back in the day, hopefully better run, though.

ironbutt57 21st Jan 2019 22:41

soon enough the pendulum will swing, and the airlines will begin their traditional down swing "right-sizing", and this airline will be in the right position to pick up the small pieces...Neelman is no fool...

ironbutt57 21st Jan 2019 23:02


Originally Posted by havick (Post 10304797)


Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

exactly...

bafanguy 24th Jan 2019 11:29


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 10303796)
Pakistan's AirBlue opening up a U.S. airline? :confused:

Any day now !! The excitement builds ;) :

Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!!

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/airbah...nned-for-2019/





bafanguy 25th Mar 2019 11:24

I suppose this doesn't sound exactly like a "US" start up but they are starting a US base. What airline are they talking about...Norwegian ? I can't keep track of what they're doing:

“First 2 Resource is seeking EASA Licensed B737 Captains & First Officers for our newly established European Client for their Base in Miami for a 6month renewable contract.”


https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/14244.html

SeaArrrrrrJay 25th Mar 2019 19:58


Originally Posted by flyboyike (Post 10352049)
It's going to be interesting. JetBlue placing an order for the CS...errr...A220 to fly in house is a good sign, indicating that they're not interested in starting a "regional subsidiary".

The new JetBlue pilot CBA prohibits regional subsidiaries.

As for Moxy recruiting, they'll probably offer something like stock options to make up for the lower pay.

bafanguy 3rd Apr 2019 11:44

What's this about ? No mention of citizenship or pertinent details:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/1782.html

ShamrockF 3rd Apr 2019 12:35


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10437537)
What's this about ? No mention of citizenship or pertinent details:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/1782.html

Looks like a European charter from a US/Canadian operator. Some US/Canadian airlines provide up to 7 months operations for summer months (e.g. Sunwing / Sun Country). The 8th month would probably be one to get the crew trained up.

bafanguy 3rd Apr 2019 13:53


Originally Posted by ShamrockF (Post 10437584)
Looks like a European charter from a US/Canadian operator.

I don't understand why they just don't say who the airline is. What's the big secret ?

Wouldn't an existing operator just use their existing pilot group for a series of seasonal charters ?

Wouldn't a Canadian operator be looking for Canadian pilots ? Unless they were going to get temporary license validations for FAA licensed pilots to fly C-registered airplanes ?

Sunwing is advertising for pilots but it appears to be the permanent variety:

"A career at Sunwing Airlines means you can be the difference by joining a dedicated and caring team that is part of North America’s largest vertically integrated travel company. Sunwing is a large airline, with a close sense of community which will make you love going to work everyday! "

https://jobs.jobvite.com/sunwing/job/oVrE9fwT

bafanguy 3rd Apr 2019 16:15

And they just keep coming. Here's the latest. While I don't think they'll have much trouble finding pilots, it's a bold move for experienced people to leave a secure gig and roll the dice on a start up. It's paid off for some over the years but smallish numbers in the Big Scheme of things. These ventures are fun to watch:

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.t...-in-the-making

ShamrockF 4th Apr 2019 12:47


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10437655)
Wouldn't an existing operator just use their existing pilot group for a series of seasonal charters ?

That's my understanding too. Perhaps they just can't get pilots from the US to work on the European summer leases. It might be cheaper for them to get FAA qualified pilots and simply give them a European base. This could save them money on positioning and relocation allowances.

bafanguy 4th Apr 2019 20:36


Originally Posted by ShamrockF (Post 10438573)
Perhaps they just can't get pilots from the US to work on the European summer leases.

The ad is intriguing but doesn't have enough info to tell what's going on. I suppose they'll find all the pilots they need but how many freelance FAA B737-800 F/Os are floating around looking for short term employment in the current US hiring environment ?

N-registered airplanes ? I assume they are.

Still like to know who the company is.

ShamrockF 5th Apr 2019 09:44


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10439086)
Still like to know who the company is.

My guess is Sun Country. They've added new aircraft and have a new owner who has an eye for cutting costs. If they make this work I reckon it would be cheaper than sending MSP based crew over for 7 months.

bafanguy 5th Apr 2019 10:04


Originally Posted by ShamrockF (Post 10439563)
My guess is Sun Country. They've added new aircraft and have a new owner who has an eye for cutting costs.

Could be, I guess. They are represented by ALPA but I don't know if their contract has scope restrictions that would allow something like the operation mentioned in the ad. And they only advertised for FOs so where are the captains coming from ?:

Sun Country - ALPA


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