Foreign Pilot Agency Promising Visas
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Has anyone any more information on how these agencies are operating?
OMS PILOT RECRUITMENT PROGRAM
In 2016, Overseas Manpower Solutions (OMS) launched a foreign recruitment program designed to alleviate pilot shortages within the domestic aviation market. Recruiting both helicopter and fixed wing jet pilots, we are using our recruiting and in-house immigration expertise to deliver highly trained, experienced, fully licensed and 1-9 compliant pilots to U.S. aviation clients. Building on 15 years of experience successfully recruiting foreign healthcare workers, we developed this program to address a market need that has resulted in several high profile airline bankruptcies, a direct result of pilot shortages.
THE PROCESS
• OMS recruits, screens and checks references of foreign pilots with a minimum of 1500 documented flight hours.
• Eligible pilots must have ATP, and must have English proficiency.
• OMS manages the contracting process and ensures that all required contracts are executed properly.
• OMS arranges for interviews so each client can assess the selected pilots and make a final hiring decision.
• OMS completes all immigration processing (green card - permanent residency) on behalf of the pilot/client to ensure that each pilot meets 1-9 compliance and can legally work in the U.S.
To participate in the foreign pilot recruitment program, pilot candidates will need to complete the following steps:
Email CV for review;
Pilot must submit all requested documentation;
OMS Interview;
Interview with airline company recruiter;
If pilot is offered a position by airline, pilot signs a contract with OMS requiring an upfront payment to OMS of $3,000 followed by 48 monthly payments of $800 (total $38,400) which commence when pilot begins working for the airline.
The legal/immigration process will take approximately 12-18 months to complete.
When pilot starts work, pilot starts making the monthly payments described above to OMS.
OMS PILOT RECRUITMENT PROGRAM
In 2016, Overseas Manpower Solutions (OMS) launched a foreign recruitment program designed to alleviate pilot shortages within the domestic aviation market. Recruiting both helicopter and fixed wing jet pilots, we are using our recruiting and in-house immigration expertise to deliver highly trained, experienced, fully licensed and 1-9 compliant pilots to U.S. aviation clients. Building on 15 years of experience successfully recruiting foreign healthcare workers, we developed this program to address a market need that has resulted in several high profile airline bankruptcies, a direct result of pilot shortages.
THE PROCESS
• OMS recruits, screens and checks references of foreign pilots with a minimum of 1500 documented flight hours.
• Eligible pilots must have ATP, and must have English proficiency.
• OMS manages the contracting process and ensures that all required contracts are executed properly.
• OMS arranges for interviews so each client can assess the selected pilots and make a final hiring decision.
• OMS completes all immigration processing (green card - permanent residency) on behalf of the pilot/client to ensure that each pilot meets 1-9 compliance and can legally work in the U.S.
To participate in the foreign pilot recruitment program, pilot candidates will need to complete the following steps:
Email CV for review;
Pilot must submit all requested documentation;
OMS Interview;
Interview with airline company recruiter;
If pilot is offered a position by airline, pilot signs a contract with OMS requiring an upfront payment to OMS of $3,000 followed by 48 monthly payments of $800 (total $38,400) which commence when pilot begins working for the airline.
The legal/immigration process will take approximately 12-18 months to complete.
When pilot starts work, pilot starts making the monthly payments described above to OMS.
OMS PILOT RECRUITMENT PROGRAM
I have no idea how this immigration/visa stuff works. Any idea for which operators this OMS is recruiting ?
The price tag for those recruited seems pretty high. I'd think the jobs would have to pay pretty well to afford the agency fees for 4 years and live. That might be tough on the first few years of regional pay for example.
The price tag for those recruited seems pretty high. I'd think the jobs would have to pay pretty well to afford the agency fees for 4 years and live. That might be tough on the first few years of regional pay for example.
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This sounds suspect to me (and I've checked out the OMS website). I know several foreign nurses who have been attracted to the U.S. by similar agencies but there were no fees involved on their part; they were RN's, mostly speacialized and recruited to fill positions where there was a genuine and dire shortage of skills. They didn't require TSA background checks or similar and were able to start work almost right away once they were admitted. They made good money too and as mentioned, paying back $800 a month on top of rent and living expenses, a car etc on what is presumably an entry level regional F/O paycheck won't leave you with much. Pompano Beach is where American Flyers had their international pilot program. I wonder if there's a connection?
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That the agency is charging pilots means the airlines aren't willing to foot the bill -- so the agency is basically operating independently of the airlines, perhaps simply passing through candidate resumes "on speculation".
From the description it sounds like the agency will apply for H1B visas on behalf of the pilots (which in itself is an interesting side effect of the 1,500 hour rule.) From the other thread we can see that there are only a handful of pilots granted H1B visas each year, and Trump has promised to restrict / revamp this visa category even more.
From the description it sounds like the agency will apply for H1B visas on behalf of the pilots (which in itself is an interesting side effect of the 1,500 hour rule.) From the other thread we can see that there are only a handful of pilots granted H1B visas each year, and Trump has promised to restrict / revamp this visa category even more.
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It smells like a S-C-A-M! Don't let SJS (shiny jet syndrome) influence your decisions. There IS NOT a pilot shortage in the U.S. There is, however, a shortage of pilots willing to work for peanuts at a regional airline.
If our airlines were truly short of pilots, they would sponsor applicants for a visa.
S-C-A-M
If our airlines were truly short of pilots, they would sponsor applicants for a visa.
S-C-A-M
It smells like a S-C-A-M! Don't let SJS (shiny jet syndrome) influence your decisions. There IS NOT a pilot shortage in the U.S. There is, however, a shortage of pilots willing to work for peanuts at a regional airline.
If our airlines were truly short of pilots, they would sponsor applicants for a visa.
S-C-A-M
If our airlines were truly short of pilots, they would sponsor applicants for a visa.
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Eaglejet international
I noticed a program for Australians only(I. E. E3 visa) 1000 TT in the US through eagle Jet interview. Does anyone know if this is legitimate?
Might be a similar to he above program
Might be a similar to he above program
So far the only fixed wing operators I now of offering E3 jobs to Aussies are Skywest, Piedmont, I've also heard republic and a handful of firefighting operations running air tractors where the pilot meets all the carding requirements for USFS contracts.
I'm all for taking opportunities that give you a leg up, but don't delude yourself into thinking there's a way around meeting the minimum ATP hours. You'll find yourself throwing away good money chasing a unicorn. Just build the time you need and then apply to a regional that will take on an E3.
If you're really that desperate to fly for a regional in he US you'd be better off finding the cheapest 152 you can find and fly the 100 night hours that you're missing (that you PM'd me about). Far more sound investment than rolling the dice with some flaky recruitment placement outfit.
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Thanks for the advice Havick. I am getting a little night in OZ but very slow and 200 odd short on TT. I guess the latest visa/immigration talk from the states has a lot of us not knowing whether the E3 will be around or not in the near future.
If they end up cancelling the E3 (I doubt they will), then either way you would end up having to go home even if you were over here on an E3.
With the current executive order that was just signed, even green card holders that were from one of the 7 countries listed that were outside of the the US when the order was signed are now left high and dry and are now stuck outside of the US.
Given that you would be flying outside of the US for a regional, if they pulled the E3 then you would have to pack your bags and go home and lose your ability to work in the US. So rushing in now to get an E3 won't protect you in the future if they change the rules.
With the current executive order that was just signed, even green card holders that were from one of the 7 countries listed that were outside of the the US when the order was signed are now left high and dry and are now stuck outside of the US.
Given that you would be flying outside of the US for a regional, if they pulled the E3 then you would have to pack your bags and go home and lose your ability to work in the US. So rushing in now to get an E3 won't protect you in the future if they change the rules.
havick,
Re Eaglejet and their E-3 program as mentioned above that, since Ameriflight is a Part 135 operator, they're getting people in under §135.245 Second in command qualifications ? I'm not familiar with Part 135 but see that:
"...no certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as second in command of an aircraft unless that person holds at least a commercial pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and an instrument rating."
This would preclude the 1500 hrs ATP thing.
And that 1,000 hours is a number Eaglejet has come up with vs FAR required ?
Or maybe this from the Ameriflight website ?:
Part 135 Captain with Ameriflight Waiver:
1,000 TT, 400 XC (defined as point to point), 70 instrument (actual or simulated, 40 must be in flight in airplanes), 80 night
Commercial Pilot License with multi-engine land and instrument rating or an Airline Transport Pilot License
English Proficient
High Performance and Complex logbook endorsements
FAA Medical, First or Second Class
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit
Current Passport
Eligible to work in the United States
Valid driver’s license
Must be able to lift a minimum of 75 lbs.
I plead total ignorance ! ;-))
Re Eaglejet and their E-3 program as mentioned above that, since Ameriflight is a Part 135 operator, they're getting people in under §135.245 Second in command qualifications ? I'm not familiar with Part 135 but see that:
"...no certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as second in command of an aircraft unless that person holds at least a commercial pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and an instrument rating."
This would preclude the 1500 hrs ATP thing.
And that 1,000 hours is a number Eaglejet has come up with vs FAR required ?
Or maybe this from the Ameriflight website ?:
Part 135 Captain with Ameriflight Waiver:
1,000 TT, 400 XC (defined as point to point), 70 instrument (actual or simulated, 40 must be in flight in airplanes), 80 night
Commercial Pilot License with multi-engine land and instrument rating or an Airline Transport Pilot License
English Proficient
High Performance and Complex logbook endorsements
FAA Medical, First or Second Class
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit
Current Passport
Eligible to work in the United States
Valid driver’s license
Must be able to lift a minimum of 75 lbs.
I plead total ignorance ! ;-))
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There are many Part 135 cargo ops on small planes which only require a commercial certificate. For these, you only need 500 hours TT to serve as a PIC in VFR conditions, or 1,200 hours to serve as PIC in IFR conditions. See 135.243 for details.
Ameriflight requested relief from the 1,200 hrs IFR requirement for certain ops. They proposed a modest reduction in hours (to 1,000 hrs) but in return the flights will only be authorized when the weather is forecast to be at least Marginal VFR (ceiling > 1000 ft, visibility > 3 miles, etc.) Pilots operating under the waiver will only be allowed to operate small non-type rated aircraft, carry no passengers, and have some other restrictions placed on them (e.g., no night circling approaches). They are also subject to additional training and check rides.
I believe they mainly use this waiver as a bridge for pilots who participated in their SIC program (to 1000 hrs) since they will be 200 hrs short of the full 135.243 requirements.
Ameriflight requested relief from the 1,200 hrs IFR requirement for certain ops. They proposed a modest reduction in hours (to 1,000 hrs) but in return the flights will only be authorized when the weather is forecast to be at least Marginal VFR (ceiling > 1000 ft, visibility > 3 miles, etc.) Pilots operating under the waiver will only be allowed to operate small non-type rated aircraft, carry no passengers, and have some other restrictions placed on them (e.g., no night circling approaches). They are also subject to additional training and check rides.
I believe they mainly use this waiver as a bridge for pilots who participated in their SIC program (to 1000 hrs) since they will be 200 hrs short of the full 135.243 requirements.
pk4,
My understanding is that a few Aussies have come thru the Eaglejet program to Ameriflight. I guess it's easier for Ameriflight to use a system administered by a 3rd party than run the immigration/visa gauntlet themselves ? The lower time requirements of Part 135 appear to be advantage of the visa seekers.
I've not heard of any other TP freight feeders availing themselves of the E-3 program.
My understanding is that a few Aussies have come thru the Eaglejet program to Ameriflight. I guess it's easier for Ameriflight to use a system administered by a 3rd party than run the immigration/visa gauntlet themselves ? The lower time requirements of Part 135 appear to be advantage of the visa seekers.
I've not heard of any other TP freight feeders availing themselves of the E-3 program.
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Yes I've heard that Eaglejet is recruiting Australians with 1,000 TT but I don't know if anyone has actually been hired this way, or what kind of visa arrangements they might have. It's possible that Eaglejet is simply passing qualified resumes/CVs to Ameriflight or others.
Review of online immigration databases for E3 visas yield no results for Eaglejet nor Ameriflight, though it's possible that these public databases may not be 100% up to date.
Review of online immigration databases for E3 visas yield no results for Eaglejet nor Ameriflight, though it's possible that these public databases may not be 100% up to date.
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Yes I've heard that Eaglejet is recruiting Australians with 1,000 TT but I don't know if anyone has actually been hired this way, or what kind of visa arrangements they might have. It's possible that Eaglejet is simply passing qualified resumes/CVs to Ameriflight or others.
Review of online immigration databases for E3 visas yield no results for Eaglejet nor Ameriflight, though it's possible that these public databases may not be 100% up to date.
Review of online immigration databases for E3 visas yield no results for Eaglejet nor Ameriflight, though it's possible that these public databases may not be 100% up to date.
Let's just hope Trump doesn't mess around with E-3.
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Any update on this? Is the E-3 visa still available? Also to other nationalities than Australia?
The EB-3 visa might be an option for every other national (?).
https://aerocrewnews.com/education-2...-the-messenger
The EB-3 visa might be an option for every other national (?).
The E-3 visa is a non-immigrant visa classification that applies only to Australian nationals, their spouses and children. In order to qualify for this visa, the applicant must have a job offer, be qualified for the position, and the position must be a specialty professional one.
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