US Regional Headhunting
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The federal government is hard at work solving the pilot shortage by reintroducing a bill from last year. By producing regional pilot candidates from the look of the thumbnail sketch of the bill:
"Democrat Tammy Baldwin, along with Sen. John Hoewven, R-N.D., has reintroduced the American Aviator Act that would offer funding for veterans to train to become airline pilots."
“Veterans participating in the program will receive flight training necessary to become a commercial pilot and receive other certifications, including to work as a certified flight instructor,” Baldwin said in a news release.
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/...-for-veterans/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/3322/text
(b) Eligible entity.—For purposes of this section, the term “eligible entity” means a pilot school that—
(1) holds a training certificate under part 141 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
(2) has an established employment pathway with at least one commercial air carrier operating under part 121 or 135 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.
How is this different from the DOT's Forces to Flyers program ? Which has produced all of 44 students ?:
January 2019 Update
The 44 slots for veterans to participate have all been filled and the participants have begun their training to become commercial airline pilots. There are no slots available for additional participants.
https://www.volpe.dot.gov/forcestoflyers
"Democrat Tammy Baldwin, along with Sen. John Hoewven, R-N.D., has reintroduced the American Aviator Act that would offer funding for veterans to train to become airline pilots."
“Veterans participating in the program will receive flight training necessary to become a commercial pilot and receive other certifications, including to work as a certified flight instructor,” Baldwin said in a news release.
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/...-for-veterans/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/3322/text
(b) Eligible entity.—For purposes of this section, the term “eligible entity” means a pilot school that—
(1) holds a training certificate under part 141 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
(2) has an established employment pathway with at least one commercial air carrier operating under part 121 or 135 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.
How is this different from the DOT's Forces to Flyers program ? Which has produced all of 44 students ?:
January 2019 Update
The 44 slots for veterans to participate have all been filled and the participants have begun their training to become commercial airline pilots. There are no slots available for additional participants.
https://www.volpe.dot.gov/forcestoflyers
Last edited by bafanguy; 20th Oct 2019 at 15:47.
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Originally Posted by havick
44 slots is pretty useless when most regionals are hiring more than that in a single class.
(g) Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there is authorized to be appropriated $5,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2019 through 2021.
Originally Posted by bafanguy
Yep. I wonder how many the American Aviator Act (S.3322) could produce for $5M/year:
(g) Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there is authorized to be appropriated $5,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2019 through 2021.
(g) Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there is authorized to be appropriated $5,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2019 through 2021.
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Originally Posted by havick
still it’s better than nothing for a lucky few, I bet they appreciate the leg up.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Yep. I wonder how many the American Aviator Act (S.3322) could produce for $5M/year:
(g) Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there is authorized to be appropriated $5,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2019 through 2021.
(g) Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there is authorized to be appropriated $5,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2019 through 2021.
In 40-50 yrs they’ll cover a year’s worth of major airline pilot demand.
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[Sun Country isn't a regional but I don't know where else to put news about them]
I see that Sun Country is now advertising a “Paid ATP-CPT certification” for new hires:
Sun Country Benefits ? Become a Sun Country Pilot
This is a bit confusing as their airlineapps.com page lists an ATP as a "minimum" requirement:
"Minimum qualifications
Certification requirements:
• FAA issued Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Airplane Multiengine Land certification"
https://www.airlineapps.com/jobs/det...=First-Officer
Why are they offering the ATP-CTP if applicants must already have the ATP ?
They also say “Legal right to work in the United States” which doesn't tell a whole lot. So the next question is: any chance of E3s ?
I see that Sun Country is now advertising a “Paid ATP-CPT certification” for new hires:
Sun Country Benefits ? Become a Sun Country Pilot
This is a bit confusing as their airlineapps.com page lists an ATP as a "minimum" requirement:
"Minimum qualifications
Certification requirements:
• FAA issued Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Airplane Multiengine Land certification"
https://www.airlineapps.com/jobs/det...=First-Officer
Why are they offering the ATP-CTP if applicants must already have the ATP ?
They also say “Legal right to work in the United States” which doesn't tell a whole lot. So the next question is: any chance of E3s ?
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I love your snooping BG.
On this website https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...untry_airlines there is no mention of the ATP requirement.
Possibly some of the lowest (advertised) minimums out there. Goes hand in hand with not cracking $100 per hour for the first 8 years.
Also states that contract is ammendable in Nov 2020.... Likely see a pay bump there I guess.
And yes, an excellent question. Do they take E3s? Well the floodgates are just opening up with Southern and Atlas...... So who will fall next in allowing the Australian scurge to fly in the US?
On this website https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...untry_airlines there is no mention of the ATP requirement.
Possibly some of the lowest (advertised) minimums out there. Goes hand in hand with not cracking $100 per hour for the first 8 years.
Also states that contract is ammendable in Nov 2020.... Likely see a pay bump there I guess.
And yes, an excellent question. Do they take E3s? Well the floodgates are just opening up with Southern and Atlas...... So who will fall next in allowing the Australian scurge to fly in the US?
Originally Posted by RamSRQ
Right to work is right to work - the only question is getting your certs. co-validated. You could then work anywhere, without being tied to a specific company.
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Originally Posted by Professional Amateur
I love your snooping BG. And yes, an excellent question. Do they take E3s?
We can get kinda snoopy here at The Olde Pilot Home.
Someone will have to contact Sun Country and ask about the E3 issue.
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Mesa Airlines cadet program. Not sure if this is new or has been around a while...can't remember. Click on the picture for more details:
Mesa Air Group
Mesa Air Group
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Piedmont Cadet Program. A little cash to grease the skids ?:
Piedmont Airlines Cadet Program
News article dated Oct.31:
Piedmont Airlines Launches New Cadet Pilot Program
Piedmont Airlines Cadet Program
News article dated Oct.31:
Piedmont Airlines Launches New Cadet Pilot Program
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Air Wisconsin has a new pilot labor contract. It'll be interesting to see if the change to pay structure, apparently eliminating sign-on bonuses, has any effect on recruiting:
“The new agreement converts one-time bonus payments previously offered by management into permanent pay rate increases…”
Air Wisconsin Pilots Approve New Contract | Aero-News Network
“The new agreement converts one-time bonus payments previously offered by management into permanent pay rate increases…”
Air Wisconsin Pilots Approve New Contract | Aero-News Network
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Air Wisconsin has a new pilot labor contract. It'll be interesting to see if the change to pay structure, apparently eliminating sign-on bonuses, has any effect on recruiting:
“The new agreement converts one-time bonus payments previously offered by management into permanent pay rate increases…”
“The new agreement converts one-time bonus payments previously offered by management into permanent pay rate increases…”
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Originally Posted by Michael Nowakowski
The sign-on bonuses have not been removed and the new TA does not have pay rates reflecting as such.
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Didn't notice this before but Piedmont advertising for DECs. Not sure when it first appeared on their pilot hiring page:
"20 DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAIN positions now available. Pilots who meet all 121 captain requirements may be eligible to receive an industry and wholly-owned competitive DEC bonus. The additional DEC bonus would be $15,000 on top of the $18,000 new hire pilot bonus.
Apply before Dec. 31 at AirlineApps.com"
Piedmont Airlines Pilot Careers
"20 DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAIN positions now available. Pilots who meet all 121 captain requirements may be eligible to receive an industry and wholly-owned competitive DEC bonus. The additional DEC bonus would be $15,000 on top of the $18,000 new hire pilot bonus.
Apply before Dec. 31 at AirlineApps.com"
Piedmont Airlines Pilot Careers
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Hawaiian Airlines Pilot Pathway Program ? How many people can they get with this idea ?:
"Candidates hired through Hawaiian’s Pilot Pathway Aircrew Instructor program will deliver fleet and ground training to pilots while helping develop courses for Flight Standards & Qualification activities. After one year on the job, instructors will be guaranteed a first officer interview during the next available hiring period."
https://worldairlinenews.com/2019/12...thway-program/
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"Candidates hired through Hawaiian’s Pilot Pathway Aircrew Instructor program will deliver fleet and ground training to pilots while helping develop courses for Flight Standards & Qualification activities. After one year on the job, instructors will be guaranteed a first officer interview during the next available hiring period."
https://worldairlinenews.com/2019/12...thway-program/
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