BOEING CLAIMS PILOT SHORTAGE LOOMS
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BOEING CLAIMS PILOT SHORTAGE LOOMS
Airlines face a pilot shortage, Boeing report says
MIAMI — Airlines will need nearly half a million new commercial pilots worldwide by 2032 as they expand their fleets, an industry forecast released today predicts.
Boeing, the Chicago-based airline manufacturer, said today that airlines will have to hire 498,000 pilots — about 25,000 each year — to support all the new aircraft they are expected to add to their fleets over the next two decades. They also will need 556,000 new maintenance technicians, or about 28,000 a year.
Boeing's outlook, released today during the launch of the 787 flight training center at its campus here, predicts demand for pilots will grow in all regions except for Europe. The projected increase in pilot demand is greater than what Boeing had indicated in previous forecasts. It is particularly driven by airlines' interest in single-aisle aircraft, the company said.
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But other factors are coming into play, analysts say. Thousands of pilots are retiring this year just as the Federal Aviation Administration is introducing new rules requiring new training and more rest in between flights.
The FAA announced a new rule last month requiring co-pilots, or first officers, to get 1,500 hours of flight time for their certification, up from 250 hours.
Starting next year, the minimum rest period before a pilot's flight duty will increase from eight hours to 10 and must include the ability to get eight hours of sleep in a row.
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MIAMI — Airlines will need nearly half a million new commercial pilots worldwide by 2032 as they expand their fleets, an industry forecast released today predicts.
Boeing, the Chicago-based airline manufacturer, said today that airlines will have to hire 498,000 pilots — about 25,000 each year — to support all the new aircraft they are expected to add to their fleets over the next two decades. They also will need 556,000 new maintenance technicians, or about 28,000 a year.
Boeing's outlook, released today during the launch of the 787 flight training center at its campus here, predicts demand for pilots will grow in all regions except for Europe. The projected increase in pilot demand is greater than what Boeing had indicated in previous forecasts. It is particularly driven by airlines' interest in single-aisle aircraft, the company said.
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But other factors are coming into play, analysts say. Thousands of pilots are retiring this year just as the Federal Aviation Administration is introducing new rules requiring new training and more rest in between flights.
The FAA announced a new rule last month requiring co-pilots, or first officers, to get 1,500 hours of flight time for their certification, up from 250 hours.
Starting next year, the minimum rest period before a pilot's flight duty will increase from eight hours to 10 and must include the ability to get eight hours of sleep in a row.
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Here's a fact: Many US regional airline pilots qualify for public assistance.
Here's another fact: All of those regional airlines have far more applicants then jobs.
When you have an employer paying a salary that qualifies the employees for welfare, yet you have pilots lining up to get other jobs, you don't have a pilot shortage, not by any reasonable definition of the word "shortage".
Now, when the low-paying airlines start parking planes because they can't get pilots to fly them, or they start dramatically improving pay and working conditions because nobody is applying for their welfare level jobs *then* you might say that there's a start of a pilot shortage.
Until that happens, there's no shortage.
Here's another fact: All of those regional airlines have far more applicants then jobs.
When you have an employer paying a salary that qualifies the employees for welfare, yet you have pilots lining up to get other jobs, you don't have a pilot shortage, not by any reasonable definition of the word "shortage".
Now, when the low-paying airlines start parking planes because they can't get pilots to fly them, or they start dramatically improving pay and working conditions because nobody is applying for their welfare level jobs *then* you might say that there's a start of a pilot shortage.
Until that happens, there's no shortage.
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At my airline we have cancellations due to no crew with some regularity. That being said, we are still (especially for a regional) fairly selective with our applicants, not least because of the new laws requiring an ATP, 1,500 hours and all that.
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This is simple really, where and when you see T&C'S being increased to attract suitable candidates (not due to a work action/stoppage or as a result of a contract re-negotiation) then there is a shortage. No improvement of pay and conditions? No shortage
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Well I stand corrected on the cancellations, then Flyboyike. However, not to disparage your employer in any way, but given that it's a regional, I'll bet that they aren't offering a compensation like Fed-ex's. If they were, I'd bet they'd have no problem filling the seats.
"Shortage of pilots with the qualifications we want, willing to accept what we're offering currently" is a different animal from a real shortage of pilots. That's my only point. I think sometimes people don't realize the distinction.
"Shortage of pilots with the qualifications we want, willing to accept what we're offering currently" is a different animal from a real shortage of pilots. That's my only point. I think sometimes people don't realize the distinction.
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True enough, certainly FedEx will never see a shortage, especially given that their growth on the air side of things will probably be pretty insignificant going forward.
My point was that, despite staffing challenges, we're still turning people away, when the interviewers feel they're not up to our standards (rightly or wrongly), which means that even with our pay being less than outstanding we still have more applicants than we're willing to hire, which came as a surprise to me, if I'm entirely honest. I would have thought the pool would have pretty well dried up by now.
My point was that, despite staffing challenges, we're still turning people away, when the interviewers feel they're not up to our standards (rightly or wrongly), which means that even with our pay being less than outstanding we still have more applicants than we're willing to hire, which came as a surprise to me, if I'm entirely honest. I would have thought the pool would have pretty well dried up by now.
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The Dominican hits the nail on the head.
This kind of statements are...an advertisement to make pure marketing and support for schools in addition to support themselves the manufacturer called Boeing or Air Bus.
This kind of statements are...an advertisement to make pure marketing and support for schools in addition to support themselves the manufacturer called Boeing or Air Bus.
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saudipc-9 :
You are the ONLY person on this forum that needs convincing that a Pilot shortage in the US or Europe is FAR FROM imminent.
Regional airline T & Cs in both the US and Europe are shocking ! Y is this so ?
Oversupply and no serious demand !
We a seeing a similar trend in South Africa. Domestic and Regional airline pay is NOT keeping up with the rising cost of living. Flying schools are busy but jobs are few. I know this first hand !
You are the ONLY person on this forum that needs convincing that a Pilot shortage in the US or Europe is FAR FROM imminent.
Regional airline T & Cs in both the US and Europe are shocking ! Y is this so ?
Oversupply and no serious demand !
We a seeing a similar trend in South Africa. Domestic and Regional airline pay is NOT keeping up with the rising cost of living. Flying schools are busy but jobs are few. I know this first hand !
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Yeah.. The "need" for pilots in Norway is down to 0 percent. I personally know quite a handfull of aspiring pilots (with frozen atpls) driving trucks and taxis..
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Its the worlds most expensive flying school. A complete degree from zero to frozen atpl is gonna cost you 185000 dollars alone. Its gonna give you approx 250 flying hours at an average price of 700 dollars an hour approx.
Then add living costs on top of that and its quite unbelieveable how young scandis are lured into this and come out the other end broken and jobless..
(And many are unwilling to go to Asia and work hard so as to not have wasted their money on this).
Needless to say, the school runs on this type of hype. "PILOT SHORTAGE. LCC Norwegian orders 250 aircrafts! Theyre gonna need pilots NOW"..
Only thing they forget to tell you is that the supply of pilots is endless in the current state, and thats not about to change in the near future.
Go to Forside | Pilot Flyskole
Its the worlds most expensive flying school. A complete degree from zero to frozen atpl is gonna cost you 185000 dollars alone. Its gonna give you approx 250 flying hours at an average price of 700 dollars an hour approx.
Then add living costs on top of that and its quite unbelieveable how young scandis are lured into this and come out the other end broken and jobless..
(And many are unwilling to go to Asia and work hard so as to not have wasted their money on this).
Needless to say, the school runs on this type of hype. "PILOT SHORTAGE. LCC Norwegian orders 250 aircrafts! Theyre gonna need pilots NOW"..
Only thing they forget to tell you is that the supply of pilots is endless in the current state, and thats not about to change in the near future.
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The U.S / Europe will NEVER have a pilot shortage !
Asia and Africa on the other hand might be a different story.
Asia and Africa on the other hand might be a different story.
GR737..and you can back up your statement with facts?
So MENA airlines be ready to increase the package ...
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I'm not entirely sure why Boeing wants to claim an upcoming pilot shortage. If there is indeed one coming, wouldn't that mean there won't be anyone to fly their products?
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Pilot shortage?? Again with these 
may be in Asia or middle east, not certainly in
Europe. Or may be they mean there will be an increase
Of demand from the airlines of pay to fly wannabes.
In italy alone there are thousands of unemployed pilots with
Several hundreds with a huge experience after the Alitalia
Affair. So please, let's stop dreaming
may be in Asia or middle east, not certainly in
Europe. Or may be they mean there will be an increase
Of demand from the airlines of pay to fly wannabes.
In italy alone there are thousands of unemployed pilots with
Several hundreds with a huge experience after the Alitalia
Affair. So please, let's stop dreaming
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Shortage?
When Boeing make outlandish claims such as this they refering to the pilot slots that will need to be filled. No problem, as there are plenty of pilots lining up for these jobs and always will be regardless of pay rates. As long as flying schools keep cranking Mc Pilots...no problem until of course they get their hands on the controls.
