Eagle Jet's Program. Pro or Con??
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Can anyone shed light on this company in Miami FL, Called Eagle Jet as they advertise on a Flight International that they do Offer Line training on 737NG, A320 and Turbo Props time, say 100,300,and 500hours on type. I do realize that its not a sin to jump start your career but there's too many SHARKS out there, I need it and at the same time it is scary.....
As a non US citizen and all this TSA clearance, what are the Odds of finding a job out there? I have FAA ATP and good amount of hours both multi and Jet
Giving thanks in advance for useful info...
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Can anyone shed light on this company in Miami FL, Called Eagle Jet as they advertise on a Flight International that they do Offer Line training on 737NG, A320 and Turbo Props time, say 100,300,and 500hours on type. I do realize that its not a sin to jump start your career but there's too many SHARKS out there, I need it and at the same time it is scary.....
As a non US citizen and all this TSA clearance, what are the Odds of finding a job out there? I have FAA ATP and good amount of hours both multi and Jet
Giving thanks in advance for useful info...
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Buddy,
Not to sound rude or condescending, but from your previous posts it seems like you have close to 9000 hours and a few thousand on 737-2's.
With that experience, Have you tried Emirates, Qatar or other companies?
Please do not pay these companies for line training or any on the job training.
Its bringing down our profession
Also your chances of finding a job in the US are slim to none with out a green card or work permit.
Not to sound rude or condescending, but from your previous posts it seems like you have close to 9000 hours and a few thousand on 737-2's.
With that experience, Have you tried Emirates, Qatar or other companies?
Please do not pay these companies for line training or any on the job training.
Its bringing down our profession
Also your chances of finding a job in the US are slim to none with out a green card or work permit.
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Hi, I need some information about them as well. I'm thinking to do their Beech 99 250 hours program and would like to get feedback from people who are currently enrolled in the program or people who have completed it. I don't want to start an argument about PFT. So please only who are currently in the program or people who have completed it please reply or pm me.
Thanks..
Thanks..
This way lies the next Colgan Buffalo accident. I, in 40 years of aviation, have never seen anything this sleazy and corrupt. Think of this question asked by a passenger in today's mood toward pilots, "Son, how much are you getting paid to fly this turboprop?" And your answer, "Oh, I am paying them."
The current environment and pilot pay and benefits is telling you something and it is: "avoid this industry".
GF
The current environment and pilot pay and benefits is telling you something and it is: "avoid this industry".
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"This way lies the next Colgan Buffalo accident. I, in 40 years of aviation, have never seen anything this sleazy and corrupt. Think of this question asked by a passenger in today's mood toward pilots, "Son, how much are you getting paid to fly this turboprop?" And your answer, "Oh, I am paying them."
The current environment and pilot pay and benefits is telling you something and it is: "avoid this industry".
GF"
Hi Galaxy,
I understand what you're saying. But at this point of my career I'm lacking is some multi time to even meet the minimums of what the airlines are looking for. And what's wrong with paying for couple hundred hours to gain some real life flying experience. There's a lot of places all over the country that offer multi engine time building program with a safety pilot and a lot of my friends have gone there and are flying for different airlines. No one ever said a word to them. People are still doing it. I'm not the type of guy who has rich parents and use their money to buy the job. I've been instructing for last 2 years and I have MEI too. And guess what, even with the MEI there's no jobs. What am I supposed to do, just sit there and wait for things to happen or buy some experience? It's not like I'm buying a job from gulfstream.
The current environment and pilot pay and benefits is telling you something and it is: "avoid this industry".
GF"
Hi Galaxy,
I understand what you're saying. But at this point of my career I'm lacking is some multi time to even meet the minimums of what the airlines are looking for. And what's wrong with paying for couple hundred hours to gain some real life flying experience. There's a lot of places all over the country that offer multi engine time building program with a safety pilot and a lot of my friends have gone there and are flying for different airlines. No one ever said a word to them. People are still doing it. I'm not the type of guy who has rich parents and use their money to buy the job. I've been instructing for last 2 years and I have MEI too. And guess what, even with the MEI there's no jobs. What am I supposed to do, just sit there and wait for things to happen or buy some experience? It's not like I'm buying a job from gulfstream.
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smile420: "It's not like I'm buying a job from gulfstream"
That's exactly what you're doing. Eagle Jet just happens to be a third party that will place you with another company to get your line hours.
That's exactly what you're doing. Eagle Jet just happens to be a third party that will place you with another company to get your line hours.
Primarily aimed at smile420, Savannah, being overseas is in a much different market, I think. Much of this still applies.
There are so many questions, it is hard to begin:
--Who is Eagle Jet? There is no such airline, so they must be placing candidates with some established companies who, no doubt, are getting some kind of consideration for taking the candidates.
--They have a wide choice of "programs", so quite a few companies are involved. I got a laugh out of the corporate jet program--LR-25 and DA-20. Nobody is flying them as corporate jets anymore, so it must be a check or on-demand cargo operation. If they will take someone thru this program, why won't they hire the same person, with the same quals but without the huge money going to Eagle Jet?
--How good is this experience or training going to look at a serious company that you are seeking employment at? I've been around for a long time and in the US, being laughed out the entry door might be the LEAST embarrassing outcome. I'd guess some places wouldn't look twice at such a resume before just tossing it. Yes, less embarrassing, if less productive.
--Eagle Jet or its affiliates have NO incentive to give a candidate real training. Eagle Jet has NO long-term interest in your training or ability. The affiliate is just looking to have a warm body (and a check from Eagle Jet) to meet the FAA requirement for a co-pilot, so they aren't interested, either.
My advice--figure out what operation is working with Eagle Jet and go direct and see if you can get an interview and hired. You are no different, except you can, at least, creditably claim to have an interest in their company and its future.
Try Amerijet, Ameriflight (cargo), the commuters, AirNET (checks, if still flying), the FDX contractors flying the Caravans.
Right now, the entire industry is really tough for employment and will be for, at least, five years. If you buy this experience, where do you expect to take if for a job? There are very few viable jobs that return the kind of money needed to justify the investment. Add up a four-year degree, plus a CPL w/ME and IR, maybe a CFI and this investment, one could easily be a well-paid engineer, lawyer or a doctor. Even at today's low interest rates, a $150,000 investment has to cost $1200 per month in loan payments--about the salary in most of these positions. The economics are pure hell. My niece paid about that for a law degree at a top-flight law school (GWU in DC), but she has a job paying $175,000 per year that make the finances make sense.
The age 65 rule has extended the careers for several years. AA is downsizing by probably 1500 pilots as they retire 3 MD-80s for each 2 new 737NG. Even in the freight business, UPS is furloughing over contract talks, FDX is treading water on hiring. The corporate market is probably 15% - 20% unemployed. This purchased experience will not get anyone into a corporate job.
I am genuinely not trying to be nasty, but the numbers have to add up and represent a real return on your human capital investment. A lot of commuter RJ guys are leaving now because they are in their early 40s, have no income or retirement money and don't see a light in their future. It ain't there in aviation, right now and won't be for 5-10 years, maybe.
GF
There are so many questions, it is hard to begin:
--Who is Eagle Jet? There is no such airline, so they must be placing candidates with some established companies who, no doubt, are getting some kind of consideration for taking the candidates.
--They have a wide choice of "programs", so quite a few companies are involved. I got a laugh out of the corporate jet program--LR-25 and DA-20. Nobody is flying them as corporate jets anymore, so it must be a check or on-demand cargo operation. If they will take someone thru this program, why won't they hire the same person, with the same quals but without the huge money going to Eagle Jet?
--How good is this experience or training going to look at a serious company that you are seeking employment at? I've been around for a long time and in the US, being laughed out the entry door might be the LEAST embarrassing outcome. I'd guess some places wouldn't look twice at such a resume before just tossing it. Yes, less embarrassing, if less productive.
--Eagle Jet or its affiliates have NO incentive to give a candidate real training. Eagle Jet has NO long-term interest in your training or ability. The affiliate is just looking to have a warm body (and a check from Eagle Jet) to meet the FAA requirement for a co-pilot, so they aren't interested, either.
My advice--figure out what operation is working with Eagle Jet and go direct and see if you can get an interview and hired. You are no different, except you can, at least, creditably claim to have an interest in their company and its future.
Try Amerijet, Ameriflight (cargo), the commuters, AirNET (checks, if still flying), the FDX contractors flying the Caravans.
Right now, the entire industry is really tough for employment and will be for, at least, five years. If you buy this experience, where do you expect to take if for a job? There are very few viable jobs that return the kind of money needed to justify the investment. Add up a four-year degree, plus a CPL w/ME and IR, maybe a CFI and this investment, one could easily be a well-paid engineer, lawyer or a doctor. Even at today's low interest rates, a $150,000 investment has to cost $1200 per month in loan payments--about the salary in most of these positions. The economics are pure hell. My niece paid about that for a law degree at a top-flight law school (GWU in DC), but she has a job paying $175,000 per year that make the finances make sense.
The age 65 rule has extended the careers for several years. AA is downsizing by probably 1500 pilots as they retire 3 MD-80s for each 2 new 737NG. Even in the freight business, UPS is furloughing over contract talks, FDX is treading water on hiring. The corporate market is probably 15% - 20% unemployed. This purchased experience will not get anyone into a corporate job.
I am genuinely not trying to be nasty, but the numbers have to add up and represent a real return on your human capital investment. A lot of commuter RJ guys are leaving now because they are in their early 40s, have no income or retirement money and don't see a light in their future. It ain't there in aviation, right now and won't be for 5-10 years, maybe.
GF
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Most of these Arabian airlines they just don't look on the numbers, meaning hours u have but look at what type you have been flying, B732 its an out dated machine.
I have applied to all these companies you've mentioned, even on their application forms you will find section asking for EFIS time of which 732 has non, and that's a short fall right there, second is the passport you are holding, That can be a Plus or a Minus when it comes to middle eastern carries as on the recruitment pool you find mostly guys who would prefer their home boys or girls.....IF You know what I'm talking about......
So that is why I look for the alternative however Mr Galaxy Flyer has said it all.......
I guess its time to put it all on a scale and see PASSION vs REALITY which one to go for?
"I am genuinely not trying to be nasty, but the numbers have to add up and represent a real return on your human capital investment. A lot of commuter RJ guys are leaving now because they are in their early 40s, have no income or retirement money and don't see a light in their future. It ain't there in aviation, right now and won't be for 5-10 years, maybe."
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Most of these Arabian airlines they just don't look on the numbers, meaning hours u have but look at what type you have been flying, B732 its an out dated machine.
I have applied to all these companies you've mentioned, even on their application forms you will find section asking for EFIS time of which 732 has non, and that's a short fall right there, second is the passport you are holding, That can be a Plus or a Minus when it comes to middle eastern carries as on the recruitment pool you find mostly guys who would prefer their home boys or girls.....IF You know what I'm talking about......
So that is why I look for the alternative however Mr Galaxy Flyer has said it all.......
I guess its time to put it all on a scale and see PASSION vs REALITY which one to go for?
"I am genuinely not trying to be nasty, but the numbers have to add up and represent a real return on your human capital investment. A lot of commuter RJ guys are leaving now because they are in their early 40s, have no income or retirement money and don't see a light in their future. It ain't there in aviation, right now and won't be for 5-10 years, maybe."
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I got several offers where I have to pay to fly.
today I am waiting for a program to fly the 320.
when I ask if they have a job for me, they don't reply.
certainly I am not going to give my money to a company who is based :
in USA, who has NO job for me at the end, who can take my money and don't give me the hours, treated like s...t from captain and cabi crew, may become illegal in a few months...
anyway, this is not a career anymore, better to spend 20$ in a PC flight simulator. ...
today I am waiting for a program to fly the 320.
when I ask if they have a job for me, they don't reply.
certainly I am not going to give my money to a company who is based :
in USA, who has NO job for me at the end, who can take my money and don't give me the hours, treated like s...t from captain and cabi crew, may become illegal in a few months...
anyway, this is not a career anymore, better to spend 20$ in a PC flight simulator. ...
The other thought I'll add--network. I got every job I have had strictly on working on a good reputation and knowing people. Don't be a suck up, but polish your reputation for competence and honesty everyday. Worry about that and everything else will take care of itself. I know several guys, even in this economy, who get job offers, unsolicited. Some of it is luck, but you make your own luck.
GF
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Light Glass vs Heavy metal
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The market for Air drivers these days requires glass time as we all know, like QR
they need at least 500hrs, if you have B707/727/732and or DC8/9 L-1011 They don't bother digging much on your resume, maybe the brains are just outdated as the machine you've been driving (to their thinking.....)
In the part of the world I'm coming from, there's a lot of flying Kites
(as compered to the above) that have glass (G1000) eg.. Cessna 182/206/208,
Does that considered t'be EFIS? And the guy who flies those are better equipped for jobs out there Than the driver who pushes Old heavy gas guzzler, metal shining stove pipe?
Them Arabs gotta be kidding me....
Somebody help me...
The market for Air drivers these days requires glass time as we all know, like QR
they need at least 500hrs, if you have B707/727/732and or DC8/9 L-1011 They don't bother digging much on your resume, maybe the brains are just outdated as the machine you've been driving (to their thinking.....)
In the part of the world I'm coming from, there's a lot of flying Kites
(as compered to the above) that have glass (G1000) eg.. Cessna 182/206/208,
Does that considered t'be EFIS? And the guy who flies those are better equipped for jobs out there Than the driver who pushes Old heavy gas guzzler, metal shining stove pipe?
Them Arabs gotta be kidding me....
Somebody help me...
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garmin 1000 doesn't help for the 320.
these machines are heavy, 120T for the A320.
it doesn't matter if you come from standard instrument or garmin 1000 to fly glass cockpit. you will get 40-80 sim training in a level D sim anyway.
companies want 500h or more just to not pay extra insurance. the rest they don't care where you come from, what plane you have flown in the past.... all they want, is you don't cost them too much, or not at all.
these machines are heavy, 120T for the A320.
it doesn't matter if you come from standard instrument or garmin 1000 to fly glass cockpit. you will get 40-80 sim training in a level D sim anyway.
companies want 500h or more just to not pay extra insurance. the rest they don't care where you come from, what plane you have flown in the past.... all they want, is you don't cost them too much, or not at all.
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Savannah, with all respect this is no different than Gulfstream Airlines, except Eagle is not a certificate holder. PFT is PFT.
Please don't PFT. It destroys our industry and reflects very poorly on those who participate. You most likely would be paying hard earned (or borrowed) money to be a "gear bitch." This logged time will mean little to a reputable employer.
You should also look at the new proposed regulations for air carrier pilots.
If you are instructing stay with that until things turnaround and opportunities become available.
Lastly, most operations like this in S. Florida are bottom feeders.
The truth only hurts if it should.
Best of luck.
Please don't PFT. It destroys our industry and reflects very poorly on those who participate. You most likely would be paying hard earned (or borrowed) money to be a "gear bitch." This logged time will mean little to a reputable employer.
You should also look at the new proposed regulations for air carrier pilots.
If you are instructing stay with that until things turnaround and opportunities become available.
Lastly, most operations like this in S. Florida are bottom feeders.
The truth only hurts if it should.
Best of luck.
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can not log the hours.
not type rated.
In europe, these hours are illegal, safety pilot as well.
not type rated.
In europe, these hours are illegal, safety pilot as well.