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Hello all, I have a really big doubt about the regs need some advise, i was reading on the faa atp topic you provide good information and help, my deal is that i want to get my atp cert from the faa.
Well i've been flying in mex since i got my comm., currently i now hold the mexican atp with 2200 tt, 737 but im struggling on the definition or understanding of the FAR 61.159 (4)250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least--
Since i dont have 250 pic i want to know if i could take my atp ride with my part 121 sic time to cover that part of the required time in the far, it would be of great help your anwser or where could i go to thanks.
Well i've been flying in mex since i got my comm., currently i now hold the mexican atp with 2200 tt, 737 but im struggling on the definition or understanding of the FAR 61.159 (4)250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least--
Since i dont have 250 pic i want to know if i could take my atp ride with my part 121 sic time to cover that part of the required time in the far, it would be of great help your anwser or where could i go to thanks.
David,
It appears to me that since you seem to meet all the aeronautical experience requirements for issuance of an FAA ATP except for the 250 hours of PIC experience, you are eligible for an ATP with the limitation prescribed by the relevant paragraph of 61.159 as displayed below.
I am unable to view the text of ICAO annex 1 at the present time, but presume that your Mexican ATP meets all ICAO requirements other than the FAA 250 PIC requirement. I suggest that to verify your eligibility, you might consider doing either of the following:
Make an appointment to visit an FAA FSDO to review your qualification for an FAA ATP certificate.
Or;
Consult with an FAA designated examiner to review you qualification for an FAA ATP certificate.
Provided that the FAA agrees that you are eligible, then there are only two further steps to be accomplished:
Pass an FAA ATP knowledge test.
Pass the FAA ATP practical (flight) test.
Once the certificate with limitation is issued, the following applies to getting the limitation removed and a new certificate without the limitation issued:
Best of success to you and please post any new information regarding this issue here.
Best regards,
westhawk
It appears to me that since you seem to meet all the aeronautical experience requirements for issuance of an FAA ATP except for the 250 hours of PIC experience, you are eligible for an ATP with the limitation prescribed by the relevant paragraph of 61.159 as displayed below.
Originally Posted by FAR 61.159
(d) An applicant is issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the limitation, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed under Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant does not meet the ICAO requirements contained in Annex 1 “Personnel Licensing” to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, but otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section.
Make an appointment to visit an FAA FSDO to review your qualification for an FAA ATP certificate.
Or;
Consult with an FAA designated examiner to review you qualification for an FAA ATP certificate.
Provided that the FAA agrees that you are eligible, then there are only two further steps to be accomplished:
Pass an FAA ATP knowledge test.
Pass the FAA ATP practical (flight) test.
Once the certificate with limitation is issued, the following applies to getting the limitation removed and a new certificate without the limitation issued:
Originally Posted by FAR 61.159
(e) An applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the ICAO limitation specified under paragraph (d) of this section when the applicant presents satisfactory evidence of having met the ICAO requirements under paragraph (d) of this section and otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section.
Best regards,
westhawk
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Thanks a lot for the help westhawk and advise, I already have my atp written done, and letter of verification of my mexican atp. Need to find out about the 250 pic time with the faa since, its my only obstacle right now thanks.
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Practical ATP oral
Hi guys
I am planing to do my FAA ATP combined with Boeing 737 NG TR.
For the Written ATP i think i will be ok with the Gleim prep book.
However i am a little concerned about the oral test of the practical test since i am not very familiar with FAA regs.
Any advice or test prep book or software to prepare for that ?
thanks
I am planing to do my FAA ATP combined with Boeing 737 NG TR.
For the Written ATP i think i will be ok with the Gleim prep book.
However i am a little concerned about the oral test of the practical test since i am not very familiar with FAA regs.
Any advice or test prep book or software to prepare for that ?
thanks
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Has anybody done this procedure recently.
I called today the FLL Fsdo and been told that is not possible to get a SIC type rating on the FAA licence based from a type on a Icao /Jaa licence....
Would really like to know is someone has managed to add the SIC type recently...thanks.
Has anybody done this procedure recently.
I called today the FLL Fsdo and been told that is not possible to get a SIC type rating on the FAA licence based from a type on a Icao /Jaa licence....
Would really like to know is someone has managed to add the SIC type recently...thanks.
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I have an FAA Cpl and have done the FAA ATP written.i also have sic endorsement on my FAA.My company is sending me for recurrence.Is it possible for me to take my FAA ATP check ride based on the the recurrence I am going to do.I got the FAA written after my initial type rating but it had to be sic cos I didn't have my written at that time.Why I am asking is because my company is only paying for my recurrence so I want to know if I have to part with money to do additional training.
During the initial however I did the full training.Thanks
During the initial however I did the full training.Thanks
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You can do the ATP during recurrent. You will have to let the training provider know that you will do so. So you will do a recurrent/upgrade instead of just a recurrent. Depending on the training provider you may or may not have to do an extra day. The notice is to allow the provider to assign the properly authorized instructors/evaluators to your training events. It sounds a little strange that the training provider would not do a full type rating because you didn't have the ATP written. I have seen private pilots with full type ratings. Could it be a requirements of your employer?
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JAA ATPL conversion to FAA ATP
I hold a valid JAA ATPL with a current B737 300-900 type rating endorsement as PIC.
If I have correctly read the FAR's,I just need an FAA ATP written exam to pass(No practical test for the ATP due to that my JAA ATPL is valid) and for the B737 300-900 rating,I just need a sim check-ride with a designated FAA examiner or a TCE(Training center evaluator).
I fulfill all the experience requirements for the check-ride,as far as PIC time,cross-country,night flight,I/R etc.
All the previously mentioned process will be done after the Authentication
of my License checked by FAA.
What about my expired ratings?Can they be endorsed in the FAA ATP as
expired ones? Do I have to ask FSDO to endorse my Level 5 English Proficient into the FAA ATP as well?
Any opinion from somebody who knows the FAR's will be most appreciated
If I have correctly read the FAR's,I just need an FAA ATP written exam to pass(No practical test for the ATP due to that my JAA ATPL is valid) and for the B737 300-900 rating,I just need a sim check-ride with a designated FAA examiner or a TCE(Training center evaluator).
I fulfill all the experience requirements for the check-ride,as far as PIC time,cross-country,night flight,I/R etc.
All the previously mentioned process will be done after the Authentication
of my License checked by FAA.
What about my expired ratings?Can they be endorsed in the FAA ATP as
expired ones? Do I have to ask FSDO to endorse my Level 5 English Proficient into the FAA ATP as well?
Any opinion from somebody who knows the FAR's will be most appreciated
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Thanks Rick1128'
I did the full training but they only endorsed sic on it because it was my first type rating to be endorsed which was also strange to me.meanwhile I have other ratings on my other Icao license. This happened at cae Dubai
I did the full training but they only endorsed sic on it because it was my first type rating to be endorsed which was also strange to me.meanwhile I have other ratings on my other Icao license. This happened at cae Dubai
Well I am not the expert, but am fairly certain you will need a checkride for your ATP. It is not just a case of passing the written and then completing the paperwork.
See below
It is the same with your type rating/s. As far as I know, you cannot just take a checkride for the type rating; you must provide proof of completion of an FAA-approved course (there are abbreviated courses available at some of the larger TRTO's).
As I say, I am no expert, but this has been my understanding.
See below
Section 61.157: Flight proficiency.
requirements of this section for the issuance of an airline transport pilot certificate and/or the appropriate aircraft rating:
(i) A proficiency check under 121.441 of this chapter.
(ii) Both a competency check under 135.293(a)(2) and 135.293(b) of this chapter and pilot-in-command instrument proficiency check under 135.297 of this chapter.
(iii) Both a competency check under 91.1065 of this chapter and a pilot-in-command instrument proficiency check under 91.1069 of this chapter.
(2) The checks specified in paragraph (f)(1) of this section must be conducted by one of the following:
(i) An FAA Aviation Safety Inspector.
(ii) An Aircrew Program Designee who is authorized to perform proficiency and/or competency checks for the air carrier whose approved training program has been satisfactorily completed by the pilot applicant.
(iii) A Training Center Evaluator with appropriate certification authority who is also authorized to perform the portions of the competency and/or proficiency checks required by paragraph (f)(1) of this section for the air carrier whose approved training program has been satisfactorily completed by the pilot applicant.
requirements of this section for the issuance of an airline transport pilot certificate and/or the appropriate aircraft rating:
(i) A proficiency check under 121.441 of this chapter.
(ii) Both a competency check under 135.293(a)(2) and 135.293(b) of this chapter and pilot-in-command instrument proficiency check under 135.297 of this chapter.
(iii) Both a competency check under 91.1065 of this chapter and a pilot-in-command instrument proficiency check under 91.1069 of this chapter.
(2) The checks specified in paragraph (f)(1) of this section must be conducted by one of the following:
(i) An FAA Aviation Safety Inspector.
(ii) An Aircrew Program Designee who is authorized to perform proficiency and/or competency checks for the air carrier whose approved training program has been satisfactorily completed by the pilot applicant.
(iii) A Training Center Evaluator with appropriate certification authority who is also authorized to perform the portions of the competency and/or proficiency checks required by paragraph (f)(1) of this section for the air carrier whose approved training program has been satisfactorily completed by the pilot applicant.
As I say, I am no expert, but this has been my understanding.
Babisiliop,
There are two kinds of FAA certificates you can get. Under 61.75 you can get a FAA PVT cert with any types on your foreign license limited to VFR just by submitting paperwork. Any limitations on your foreign license apply to the FAA "based on" certificate. For example, German glider pilots are required to have a medical so a FAA 61.75 glider certificate would not be valid if the holder did not have a current German medical even though there is no requirement for FAA glider pilots to hold a medical.
To get any level cert above the PVT you have to get a "stand alone" certificate. A person may obtain a U.S. pilot certificate without relying on his/her foreign pilot license by accomplishing the required training, instructor endorsements, aeronautical experience, passing the appropriate knowledge test, and passing the appropriate practical test as required by the pilot certification requirements contained in part 61. Holding a JAA ATP allows you to skip getting a PVT which is normally required to get a Commercial and skip the COMM which is normally required to get an ATP.
To add a type to your ATP you'll need a Fed, a TCE can only give checks to pilots who complete the training centers training program. The training you did overseas for the type should count but you'll need the training records and who ever completed your training will have to sign the 8710 form, your application for the ATP.
There is no level 5 in FAA land, you are either English proficient or not. And if you're not you can't get the FAA certificate.
There are two kinds of FAA certificates you can get. Under 61.75 you can get a FAA PVT cert with any types on your foreign license limited to VFR just by submitting paperwork. Any limitations on your foreign license apply to the FAA "based on" certificate. For example, German glider pilots are required to have a medical so a FAA 61.75 glider certificate would not be valid if the holder did not have a current German medical even though there is no requirement for FAA glider pilots to hold a medical.
To get any level cert above the PVT you have to get a "stand alone" certificate. A person may obtain a U.S. pilot certificate without relying on his/her foreign pilot license by accomplishing the required training, instructor endorsements, aeronautical experience, passing the appropriate knowledge test, and passing the appropriate practical test as required by the pilot certification requirements contained in part 61. Holding a JAA ATP allows you to skip getting a PVT which is normally required to get a Commercial and skip the COMM which is normally required to get an ATP.
To add a type to your ATP you'll need a Fed, a TCE can only give checks to pilots who complete the training centers training program. The training you did overseas for the type should count but you'll need the training records and who ever completed your training will have to sign the 8710 form, your application for the ATP.
There is no level 5 in FAA land, you are either English proficient or not. And if you're not you can't get the FAA certificate.
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5N, what CAE makes sense, however, the fact you didn't have an ATP at the time made no difference. Under the FAA structure, to get a full unrestricted type, you have to already have a jt type rating on your certificate, or have 500 hours SIC in type, or 1000 hours SIC in a similar aircraft, or do a actual check ride in the aircraft. If you don't, you can be issued a restricted type rating that requires you to get 25 hours of IOE within a certain period of time, I believe it is 6 months) then go to the FAA with proof and they remove the restriction.
Babisiliop, as Marker stated, you will have to take a checkride. It can be done by a DPE. Some TCE's are DPE's also.
Babisiliop, as Marker stated, you will have to take a checkride. It can be done by a DPE. Some TCE's are DPE's also.
I got bored, there are more DPEs with B-17 on their letter than B-737. There are 2 737 DPEs in the country which is twice the number with a Twin Beech authorization. How times have changed.
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Good Day fella's.
I am looking to do a FAA ATP as a conversion on either my NZ CAA CPL / CASA CPL / or DGCA CPL.
I meet all the requirement's below...
>> Current FAA Medical Certificate
>> Minimum Age 23 to Hold an ATP Rating
>> FAA Commercial Instrument Certificate based on Foreign Certificate
>> accompanied by an FAA Letter of Certificate Verification
>> Instrument Current & Proficient
>> Flight Time per FAR 61.159 Requirements:
>> 1,500 Hours Total Time:
>> 500 Hours Cross Country Time
>> 100 Hours Night Time
>> 75 Hours Instrument Time of Actual or Simulated Instrument Time:
>> # 50 Hours Must be in an Airplane
>> + 250 Hours PIC Airplane
>> Thorough Knowledge of Material in the ATP Piper Seminole Training Supplement
>> (Provided to you before arriving for your training program.
Except for the 100 hr night requirement..
Can someone please tell me is it possibly to do a FAA ATP with a night restriction on it and have it removed once you meet this requirement?
Many thanks - ZK
I am looking to do a FAA ATP as a conversion on either my NZ CAA CPL / CASA CPL / or DGCA CPL.
I meet all the requirement's below...
>> Current FAA Medical Certificate
>> Minimum Age 23 to Hold an ATP Rating
>> FAA Commercial Instrument Certificate based on Foreign Certificate
>> accompanied by an FAA Letter of Certificate Verification
>> Instrument Current & Proficient
>> Flight Time per FAR 61.159 Requirements:
>> 1,500 Hours Total Time:
>> 500 Hours Cross Country Time
>> 100 Hours Night Time
>> 75 Hours Instrument Time of Actual or Simulated Instrument Time:
>> # 50 Hours Must be in an Airplane
>> + 250 Hours PIC Airplane
>> Thorough Knowledge of Material in the ATP Piper Seminole Training Supplement
>> (Provided to you before arriving for your training program.
Except for the 100 hr night requirement..
Can someone please tell me is it possibly to do a FAA ATP with a night restriction on it and have it removed once you meet this requirement?
Many thanks - ZK
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PLEASE CLARIFY
I am an ex mil pilot INDIAN have a DGCA ALTP valid till apr 13, IR on HS125 exp in aug12 , I am PMU as per DGCA (INDIAN regulator ), spoke to FAA AME at MUMBAI , he said could forward docs to FAA and see if I am eligible for class 1.
Am I eligible for issue FAA ALTP if I do comp test , oral , sim ?
Am I eligible for issue FAA ALTP if I do comp test , oral , sim ?
quest,
As the holder of a foreign ATP, in order to get a FAA ATP you have to hold a FAA medical, pass the knowledge (written) test and pass the checkride. Because you hold an Indian HS125 type and ask about an oral and sim, I'm guessing you want a HS125 type on your FAA ATP. FAR 61.157(b) gives guidance on type ratings at the ATP level and says you need training records and an instructor's sign off to take the type ride. So you will need to go through some training program before you take the ATP checkride if you want to do it in a HS125 sim.
As the holder of a foreign ATP, in order to get a FAA ATP you have to hold a FAA medical, pass the knowledge (written) test and pass the checkride. Because you hold an Indian HS125 type and ask about an oral and sim, I'm guessing you want a HS125 type on your FAA ATP. FAR 61.157(b) gives guidance on type ratings at the ATP level and says you need training records and an instructor's sign off to take the type ride. So you will need to go through some training program before you take the ATP checkride if you want to do it in a HS125 sim.
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Jaa to Faa
Hi everyone. I have a question to which I think I have the answer but I would clarification that I am correct if possible please.
I have a Jaa cpl, multi and IR with 2500 hours TT.
I am looking to get a stand alone Faa ATP and A320 type rating.
My understanding is that I am required to get an Faa medical, and sit the ATP written exam.
I then intend to do an A320 type rating course and combine the flight test with my ATP flight test.
The only hour requirement that I am currently short on is night time, but I hope by the time I intend to do my type rating course, next year, I should have 75 hours, supplemented by around 100 t/o and landings through my current job, (thus fulfilling the requirement) otherwise I will go the week before and hire a 172 and get the rest.
Am I correct in what I am thinking??
Thanks in advance for your answers
MT
I have a Jaa cpl, multi and IR with 2500 hours TT.
I am looking to get a stand alone Faa ATP and A320 type rating.
My understanding is that I am required to get an Faa medical, and sit the ATP written exam.
I then intend to do an A320 type rating course and combine the flight test with my ATP flight test.
The only hour requirement that I am currently short on is night time, but I hope by the time I intend to do my type rating course, next year, I should have 75 hours, supplemented by around 100 t/o and landings through my current job, (thus fulfilling the requirement) otherwise I will go the week before and hire a 172 and get the rest.
Am I correct in what I am thinking??
Thanks in advance for your answers
MT