FAA Foreign Pilot IR & CFI
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FAA Foreign Pilot IR & CFI
I am currently planning to instruct JAA Licences in the US.
I currently have a FAA PPL based on a Foreign UK JAA PPL.
I understand I have to complete training as required for the Commercial and the CFI.
However, an exam called the Instrument Rating Foreign Pilot exists - which is a CATS exam then a paperwork exercise to get an FAA IR based on my JAA IR. Baed on 61.75 which is Instrument added to a Foreign Pilot PPL.
Can I then add a CFI to this Commercial with Instrument privileges based on my JAA Licence? or do I need a full FAA IR?
I have read the Part 61 181 over and can't seem to get a definitive answer from it - or do I need a full FAA IR?
I asked one of local examiners and they didn't even realise a foreign pilot instrument rating existed - however one did - any ideas anyone?
I currently have a FAA PPL based on a Foreign UK JAA PPL.
I understand I have to complete training as required for the Commercial and the CFI.
However, an exam called the Instrument Rating Foreign Pilot exists - which is a CATS exam then a paperwork exercise to get an FAA IR based on my JAA IR. Baed on 61.75 which is Instrument added to a Foreign Pilot PPL.
Can I then add a CFI to this Commercial with Instrument privileges based on my JAA Licence? or do I need a full FAA IR?
I have read the Part 61 181 over and can't seem to get a definitive answer from it - or do I need a full FAA IR?
I asked one of local examiners and they didn't even realise a foreign pilot instrument rating existed - however one did - any ideas anyone?
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Hi,
Am afraid I do not know the answer to your question.
I am only eligible for FAA Class 1 medical and Wish to fly on FAA licences. How do you plan to gain the right to work in the US?
Rich
Am afraid I do not know the answer to your question.
I am only eligible for FAA Class 1 medical and Wish to fly on FAA licences. How do you plan to gain the right to work in the US?
Rich
Interesting question, not a 100% sure on the answer.
Here's my best guess......
You would hold a restricted PPL-IR based on a foreign license.
If you take the Commercial Practical test your temporary license will read something like;
" Private pilot Instrument based on foreign license, Commercial priviliges VFR only"
You would have to take an Instrument checkride to get Instrument priviliges on your Commercial.
Therefore it might be easier to take the Instrument checkride before the Commercial.
The IR priviliges on your restricted are meant to be used to fly in the US under IFR, not necessarily as a basis for a future US rating.
Hope it helps.
Here's my best guess......
You would hold a restricted PPL-IR based on a foreign license.
If you take the Commercial Practical test your temporary license will read something like;
" Private pilot Instrument based on foreign license, Commercial priviliges VFR only"
You would have to take an Instrument checkride to get Instrument priviliges on your Commercial.
Therefore it might be easier to take the Instrument checkride before the Commercial.
The IR priviliges on your restricted are meant to be used to fly in the US under IFR, not necessarily as a basis for a future US rating.
Hope it helps.
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My (uneducated) view is "NO" - mainly because the IFP exam does NOT give you an FAA IR - itt merely allows you to exercise the priviliges of your ICAO IR on an FAA aircraft whilst in Federal airspace.
It's not a rating - it's an authorisation to use the one you already have.
It's not a rating - it's an authorisation to use the one you already have.
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off topic question. i've heard of foreign instructors...mainly from canada who converted their lic to faa, slide into an instructing job in the us on the h visa? is this possible? and if so...will companies hire you?
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Originally Posted by BigGrecian
J1 Visa - Exchange.
Some people working on H1 about but don't think I'll take that route.
Some people working on H1 about but don't think I'll take that route.
To my knowledge to be eligble for the J-1 you can not have more than 100TT. Since you already hold the JAA IR I think you should be over this limit.
Maybe someone who knows more about US immigration could confirm this?
Also most professional flight training courses that are J-1 approved seem to come with all the licences from PPL to CFII and MEI - Expect to spend over 30K for this. (There are also some that exclude only the PPL) If you have other information please PM me.
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I was under the impression that a J-1 visa is only really suitable for someone who has completed their PPL and is looking to complete a course (61 or 141) to CPL/IR/CFII standard. Upon completion, you're free to work in your field of study, but only for a limited period. As Icerman pointed out, there is a restriction on people who have a degree of flying experience (I didn't realise it was 100TT) so I would assume is no good for conversion from a JAA CPL/ATPL.
Moving off-topic slightly, I have a similar problem to Richardlong. I'm a UK citizen: CAA class 1 unfit, FAA class 1 fit. It's a bit of a punt, but I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to complete an FAA CPL/IR during my weekends in the UK in the hope that something will come along in the future and enable me to fly commercially. If I can't go commercial (somewhere in the world), then I've got my day-job to fall back on, safe in the knowlegde that I've given commercial flying a go and will suffer no regrets in later life. I'd be interested to hear from anybody from the UK who has managed to go down one of the FAA routes and is flying commercially, whether it be on N-registered biz-jets in the UK or for an airline somewhere else in the world...
Apologies for hijacking the thread.
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Moving off-topic slightly, I have a similar problem to Richardlong. I'm a UK citizen: CAA class 1 unfit, FAA class 1 fit. It's a bit of a punt, but I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to complete an FAA CPL/IR during my weekends in the UK in the hope that something will come along in the future and enable me to fly commercially. If I can't go commercial (somewhere in the world), then I've got my day-job to fall back on, safe in the knowlegde that I've given commercial flying a go and will suffer no regrets in later life. I'd be interested to hear from anybody from the UK who has managed to go down one of the FAA routes and is flying commercially, whether it be on N-registered biz-jets in the UK or for an airline somewhere else in the world...
Apologies for hijacking the thread.
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I believe what people have stated regarding the Foreign Instrument Pilot is true. I have sat the ground and plan to convert my JAA one so I have full privilages.
I belive that's FAA experience time. I am JAA qualified, so obviously have more than 100 hours! I was told it was FAA PPL maximum - but they didn't even question my about it other than what class of visa and whether I would be instructing over there. Maybe that part lies in the school's issue of the DS2019.
To get an H1 Visa(Right to work) your going to have to prove you have skills that can't be filled by an American so your probably going to have to make a good impression with your employer before talking to an immigration lawyer.
Regarding JAA/FAA Medicals. I know of someone in the same situation who is building time under FAA and licences and the CAA then will review his case on a case by case basis. PM and I'll get you in touch if you guys are interested.
If anyone wants any advice about J1(Exchange visa with right to work whilst studying.) Visas PM me.
To my knowledge to be eligble for the J-1 you can not have more than 100TT. Since you already hold the JAA IR I think you should be over this limit.
To get an H1 Visa(Right to work) your going to have to prove you have skills that can't be filled by an American so your probably going to have to make a good impression with your employer before talking to an immigration lawyer.
Regarding JAA/FAA Medicals. I know of someone in the same situation who is building time under FAA and licences and the CAA then will review his case on a case by case basis. PM and I'll get you in touch if you guys are interested.
If anyone wants any advice about J1(Exchange visa with right to work whilst studying.) Visas PM me.
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I have a New Zealand CAA commercial licence
I'm planning to do an IR under FAA.
I've discovered that I can convert my licence for PPL privelages,which is fine while I do the IR, but ( visas and immigration issues aside ) It must be possible to get FAA commerial pilot privilages ?
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
I'm planning to do an IR under FAA.
I've discovered that I can convert my licence for PPL privelages,which is fine while I do the IR, but ( visas and immigration issues aside ) It must be possible to get FAA commerial pilot privilages ?
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
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Originally Posted by BigGrecian
I am currently planning to instruct JAA Licences in the US.
I currently have a FAA PPL based on a Foreign UK JAA PPL.
I understand I have to complete training as required for the Commercial and the CFI.
However, an exam called the Instrument Rating Foreign Pilot exists - which is a CATS exam then a paperwork exercise to get an FAA IR based on my JAA IR. Baed on 61.75 which is Instrument added to a Foreign Pilot PPL.
Can I then add a CFI to this Commercial with Instrument privileges based on my JAA Licence? or do I need a full FAA IR?
I have read the Part 61 181 over and can't seem to get a definitive answer from it - or do I need a full FAA IR?
I asked one of local examiners and they didn't even realise a foreign pilot instrument rating existed - however one did - any ideas anyone?
I currently have a FAA PPL based on a Foreign UK JAA PPL.
I understand I have to complete training as required for the Commercial and the CFI.
However, an exam called the Instrument Rating Foreign Pilot exists - which is a CATS exam then a paperwork exercise to get an FAA IR based on my JAA IR. Baed on 61.75 which is Instrument added to a Foreign Pilot PPL.
Can I then add a CFI to this Commercial with Instrument privileges based on my JAA Licence? or do I need a full FAA IR?
I have read the Part 61 181 over and can't seem to get a definitive answer from it - or do I need a full FAA IR?
I asked one of local examiners and they didn't even realise a foreign pilot instrument rating existed - however one did - any ideas anyone?
Instrument Ratings issued on the basis of a foreign pilot license will read "Commercial Privileges limited to VFR only" In order to get that restriction removed, you would need to pass the Instrument - Airplane knowledge test and practical test, regardless of whether you had taken the Instrument - Foreign Pilot test and had been issued a restricted Instrument Rating on your private pilot certificate.
Since the question bank for the Instrument - Foreign Pilot and Instrument - Airplane are one and the same, I would highly recommend taking the Instrument - Airplane knowlege test and then take the practical test for the Instrument Rating. That way your Instrument Rating will read: "Instrument Rating - US Test Passed" That means when you pass the practical test for your Commercial Certificate, you will not receive the "Commercial privileges limited to VFR only" limitation on your certificate as your Instrument Rating is an unrestricted one at that point.
The Instrument Rating practical test in the U.S. is very similar to a UK IMC Practical test - of those are still done (it's been a while!)
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Originally Posted by kiri klein
I have a New Zealand CAA commercial licence
I'm planning to do an IR under FAA.
I've discovered that I can convert my licence for PPL privelages,which is fine while I do the IR, but ( visas and immigration issues aside ) It must be possible to get FAA commerial pilot privilages ?
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
I'm planning to do an IR under FAA.
I've discovered that I can convert my licence for PPL privelages,which is fine while I do the IR, but ( visas and immigration issues aside ) It must be possible to get FAA commerial pilot privilages ?
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text....1.2.6&idno=14
Note: Your Private Pilot Certificate issued on the basis of a Foreign PPL DOES meet the requirements for a pre-requisite Private Pilot Certificate. Again, if your goal is to gain a FAA Commerical Pilot Certificate with unrestricted Instrument privileges then I recommend getting a Private Pilot Certificate issued on the basis of your foreign license, then take the Instrument - Airplane knowledge test, and then the practical test for Instrument - Airplane and then continue on with training for the Commercial Pilot certificate.
A word of caution and advice to all who are considering using their existing experience / training to count towards the training requirements for U.S. certificates: Ensure that your instructor endorses your logbook in some way to certify that he has given you the training. In the U.S. it is common practice for instructors to sign each training flight. In the U.K., the chief flight instructor would usually certify your training before you applied for the license. It is a requirement in U.S. regulations that your training be endorsed by your instructor before you can use it to show that you have met U.S. training requirements. Of course you can only use training time that was gained from an instructor who is licensed by an ICAO contracting state.
Ray
