Job with Norwegian on a Parc contract
 

Hi there fellow aviators, does anyone have any first hand information about salaries, yearly increase, per diem, housing allowance, insurances, pension plan schemes - if any, rostering, working days off - compensation?

Start as F/O, upgrades possible at all??
Bases, any idea where and will commuting be possible?

I know from my own experience that Parc is one of the best companies to work for as a contract pilot, but its been a while since I last worked as a contractor and the aviation contract world has changed a lot with the rest of the industry.
Grateful for any accurate information.
BR, Floats

Yes is has apprently been quite a while since you worked as a contractor :hmm:

From what I've heard the F/O salaray is 5100E in total (including per diems and housing allowance). You cannot expect pension, yearly salary increase or any upgrade. Roster should be 5/4 5/3 and working days off I'm not sure about... As for basing it's most likely Malaga but this can change I guess.You can read more about the contract in the thread "Norwegian nå og fremover" just below. Good luck ;)

/LHN

edit: added name of thread

How does the contractors fit in on the seniority list..?

2 different lists? (or more)

Contractors fit onto the seniority list at the bottom under the heading of "bottom of the heap" ie they have no seniority. Any 'privilege' depends on what the contract agency may have negotiated for you.

Does that mean that the guys at the bottom of the real DY list are never going to move up? They will just stay at the bottom forever?

Duh !:ugh: if no one joins after you, as a full time employee, then of course you will remain at the bottom of the list, however as contractors have no company seniority/ rights ,you are always ahead of them anyhow in reality.
As others retire/leave you will move closer to the top of the list until one day you find yourself at the top . . . & then :uhoh: shortly afterwards you leave/retire, & the list doesn't exist, & everyone is employed on crummy contract terms , rather than the lovely , but expensive for "poor" Norwegian, contract.
This is, of course, the long term game plan, how much blame you place on Contractors just trying to earn a living, versus full time guys, who along with their Unions can't agree amongst themselves, may be clouded by your own status.
At the end of the day , it doesn't matter who is to be blame/ or being blamed, what is important is that it is being allowed to happen, & another company currently offering industry leading T's & C's is in the process of going down the toilet as far as good permanent contracts are concerned.
It is an excellent contract ,for a contracting pilot, it is the full-time guys who should be doing something about it.

As the song goes "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next" :=

Merry Xmas to all flying Rudolph liveried aircraft, I hope you can stick together & put an end to being sold down the river by your management
( & these good wishes from a "Contract" pilot, who nonetheless wishes to defend all of our T's & C's industry wide,) It isn't because many of us are envious of your permanent contracted terms , that we wish to devalue them, but it is for you to defend them, not for us to refuse a nice contract job if you have allowed your management to make it available.
if you won't defend yourself, it is not for us to cut off our nose to spite our face by boycotting a lucrative temporary contract .

CAPT, you sound like DY management:
"the lovely , but expensive contract... industry leading T's & C"....

Are you even aware of the cost of living in Scandi-land? Working 900 hrs a year on average (or less) pay is hardly industry leading.. You´re probably better off flying t-props up north. Having said that, the alternatives to the present contract are sadly even worse.

Oh and btw, who are you kidding, of course it matters who´s to blame! :8

I think it would be right to assume that the guys flying t-props up north are the happiest bunch of pilots in Norway today... Never spoke to a pilot in WF that had anything bad to say about their workspace, as for DY and SK... the list goes on...

After what i've heard, moral is plummeting amongst DY pilots because of the way the company is evolving.. that shure must come back and kick Kjos in the ass someday... (lets hope)

As for the Hel guys... they must be really pissed off now that new hires are offered almost twice the pay on parc contract, as for the arpi contract??

Merry Xmas!!!

Goldenbawls, even with your high taxes/cost of living, the Norwegian contract (full time) as it was described to me a couple of years back was very OK :D maybe it changed for the worse in the intervening time ?
As to me , or any contractor ,being the problem, how do you work that out ? if the pilots, or the Union(s) had the strength to oppose it (I know Ryanair have never managed, but Hey, you guys are unionised right? ) it would never have happened, & the door would not have been opened to these divide & conquer tactics that Earlybird refers to.
Given the companies social payments, I would imagine your full-time contract is "expensive" for the company, if not as lucrative to you as it should be given the companies total spend. Of course it is the avoidance of these costs that have formed the excuse to introduce temporary contractors into the equation, but, as I said, whose fault is it, that they have been able to do this ?

Funny. The contract has only been in existence for 12 weeks.

The ultimate question is about future commands. Will they go 'internal' or 'external'? My guess is that they will be offered, in seniority, as a PARC contract. Want a command upgrade? Sign this PARC Contract first. Don't want to? No problem, stay on as a career FO as as long as you want. Next in line, please!

There is ALWAYS someone willing to accept lower terms if it means jumping the que. The same goes for bases, fleets or promotions. Of course management know this, and by the look of things are prepared to implement every part of Airline Management 101, of which 'open' Commands (through a new contract) is vital to fragmenting the union.

Watch this space. Expansion generates new commands - where the expansion is.

NAIA, is the case now that FOs in Norwegian on fulltime employment are offered upgrade if they go over to Parc contract?

NAIA,

as I said " Norwegian contract (full time) " . . . . I.E full time permanently contracted employees, NOT contractors.

Earlybird, if that is the case, the rot is setting in even faster than I could have envisaged.
Shame.

Happy Xmas anyhow.

Hi guys,

Can anyone please give some insight in the requirements for this position? And are they still recruiting or have they filled all postions?

Thanks,
Climb

It´s a growing airline, so hiring must continue for quite some time. The requirements are posted right here:

Application First Officers - Norwegian

AFAIK they´re hiring from all categories, at least A + B. In other words, minimum 100 hours PIC, no requirement for type rating :ok:

I love this part:

- Accept to be simchecked at own expence if holding a rating.

Like you haven't been screwed enough by putting out 200.000 for a TR, you have to pay for your own simcheck.

Has anyone yet payed for a simcheck at DY? Is it possible to exploit young and willing more than this??

Will DY go bankrupt if they pay for something that actually gives them reassurance? (Like reassurance has been very important with their previous coffee cup interviews) :D

A while ago DY gave applicants a test where they got pictures of airplanes and had to identify the type.. So if you can tell the difference between a 747 and a 737 you're qualified!!

Anyone already gone through the selection process? Any tips on what and how to prepare?

Paying for TR is not what the market used to be like, but it is what the market is like today...

True.

Just like pilots used to have experience. They used to have professional pride. They used to know the difference between intent and the limits of language.

To the market today. :ok:

Kids buying right-hands seats in an industry where the CAD has failed their passengers to the benefit of shareholders and short term profits.

Om så är fallet har jag hittills inte träffat någon på detta forum, är ganska säker på att det inte är något s i :E

Godt Nytt alle sammen!

Tidligere var referanser avgjørende for å karre seg til et intervju hos NAS.
I dag med disse Olsen-banden byråene som mellom aktør, hva er utslagsgivende nå ? Kun CV og antall timer, eller ingen endring i praksis ?

Var selv for noen måneder siden på en short-list tiltenkt testing for HEL. Da ting endret seg, ble det hele nærmest utsatt. Jeg hadde da i forkant søkt ARPI, men ble kontaktet av NAS ang den påtenkte testingen.

Kan jeg anta å bli automatisk kalt inn ved neste korsvei, eller er det nye kort og kluter?
Forventer ikke et entydig svar, kun synspunkter på hva som foregår om dagen.
Prater jo med mine "refs", slik at jeg får noe info, men det ser ut til at mangelen på info er relativt stor.
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Right over your head, dear chap.

The reference was to OM-A, OM-B and the FCTM. There are still situations not covered by text, where experience and general knowledge might save the day in a situation otherwise lost in the haze of conflicting EICAS messages and general discrepancies where the only saving grace involves pitch. power and prioritization.

The intent of the procedure is not always 100% covered by the wording, because pure step-by-step logic fails when worlds collide.

And you're quoting my grammar. Idiot.

:E

Det var det jag menade när jag skrev att det var ingen på detta forum som visste vad du snackade om... Jag är glad och tacksam över att du klargjorde vad du menade:cool:

Sen tycker jag din gammatik är glimmarande, jag menade din stavning:E Tyckte det var en just passning med tanke på ditt "limits of language";)

:E

I might have misread you. Apologies.

DY recruitment
 

I know the recruiting process of DY is strange to put it mild, but is this true?

I really don't see what's so strange about it. DY had one of the more sensible interview tests I've seen. Instead of being locked into a room and given 500 ATPL questions, you where given a little booklet witch had several actual operations questions, like decoding a metar/taf, calculating holdover time, etc. and you where asked to do this during the interview.

One of the questions was a picture of a Norwegian Boeing 737 and you where asked what aircraft this was... of course 99% of the people knew it was a 737 and most could even identify the model, but some people had no idea what kind of aircraft Norwegian used, and this was an easy way to judge what kind of interest a candidate had in the company. Most employers expect job candidates to have some level of knowledge about the company they are seeking employment with.

And off course you work for DY, right??

I heard from a source in DY management that one of the reasons for the new program with DY rating and sim check is that they have experienced low efficiency on a lot of candidates during line training.... so maybe their "sensible" interviews weren't all that cost efficient after all...?

That doesn't sound too strange at all. Some airlines ask ridiculous questions...

What was the interview like?

The bright future of Norwegian employees:

Flyansatte presses til skattefusk - Politiken.dk

Sorry Danish only...

Does anyone know if the "Norwegian" Pilot Union is dealing with this at all? It's very strange that the Union can accept this kind of employment politic.
It seems that there is no contact between the DY-union, and other major Scandinavian airlines pilot unions, in this challenging case....
I heard that all new pilots will be hired on PARC contracts. I hope their deals are better than the Estonian's...

Tally-ho..

This is highly unofficial, but what I heard from some DY pilots is that the union cut a deal where they "save" the ones with permanent employment, and lets say.. screw the rest...

I hope I'm wrong...

Earlybird you are most likely correct, they all pee their pants to keep warm, for only so long.. It is strange that they do not understand where this is headed..

Earlybird, you are dead wrong.
 

As a Norwegian FO I can tell you that you are wrong about NPF. They did NOT accept the deal from the management that would guaranty our jobs for many years. The pilot group voted it down. So dont go saying that we are pissing our pants to keep warm when it is the exact opposite that`s is the case:=:=

Ok, my apologies, it is not my intent to spread wrong rumours. Still; how come your union is allowing this to happen? Very strange, and it will probably one day completely ruin your workplace.

What makes you think our union is ALLOWING this to happen??
So far there`s not much they can do...... Yet..

PARK BRAKE.........................SET

Noen som vet hvordan det gikk med uravstemningen til denne produksjonsgarantien?

http://parat.com/Protokoll_110616_pr...gjMcr.pdf.file

Håll oss inte på halster Init-Ref utan berätta vad NPF har för plan att stävja detta.
För visst är det väl så att det ligger lite i det Early Bird säger. Även om det inte är ett officiellt ståndtagande från facket så är det väl en attityd som finns bland en del medlemmar:rolleyes:

There is no way around the simple fact that with two seperate groups driving the same logo, the cheapest group will get the expansion. Including new commands.

Anyone who believes they can maintain superior status-quo within a split organisation needs their head examined. Offering new commands in Malaga is not 'creative' thinking or something that 'may' happen. It is a integrated part of the management form adapted by DY from other carriers, and is unavoidable once the two-group setup has been completed. This is not new thinking, it's old. And it's a proved way of shattering the union.

Somebody will take those Malaga commands.

Come on, man. What union would reveal that kind of strategy in a public forum? This is the kind of thing that´s kept on a need-to-know basis.

NAIA, that`s spot on x2! :ok::D

That being said, it is of course the NPF`s members who can accept or decline the terms they are presented, albeit it does say a lot about how they perceive their own reality. :E:confused:

Thanks for the document Icenor, highly informative. It states recources from foreign bases (on contracts) can do two domestic legs and a layover in Norway. If the DY pilots do not understand where this is headed then.. Also I must say I am a little disappointed of the fact they are so greedy that they are willing to see this happen to secure own terms (they think..)