DY pilots not working on days off.
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The problem is that pilots in Norway/Norwegian, have complete lack of public support, due to past history of overpaid crybabies, who have looked after themselves in the industry, this makes it difficult.
As soon as the debate of the new work time regulations came on Norwegian media, people left very bad feedback to how pilot was overpaid and and loads of privileges, people do not understand today's situation.
As soon as the debate of the new work time regulations came on Norwegian media, people left very bad feedback to how pilot was overpaid and and loads of privileges, people do not understand today's situation.
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Yes, I'm sure you're right. Public support is a good motivator, but we as a professional group still need to excercise our right to normal terms of employment. If the pilots in Norwegian were to stike, they would have far more support than what pilots in SAS would receive, but public support doesn't affect the companies much anyway. The general public chooses with their wallets, and tragically it has become our own responsibility to defend the safety principles this profession is built upon. When we all demand normal terms of employment, everyone plays by the same rules. It doesn't matter if this increases ticket prices slightly, because they are increased on equal terms for every operator.
..and the general public demand NOK 1,- tickets!
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Truckflyer:
I did some research into aptitude tests for my bachelor degree in aviation about a year ago, and our aviation psychology class was taught by one of Norway's most prominent experts (Monica Martinussen, Psychology, University of Tromso) in this field. I learned that most people seem to have a common misunderstanding of what these tests actually do.
Aptitude tests are primarily developed for military use, and they are not designed to give any specific indication of how well a pilot will perform in the future. These tests are designed to find the candidates with the highest probability of completing training. You might assume that they would also give some indication on how the candidate will perform later on (multi-tasking capabilities etc), but a lot of these skills can be trained or compensated for with experience and so on. These tests do work, but never 100%, and the only goal is to find the best candidates to put through flight training. Period.
It's a bit off topic, but still relevant to your post about SAS pilots.
I did some research into aptitude tests for my bachelor degree in aviation about a year ago, and our aviation psychology class was taught by one of Norway's most prominent experts (Monica Martinussen, Psychology, University of Tromso) in this field. I learned that most people seem to have a common misunderstanding of what these tests actually do.
Aptitude tests are primarily developed for military use, and they are not designed to give any specific indication of how well a pilot will perform in the future. These tests are designed to find the candidates with the highest probability of completing training. You might assume that they would also give some indication on how the candidate will perform later on (multi-tasking capabilities etc), but a lot of these skills can be trained or compensated for with experience and so on. These tests do work, but never 100%, and the only goal is to find the best candidates to put through flight training. Period.
It's a bit off topic, but still relevant to your post about SAS pilots.
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"onebyone" - I mention this, due to the fact of a post by Positivefeather earlier, pretty arrogant snob and full of BS, if that is the type of pilots SAS which to promote and have in their cockpit, than NO THANKS!
Positivefeather posted this:
"Tempting for SAS to hire the same contract pilots from DY now, for permanent positions?"
Tempting as it may, SAS run psychological tests on their candidates. Back in the days (70s, 80s), hundreds of pilots each year would give up their career simply because they would not get a job, and let us be honest; many a pilot have not had the intellectual/psychological skills needed, only a vast dream and money from dad..
Today "low cost" carriers have discovered this and hence are offering all these pilots that otherwise flunk psychological tests with the majors, a job as long as they accept to pay for the rating/their uniform and on we go..
That is the reason we are in this situation. Earlier these pilots would never have been hired, today they can purchase their "jobs".
Pretty soon the sharpest tools in the shed will never consider a pilot education as these pilots cannot compete with the otherwise academically lower skilled candidates who seem to never run out of money.
Positivefeather posted this:
"Tempting for SAS to hire the same contract pilots from DY now, for permanent positions?"
Tempting as it may, SAS run psychological tests on their candidates. Back in the days (70s, 80s), hundreds of pilots each year would give up their career simply because they would not get a job, and let us be honest; many a pilot have not had the intellectual/psychological skills needed, only a vast dream and money from dad..
Today "low cost" carriers have discovered this and hence are offering all these pilots that otherwise flunk psychological tests with the majors, a job as long as they accept to pay for the rating/their uniform and on we go..
That is the reason we are in this situation. Earlier these pilots would never have been hired, today they can purchase their "jobs".
Pretty soon the sharpest tools in the shed will never consider a pilot education as these pilots cannot compete with the otherwise academically lower skilled candidates who seem to never run out of money.
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Truck:
..deep breaths….rinse your mind…. feel the tension leave your body….breathe through your nose….keep breathing….in and out…..in and out…
Capt play:
but then again, if you are so fool heartedthat you venture into ****creak without a paddle, I know where to look for you. And for truckdriver….(that one is referencedto a local folktale)
..deep breaths….rinse your mind…. feel the tension leave your body….breathe through your nose….keep breathing….in and out…..in and out…
Capt play:
but then again, if you are so fool heartedthat you venture into ****creak without a paddle, I know where to look for you. And for truckdriver….(that one is referencedto a local folktale)
