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hi
Has anyone attended eaglejets linetraining program? I'm thinking of doing it my self and I'd like to get in contact with a someone that has.
Cheers
Has anyone attended eaglejets linetraining program? I'm thinking of doing it my self and I'd like to get in contact with a someone that has.
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Hi Gonnabe,
I am also interested in buying some experience on the 37. Feel free to email me if You want someone to discuss this delicate matter with.
Best regards
Peter
I am also interested in buying some experience on the 37. Feel free to email me if You want someone to discuss this delicate matter with.
Best regards
Peter
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I don't think this is to buy a job deal at all. Rather straight forward training deal! One will be properly trained and ready for the job after this deal. Not bad at all for 25.250!
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Margarita - why not view the FO position as training for a Commander position? In that case one could argue that you should pay for being a FO
Correct me if I'm wrong - linetraining is training yes - but with fare paying pax, and the pilot in training is filling out the right seat. The operator is required to fill out this seat with a qualified pilot - then how can you tell me that it's ok to actually pay for that seat your self? I'm puzzeled.
Correct me if I'm wrong - linetraining is training yes - but with fare paying pax, and the pilot in training is filling out the right seat. The operator is required to fill out this seat with a qualified pilot - then how can you tell me that it's ok to actually pay for that seat your self? I'm puzzeled.
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Dear boys,
Just be realistic. Nobody will hire you without such rating and training for 737. 25K sounds a lot of money but you can easily pay that back in a first year on proper job. If you like to keep crying and not willing to invest for your training and be marketable it's your choice! You should by now realize that your CPL alone will not get you anywhere.
Just be realistic. Nobody will hire you without such rating and training for 737. 25K sounds a lot of money but you can easily pay that back in a first year on proper job. If you like to keep crying and not willing to invest for your training and be marketable it's your choice! You should by now realize that your CPL alone will not get you anywhere.
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I paid for my B737 type rating and got hired a job after that. Didn't have time in type though, nor did I pay for line training. I was told that I would have a job if rated, but without it no chance.
If one has a possibility of getting a long term job flying big jets by paying for a few hunderd hours in type. Go for it. If there's no chance of employment afterwards forget it.
Try to use all other avenues of getting a job before paying huge amount of money to a broker or anyone else to that matter. There are still companies that will type rate you and train you without making you pay for it nor will they force you to sign a bond. A much better option in my books.
If you have decided to embark on a pay for training scheme, try to identify the best possible option for you. B737 seems to be a viable aicraft with the A320. I would not be looking at 727's or any other old aircraft. Unless you are just looking for jet experience.
JJ
If one has a possibility of getting a long term job flying big jets by paying for a few hunderd hours in type. Go for it. If there's no chance of employment afterwards forget it.
Try to use all other avenues of getting a job before paying huge amount of money to a broker or anyone else to that matter. There are still companies that will type rate you and train you without making you pay for it nor will they force you to sign a bond. A much better option in my books.
If you have decided to embark on a pay for training scheme, try to identify the best possible option for you. B737 seems to be a viable aicraft with the A320. I would not be looking at 727's or any other old aircraft. Unless you are just looking for jet experience.
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Paying for linetraining is a disgrace! Paying for a type is not a good thing either! 
If you guys didn´t do this the companies would have take care of it themselvs and we as a group would be a lot better off! Don´t you see you are undermining our proffession.
Stop this nonsence NOW! You will still get the job. Somebody has got to fly the airplanes, right? Show some selfrespect and good luck with your career
If you guys didn´t do this the companies would have take care of it themselvs and we as a group would be a lot better off! Don´t you see you are undermining our proffession.
Stop this nonsence NOW! You will still get the job. Somebody has got to fly the airplanes, right? Show some selfrespect and good luck with your career
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Problem is, as long as there are more unemp. pilots then jobs available, people are gonna pay to get ahead...and no one is gonna be able to stop it...
hopefully the tide will turn....soon.
hopefully the tide will turn....soon.
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HC...
What planet y came from???
Had I not got the type I would not have got the job. My competition was with 5000 h and more and I had less than 1500h. Cost for the type paid back in 1 month.
JJ
What planet y came from???
Had I not got the type I would not have got the job. My competition was with 5000 h and more and I had less than 1500h. Cost for the type paid back in 1 month.
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JJflyer,
-"Cost for the type paid back in 1 month."
Wow!,
What kind of salary are you on!?!?
I'd luuuv to be in your shoes!
Mr BE,
-"hopefully the tide will turn....soon."
Amen!, to that!
-"Cost for the type paid back in 1 month."
Wow!,
What kind of salary are you on!?!?I'd luuuv to be in your shoes!
Mr BE,
-"hopefully the tide will turn....soon."
Amen!, to that!
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6000 US a month ( When dollar was worth anything) 150$ a day per diem. 25$ daily food and laundry allowance.
My present job pays about nothing. However if getting a new type gets me a higher income, well I'd do it all over again. It is an investement and one has to count the possible gain in the long run.
JJ
My present job pays about nothing. However if getting a new type gets me a higher income, well I'd do it all over again. It is an investement and one has to count the possible gain in the long run.
JJ
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AN2,
Somehow I think that tide will not turn again. Fact remain that airlines are looking ready trained and rated crews, you like it or not. There is very few jobs in the world were you can have all of your training expenses back in a year or less! Aviation is one of them. Still there is lot of folks hoping that CPL is all that is needed to land a well paying job with major airline. Dream on, if you like or get rated!
Somehow I think that tide will not turn again. Fact remain that airlines are looking ready trained and rated crews, you like it or not. There is very few jobs in the world were you can have all of your training expenses back in a year or less! Aviation is one of them. Still there is lot of folks hoping that CPL is all that is needed to land a well paying job with major airline. Dream on, if you like or get rated!
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It stinks! The pathetic excuses seen here stinks. The companies offering these schemes, and effectively getting free FO's, stinks. The attitude "if I don't do it someone else will" stinks.
Our industry is going down the drain, surely but not slowly, helped in no small part by the Margaritas and JJFlyers of this world.
IT STINKS!
Our industry is going down the drain, surely but not slowly, helped in no small part by the Margaritas and JJFlyers of this world.
IT STINKS!
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Poor Techman
Truth hurts eh? And it sucks.
But thats just how it is. If y don't like the way the industry is... Leave it.
Somehow I think you do not fly at all or have not flown for some time, judging by how detached some of your comments are from present day reality.
JJ
But thats just how it is. If y don't like the way the industry is... Leave it.
Somehow I think you do not fly at all or have not flown for some time, judging by how detached some of your comments are from present day reality.
JJ
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Truth? That's just the way it is?
You might be able to delude yourself, but I'll be damned if your bend over and grab your ankles philosophy is going to persude me.
You have chosen the easy way and just accepted whatever employers have stated as requirements instead of showing some backbone. Everyone with half a brain and a full spine knows that those requirements will disappear very quickly if nobody applies. But then along comes the jellyfish who says "yes massa". Ever wondered why you are in a job now that pays "about nothing"?
It seems I have been in this business a lot longer than you, and I have no intention of seeing the likes of you dragging it down any further than you already have.
Show some backbone, or bow your head in shame.
You might be able to delude yourself, but I'll be damned if your bend over and grab your ankles philosophy is going to persude me.
You have chosen the easy way and just accepted whatever employers have stated as requirements instead of showing some backbone. Everyone with half a brain and a full spine knows that those requirements will disappear very quickly if nobody applies. But then along comes the jellyfish who says "yes massa". Ever wondered why you are in a job now that pays "about nothing"?
It seems I have been in this business a lot longer than you, and I have no intention of seeing the likes of you dragging it down any further than you already have.
Show some backbone, or bow your head in shame.
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Paying for line training
Well, all companies are in it to make a profit and if they can chose between two pilots, one with a rating and some experience, I guess the choice isn't that difficult for them. Money saved is money earned. So unless there's a union that negotiated some reasonable salaries, what's the guy that has paid for everything to say when they offer him a minimum wage? He or she has so much money invested that they're commited (like in poker) no matter what kind of deal they get. So what will it take until that person says "Enough! I want decent money for my time and skill."? It's a slippery road you enter once you start undercutting your competition and colleagues with salaries or paying for ratings and experience.
Imagine this: After a couple of years in the right seat, not earning great, but enough to support the little family with a full time working spouse and mortgages on the house and still paying for the loans that got you that seat, there is a mail from the company... The company will now upgrade its whole fleet of 20 B737-600 to 25 A320. Anyone interested in staying with the company will pay for their own rating and line training until they're checked out. Otherwise, there's a whole heap of fresh CPL-holders that are ready to pay to do it....
Percy Nilegård and his "Management by fear" isn't suddenly that far away
/2beers
Imagine this: After a couple of years in the right seat, not earning great, but enough to support the little family with a full time working spouse and mortgages on the house and still paying for the loans that got you that seat, there is a mail from the company... The company will now upgrade its whole fleet of 20 B737-600 to 25 A320. Anyone interested in staying with the company will pay for their own rating and line training until they're checked out. Otherwise, there's a whole heap of fresh CPL-holders that are ready to pay to do it....
Percy Nilegård and his "Management by fear" isn't suddenly that far away
/2beers