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Techman,
Your opinions STINK. You better accept the fact that union runned airlines are history. Just wake up and get out from the train if you don't like the ride. Don't tell me that you like to use SAS because it has better wages instead some charter airline when you are taking a trip on your own account!
Your opinions STINK. You better accept the fact that union runned airlines are history. Just wake up and get out from the train if you don't like the ride. Don't tell me that you like to use SAS because it has better wages instead some charter airline when you are taking a trip on your own account!
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The fact is that none of of you NEVER HAD THE CHANCE to apply for a rael airline.
Both of you are stuck with sub standard outfits and both of you know it.
You might claim that airlines accept applications such as yours, but that is ONLY because people SUCH AS YOU HAVE ACCEPTED sub standard conditions.
YOU ARE DIRECTLY THE CAUSE OF THE SUB STANDARD CONDITIONS OFFERD TODAYS AIRCREWS.
YOU SIR, STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN.
Both of you are stuck with sub standard outfits and both of you know it.
You might claim that airlines accept applications such as yours, but that is ONLY because people SUCH AS YOU HAVE ACCEPTED sub standard conditions.
YOU ARE DIRECTLY THE CAUSE OF THE SUB STANDARD CONDITIONS OFFERD TODAYS AIRCREWS.
YOU SIR, STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN.
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You are very wrong in your opinions. It is not a pilots fault that entire aviation industry took a steep turn to low cost approach. As far as travellers like to fly on cheap fares that will be the case. In my humble opinion unions were the biggest reason for such change in aviation. Majors were not able to compete with the new low cost carriers fast enough and here we are today. So lets live with it.
Techman, it's not a mirrows fault if you do not like the picture!
Techman, it's not a mirrows fault if you do not like the picture!
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I wouldn't expect any other response fron people who have paid for they own typerating.
It is intirely the fault of the pilot who accepted that a rating is a minimum condition for employment. Anyone who accepted that a type rating is a conditiong of employment is a guilty as Michael O'Leary.
Of course these people will defend their position. However they are the scum of the earth, and they know so. Which is why they will defend they position even when it is undefensible.
You stink and you know that you stink. And that will be
your curse for the rest of your life. Enjoy!!.
It is intirely the fault of the pilot who accepted that a rating is a minimum condition for employment. Anyone who accepted that a type rating is a conditiong of employment is a guilty as Michael O'Leary.
Of course these people will defend their position. However they are the scum of the earth, and they know so. Which is why they will defend they position even when it is undefensible.
You stink and you know that you stink. And that will be
your curse for the rest of your life. Enjoy!!.
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Don't even bother answering this Techman. As a first ever you have made the good old ignore list.
It is union types like you who have ruined the industry. You have unrealistic salary and conditions demands that have place in market driven economy of todays aviation. It would probably be nice to work 2 weeks and be off 2 with full salary, eh, but not going to happen now is it?
Good old times when travel was for the privileged few and tickets very expensive are gone. Get it? GONE!!!
Travel by flying today is for everyone with a penny in the pocket.
With decreasing ticket prices, increasing competition from "Low cost carriers", increasing operatings costs, inflation, high euro, 911, fuel prices etc most "Real (rael) airlines that none of us have ever had a chane to apply to" have had to face the reality and reduce cost at all cost. Seat/mile cost higher than revenue per seat/mile is a scenario that spells for trouble and eventually force a company out of business. A fact that most unions do not seem to understand.
You seem to forget that airlines are a business with only one purpose : To make profit. In other words make money for the share holders. Charity has no place in todays aviation. Time for the government owned national airlines are over and gone with them are over staffed departments. People are worked to the maximum regulations allow.
With every reduction of yearly flight time and allowed duty time or other expensives, companies are forced to save elsewhere say training. You will see fewer and fewer companies going to be willing to cough up the cash for low time pilots to train them on a type. Companies will be looking for typed, trained and experienced pilots and there will be masses on the market either looking for greener pastures or unemployed.
As a pilot I have made a huge investment to this industry and wanted results. Results are measured the same way as with any business, that is with results. Money.
Smell what you are showeling, should give you an idea what yoy reek off.
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It is union types like you who have ruined the industry. You have unrealistic salary and conditions demands that have place in market driven economy of todays aviation. It would probably be nice to work 2 weeks and be off 2 with full salary, eh, but not going to happen now is it?
Good old times when travel was for the privileged few and tickets very expensive are gone. Get it? GONE!!!
Travel by flying today is for everyone with a penny in the pocket.
With decreasing ticket prices, increasing competition from "Low cost carriers", increasing operatings costs, inflation, high euro, 911, fuel prices etc most "Real (rael) airlines that none of us have ever had a chane to apply to" have had to face the reality and reduce cost at all cost. Seat/mile cost higher than revenue per seat/mile is a scenario that spells for trouble and eventually force a company out of business. A fact that most unions do not seem to understand.
You seem to forget that airlines are a business with only one purpose : To make profit. In other words make money for the share holders. Charity has no place in todays aviation. Time for the government owned national airlines are over and gone with them are over staffed departments. People are worked to the maximum regulations allow.
With every reduction of yearly flight time and allowed duty time or other expensives, companies are forced to save elsewhere say training. You will see fewer and fewer companies going to be willing to cough up the cash for low time pilots to train them on a type. Companies will be looking for typed, trained and experienced pilots and there will be masses on the market either looking for greener pastures or unemployed.
As a pilot I have made a huge investment to this industry and wanted results. Results are measured the same way as with any business, that is with results. Money.
Smell what you are showeling, should give you an idea what yoy reek off.
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Techman,
Just for your info. I have never paid a single type rating, neither I have never been on strike... maybe because a simple reason that I couldn't afford it. I never paid a single union fee either.
But be assured, if I need a job and a requirement is a valid type rating I will sure go and do it now, if I can afford such investment for my own good.
Just for your info. I have never paid a single type rating, neither I have never been on strike... maybe because a simple reason that I couldn't afford it. I never paid a single union fee either.
But be assured, if I need a job and a requirement is a valid type rating I will sure go and do it now, if I can afford such investment for my own good.
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Well Well margarita/Kopeloi or whatever you call yourself this week. Maybe it should be 'I'm alright Jack'. Think about it. But I doubt that you will.
Ever heard of circular logic JJFlyer? I guess not, but you seem to be quite the proponent of the concept.
Let me guess, you are one of those who jump from job to job, accepting ever decreasing conditions. One of the vagabonds.
But you are right in one thing. It is nice to work 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. On full salary. 'Cause that's what I do and you know what the really strange things is? We are making money and expanding our business. And we have a strong union. Go figure.
The difference between you and me is that you are willing to wet your pants on a cold day to keep warm, while I'll ask my employer for some suitable clothing.
And somehow I think that you'll be able to convince yourself that wet pants is the way to go.
Ever heard of circular logic JJFlyer? I guess not, but you seem to be quite the proponent of the concept.
Let me guess, you are one of those who jump from job to job, accepting ever decreasing conditions. One of the vagabonds.
But you are right in one thing. It is nice to work 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. On full salary. 'Cause that's what I do and you know what the really strange things is? We are making money and expanding our business. And we have a strong union. Go figure.
The difference between you and me is that you are willing to wet your pants on a cold day to keep warm, while I'll ask my employer for some suitable clothing.
And somehow I think that you'll be able to convince yourself that wet pants is the way to go.
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Professionals get paid for their services, amateurs don’t.
I am responsible for an aircraft worth 50-60 million $, and the lives of 150-200 pax.
I make million dollar decisions several times a day on a regular basis.
I operate in an unhealthy environment, dry air and loosing my hearing due to noise.
I work irregular hours get sleep disorder from jet lag.
I find myself being paid less per hour than my local car mechanic.
And, hurray! I find more and more pilots paying to work!!
Stop undermining this profession.
(The slaves were better off 150 years ago, at least they were fed and given shelter and didn’t have to pay to work)
I am responsible for an aircraft worth 50-60 million $, and the lives of 150-200 pax.
I make million dollar decisions several times a day on a regular basis.
I operate in an unhealthy environment, dry air and loosing my hearing due to noise.
I work irregular hours get sleep disorder from jet lag.
I find myself being paid less per hour than my local car mechanic.
And, hurray! I find more and more pilots paying to work!!
Stop undermining this profession.
(The slaves were better off 150 years ago, at least they were fed and given shelter and didn’t have to pay to work)
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JJFlyer, Margarita and Kopeloi
you guys are nothing but whores. The cancer of all professional pilots. Actually you´re not really professionals since you have or are willing to sell yourself cheeply for a rating. A disgrace! I would never hire you. If you´re not loyal to your own peers how can a company trust your loyalty? Once again I definitely wouldn´t!
JJ do you really think you are more quallified than the 5000hr guy just because daddy bought you a rating?
The best qualified person, be it experience, skill, psychologically or otherwise tested should get the jobb! His or her dad´s wallet or willingness to borrow money should definitely not count. You are resposible for this professions demise! The shame is all on you, and remember what goes around comes around!
you guys are nothing but whores. The cancer of all professional pilots. Actually you´re not really professionals since you have or are willing to sell yourself cheeply for a rating. A disgrace! I would never hire you. If you´re not loyal to your own peers how can a company trust your loyalty? Once again I definitely wouldn´t!
Had I not got the type I would not have got the job. My competition was with 5000 h and more and I had less than 1500h.
The best qualified person, be it experience, skill, psychologically or otherwise tested should get the jobb! His or her dad´s wallet or willingness to borrow money should definitely not count. You are resposible for this professions demise! The shame is all on you, and remember what goes around comes around!
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There seem to be a gross misunderstanding of entire issue! You guys are thinking that airlines should hire and train new hires straight from the street. That was maybe a case a long ago but obviously not any longer. What ever the reason, it is not a case today.
I do not see anything wrong with this when some of the training responsibilities/expenses are moved back to each individual.
Today airlines do require new hires some more training than CPL course alone. Like it or not!
HC and techman, I am surprised with your attitudes. Its not my fault that such requirements exist. Once again, I never did pay any rating and I will quarantee that my annual income is bigger than yours!
So, like they say F**K YOU,JACK!
I do not see anything wrong with this when some of the training responsibilities/expenses are moved back to each individual.
Today airlines do require new hires some more training than CPL course alone. Like it or not!
HC and techman, I am surprised with your attitudes. Its not my fault that such requirements exist. Once again, I never did pay any rating and I will quarantee that my annual income is bigger than yours!
So, like they say F**K YOU,JACK!
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FYI. I have paid all my training myself by work or by a loan. My father and his finances or the lack of them had nothning to do with and my training. I would appreciate if you left my father out of this.
Nope I didn't think I was more quafied, however I needed a better job and a company needed a pilot. I was informed, that should I have training on type, I would be hired. Now that is very simple to understand even to the thickest individual.
JJ
FYI. I have paid all my training myself by work or by a loan. My father and his finances or the lack of them had nothning to do with and my training. I would appreciate if you left my father out of this.
Nope I didn't think I was more quafied, however I needed a better job and a company needed a pilot. I was informed, that should I have training on type, I would be hired. Now that is very simple to understand even to the thickest individual.
JJ
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so, are we all done here? or are we gonna meet up outside?
fellas, try to understand the other boys situation, we cant all be the same, thank some one higher for that...
fellas, try to understand the other boys situation, we cant all be the same, thank some one higher for that...
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You guys are thinking that airlines should hire and train new hires straight from the street. That was maybe a case a long ago but obviously not any longer. What ever the reason, it is not a case today.
I was informed, that should I have training on type, I would be hired. Now that is very simple to understand even to the thickest individual.
Still shame on you for ruining the business for the rest of oss who have self-respect and have payd our dues!
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HC,
I don't understand how thick one is to believe that it was young pilots that caused majors to collapse and companies like Easy and Ryanair to take over? It was UNIONS who forced these companies for their knees and to leave the door open for budget airlines, period! So if you like to blame someone about recent situation you are barking a wrong tree. And just to remind, these unions were set to help pilots not to get them out of job, as happened. If I am not badly mistaken....
As a reminder have a look SAS/Braathens discussion on this forum.
I don't understand how thick one is to believe that it was young pilots that caused majors to collapse and companies like Easy and Ryanair to take over? It was UNIONS who forced these companies for their knees and to leave the door open for budget airlines, period! So if you like to blame someone about recent situation you are barking a wrong tree. And just to remind, these unions were set to help pilots not to get them out of job, as happened. If I am not badly mistaken....
As a reminder have a look SAS/Braathens discussion on this forum.
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well, I wouldnt just blame the unions...
..take a look at that very fancy HQ in frösundavik i sthlm...once upon a time filled with overpayed and lazy
office "managers"....some one who wrote a book about destroying ancient egyptian buildings made it a perfect place for people like that...
...but all that aside...looks like that company is turning around nicely...after the union
all the pilots in the ...
..take a look at that very fancy HQ in frösundavik i sthlm...once upon a time filled with overpayed and lazy
office "managers"....some one who wrote a book about destroying ancient egyptian buildings made it a perfect place for people like that...
...but all that aside...looks like that company is turning around nicely...after the union
all the pilots in the ...
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What does the issue of unions contributing to a company's downfall (fair amount of truth in that, though not quite the full story) have to do with losers having to buy themselves a job because they don't have the skills, experience or morals to compete withother pilots in the marketplace?
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Hotel Charlie, Flathatter,
The both of you come across as either very arrogant towards 'wannabees', or very frightened of the 'new order' in the aviation industry. I just can't make my mind up which it is. Probably a bit of both.
Your posts have a touch of "holier than thou"-reasoning,......or in other words; If you haven't reached your goal, the HotelCharlie or Flathatter-way,....then you're simply not worthy, or have no self-respect/not paid your dues/are unskilled/no experience/ no moral.....et.c, et.c.
I wish that I could've "paid my dues" through instructing/taxi-flying for peanuts, but opportunitys are few and far between and luck is a key player. This means that if you're not lucky enough, you'll never get the chance to prove yourself and you're stuck!!
What to do then? Sit and wait to see what happens, or create your own opportunity?
The both of you come across as either very arrogant towards 'wannabees', or very frightened of the 'new order' in the aviation industry. I just can't make my mind up which it is. Probably a bit of both.
Your posts have a touch of "holier than thou"-reasoning,......or in other words; If you haven't reached your goal, the HotelCharlie or Flathatter-way,....then you're simply not worthy, or have no self-respect/not paid your dues/are unskilled/no experience/ no moral.....et.c, et.c.
I wish that I could've "paid my dues" through instructing/taxi-flying for peanuts, but opportunitys are few and far between and luck is a key player. This means that if you're not lucky enough, you'll never get the chance to prove yourself and you're stuck!!
What to do then? Sit and wait to see what happens, or create your own opportunity?
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You are very right. These fellows are dead scared about "new order" as there is no room for them or their unions. Make no mistake, these guys do not like anyone to come in without their approval. Similar rules and standards were used in Sovjet Unions communist party.
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Well Margarita,
Not scared but very disappointed! I thought the the guys comming up behind were going to be professionals and not you know what..!(I know there are a lot of REAL pilots comming our way to, and you all are quite welcome indeed) When it comes to unions Margarita, trust you me, you will wake up from la la land and smell the roses 
These fellows are dead scared about "new order" as there is no room for them or their unions.