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Latest rumour is that the LT has not approved the SASBraathens AOC application and that SAS now has withdrawn it's AOC application.
The SAS/SC integration is to become official at 00.01 the 20. September 2004, and LT/STK has approved this.
If the rumours are true, it now seems that BUSK is dead. How long will we continue with two Jet-operators in Norway.
The SAS/SC integration is to become official at 00.01 the 20. September 2004, and LT/STK has approved this.
If the rumours are true, it now seems that BUSK is dead. How long will we continue with two Jet-operators in Norway.
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Fokker-Jock,
Hey, nice roumour!
Not much in it though.
The AOC is already approved from LT. SASBraathens is a reality 20.9.04. All groups except flight crew are integrated. Pilots still not ready
, but good progress has been reported. AOC will be activated when pilot unions have reached an agreement.
You`re right BUSK is dead.
That is history.
New company is SASBraathens.
So 2 jet operations until late October?
How about you?
Hey, nice roumour!
Not much in it though.
The AOC is already approved from LT. SASBraathens is a reality 20.9.04. All groups except flight crew are integrated. Pilots still not ready
, but good progress has been reported. AOC will be activated when pilot unions have reached an agreement.You`re right BUSK is dead.
That is history.
New company is SASBraathens.
So 2 jet operations until late October?
How about you?
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Let's hope you are right!
However I can't find SASBraathens AOC in the LT's AOC register ? Too early maybe ?
I believe SASBraathens will remain a commercial company only and that we will have two operators until early next year. What happends after that remains to be seen, but the outcome remains in the hands of the two unions. As of now there is no backing from the SK-pilot union, and it sure doesn't seem to be by BU-pilot union, so I guess we're stuck until someone loosens up
The rumour however, came from (Where I heard it) a unionist
Maybe it was wishful thinking...
Btw: Are you sure you are not talking about LT's approval of the modified SK-AOC including F50 and DHC8 operation ? It has been approved and will be in force from 00.01 20. Sep. We got our A/C-documents changed this morning confirming just that!
However I can't find SASBraathens AOC in the LT's AOC register ? Too early maybe ?
I believe SASBraathens will remain a commercial company only and that we will have two operators until early next year. What happends after that remains to be seen, but the outcome remains in the hands of the two unions. As of now there is no backing from the SK-pilot union, and it sure doesn't seem to be by BU-pilot union, so I guess we're stuck until someone loosens up
The rumour however, came from (Where I heard it) a unionist
Maybe it was wishful thinking...Btw: Are you sure you are not talking about LT's approval of the modified SK-AOC including F50 and DHC8 operation ? It has been approved and will be in force from 00.01 20. Sep. We got our A/C-documents changed this morning confirming just that!
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Any thoughts on why Knut Solberg left so abruptly. ( don´t give me the " I want more time for the family ....stuff" )
Was it simply because the deal between the pilot groups didn´t come through first time around??
Or did someone more senior ( Jansen, Lindegård or even Solberg himself) realise that Solberg had promised BU pilots more than what was realistic??
Your thoughts please.
Was it simply because the deal between the pilot groups didn´t come through first time around??
Or did someone more senior ( Jansen, Lindegård or even Solberg himself) realise that Solberg had promised BU pilots more than what was realistic??
Your thoughts please.
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Well, I guess it's quite common in mergers, that the CEO from one of the "old companies", that loses the battle of becoming the new CEO, doesn't stick around very long, as he doesn't like to be second-in-command.
The reason Solberg has offered to the newspapers seems to be a very poor excuse to abandon ship due to being offered the #2 position in the management, at least in my opinion.
Interesting to see, how this situation develops in the months to come....
The reason Solberg has offered to the newspapers seems to be a very poor excuse to abandon ship due to being offered the #2 position in the management, at least in my opinion.
Interesting to see, how this situation develops in the months to come....
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Bailing out after loosing the battle for the no 1. position is common practice I know. I just thought the timing odd, since the merger isn´t finalised yet. You know, the company is only a papercompany so far, with crew not integrated yet and bla bla bla.
What I mean is, why didn´t he stick around until everything was in place, and then bow out gracefully, job well done?
What I mean is, why didn´t he stick around until everything was in place, and then bow out gracefully, job well done?
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In my opinion a very poor choice indeed. "Scanor" is easily confused with "Scandinavian" and "Spanair", and gives no feeling of identity for neither ex-BU nor ex-SK pilots.
Another example of cowardly mismanagement from our hopelessly incompetent administration (May they be stuck on the last row in tourist class in a Thai B747 for all eternity).
Another example of cowardly mismanagement from our hopelessly incompetent administration (May they be stuck on the last row in tourist class in a Thai B747 for all eternity).
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Seems there is a deal. Good! Any BU guys know what it´s about.
All we (SK) know is, that there will be two lists
and that SK-SE and SK-DK pilots will have rights to FC positions in SK/BU but that BU pilots won´t have the vice versa. But that they (BU)instead get to keep full seniority in SK-BU
What else?
All we (SK) know is, that there will be two lists
and that SK-SE and SK-DK pilots will have rights to FC positions in SK/BU but that BU pilots won´t have the vice versa. But that they (BU)instead get to keep full seniority in SK-BUWhat else?
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Bu og norske sk/sc piloter flettes inn i sasbra. sk/sc får dobbel ansettelse, dvs sasbra lista og felleslista. Danske og svenske piloter kan søke kaptein i sasbra, men med 3 års frys. Velger de å avstå får de 7000kr kompensasjon/mnd. sasbra vil fly vestlandsrutene, dvs tot. ca 55 fly, inkl. f50. BU piloter kan ikke søke langruter. Bu piloter får ikke oppsigelse hvis det går dårlig i Danmark/Sverige/langruter. Oppsagte SK piloter får gjenninntreden til sin opprinnelige plass på lista ved nyansettelse. Det skal formes en felles forening. BU piloter går inn på SK sin K-avtale. BSF gir opp norsk lov til fordel for en harmonisk framtid med nye kollegaer.
Dette blir et slagkraftig selskap når alt er på plass.
Konsekvensen av å stemme denne avtalen ned er tap for begge parter. Anbefales på det sterkeste av BSF.
Ta høyde for at dette er min tolkning av det jeg har hørt, ikke en fasit.
God jul og godt nytt år fra Empati!
Dette blir et slagkraftig selskap når alt er på plass.
Konsekvensen av å stemme denne avtalen ned er tap for begge parter. Anbefales på det sterkeste av BSF.
Ta høyde for at dette er min tolkning av det jeg har hørt, ikke en fasit.
God jul og godt nytt år fra Empati!
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aaa,
Vi har ikke fået meget info, men det ser ud som om at vores bestyrelse selv vil sige ja eller nej til aftaleforslaget ved et møde i næste uge. Mange piloter vil have en urafstemning blandt hele korpset af piloter, jeg ved ikke hvor det ender. Vi kender faktisk ikke aftalen endnu! empati har fortalt mig mere, end min egen forening har fortalt mig
God jul
Vi har ikke fået meget info, men det ser ud som om at vores bestyrelse selv vil sige ja eller nej til aftaleforslaget ved et møde i næste uge. Mange piloter vil have en urafstemning blandt hele korpset af piloter, jeg ved ikke hvor det ender. Vi kender faktisk ikke aftalen endnu! empati har fortalt mig mere, end min egen forening har fortalt mig
God jul
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Så har vi haft medlemsmøder, hvor vi har fået fortalt hvordan aftalen hænger sammen.
Mit personlige indtryk:
God for BU kaptajner (hvis de bare vil blive på 737 i Norge)
Ok for SAS piloter (ingen store forandringer)
Dålig for BU styrmænd (I blev solgt af jeres kaptajner gutter)
Or did I miss something?
Mit personlige indtryk:
God for BU kaptajner (hvis de bare vil blive på 737 i Norge)
Ok for SAS piloter (ingen store forandringer)
Dålig for BU styrmænd (I blev solgt af jeres kaptajner gutter)
Or did I miss something?
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Hvornår...?
Tim,
Stort set mine observationer lige på en studs. Samtidig melder spørgsmålet sig om hvornår de yngste BU piloter får øjnene op for tingenes rette sammenhæng. Hvis de vil over(til os på den rigtige liste) kan de gøre det nu uden at det koster. Efter en nyansættelse(det tager tid, men det kommer) på kombilisten vil der her være en med en bedre kombiliste senioritet end de så nogensinde vil få.
Mit bud er at de yngste(antal ukendt) efter en rum tid gerne vil sidde med ved det store bord. Her sker der bare mere. Og de skal være velkomne. Prisen ligger fast som vi ved. Lige nu er det gratis for de yngste, senere er det noget andet.
Mvh Ramrise
Stort set mine observationer lige på en studs. Samtidig melder spørgsmålet sig om hvornår de yngste BU piloter får øjnene op for tingenes rette sammenhæng. Hvis de vil over(til os på den rigtige liste) kan de gøre det nu uden at det koster. Efter en nyansættelse(det tager tid, men det kommer) på kombilisten vil der her være en med en bedre kombiliste senioritet end de så nogensinde vil få.
Mit bud er at de yngste(antal ukendt) efter en rum tid gerne vil sidde med ved det store bord. Her sker der bare mere. Og de skal være velkomne. Prisen ligger fast som vi ved. Lige nu er det gratis for de yngste, senere er det noget andet.
Mvh Ramrise