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While waiting for some more sober replies to your rather diffuse question, I'd like to review some history:
Ever since the authorities "awarded" to SAS the routes Braathens had built up in South Africa & Far East (looong time ago) there has been a cold front betwen these two airlines' employees. The crewrooms were located at each far end of the terminal at Oslo Fornebu.
Now they will be forced to share the same flight deck. SK FO with a junior BU FC? Surely management aren't expecting them to chat leisurely about the pros and cons of seniority?
Synergy effects for bean-counters, maybe. Not good for CRM.
Ever since the authorities "awarded" to SAS the routes Braathens had built up in South Africa & Far East (looong time ago) there has been a cold front betwen these two airlines' employees. The crewrooms were located at each far end of the terminal at Oslo Fornebu.
Now they will be forced to share the same flight deck. SK FO with a junior BU FC? Surely management aren't expecting them to chat leisurely about the pros and cons of seniority?
Synergy effects for bean-counters, maybe. Not good for CRM.
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Now they will be forced to share the same flight deck. SK FO with a junior BU FC? Surely management aren't expecting them to chat leisurely about the pros and cons of seniority?
Lets get on with it!!
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Upgrading all the SK F/O´s to captains until youngest BU captain on the list
Upgrading SK F/O´s is according to the senority list only, whish include swedish and danish F/O also!! What about DOWNGRADING BU Captains until the oldest SK F/O on the list??
Your fantastic solution gives a very unbalanced relation between the No of captains and F/O´s . 3-400 upgrades to the SK F/O´s
Upgrading SK F/O´s is according to the senority list only, whish include swedish and danish F/O also!! What about DOWNGRADING BU Captains until the oldest SK F/O on the list??Your fantastic solution gives a very unbalanced relation between the No of captains and F/O´s . 3-400 upgrades to the SK F/O´s
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tastas and Timilu,
My scenario does not include Danes and Swedes of coarse! They have nothing to do with the new SAS Braathens and thank God for that! The Swedes have plenty to do with their own producution both domestic and Euro routes. The Danes can stick to their domestic routes (oops...) and a few intercont out of CPH until LH takes over that!
My scenario does not include Danes and Swedes of coarse! They have nothing to do with the new SAS Braathens and thank God for that! The Swedes have plenty to do with their own producution both domestic and Euro routes. The Danes can stick to their domestic routes (oops...) and a few intercont out of CPH until LH takes over that!
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And now I must throw your own often used question at ya´:Which planet are you from??
That would require the SK NO pilots to sign out of the "Kombilist" and break away from the 2 other unions in SAS. You go ask the Norwegian SK pilots if they want to do that!!
Keep dreaming!
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Dear HC
I must regret to inform you and many other BU pilots, that you are dealing with alot of Danes and Swedes in the integration of BU and SK pilots. Thinking that this is a Norwegian problem only is wishfull thinking
Why did the Danes go on strike???
Better crewmeals?? NOT.
By the way! When you are talking about upgrading Norwegian SK F/O´s to captains until you reach the youngest BU Capt. (mission impossible) Which senority are you talking about? Minus 5 years minimum I guess?
And what about the 348 SK pilots laid off??
I must regret to inform you and many other BU pilots, that you are dealing with alot of Danes and Swedes in the integration of BU and SK pilots. Thinking that this is a Norwegian problem only is wishfull thinking
Why did the Danes go on strike???Better crewmeals?? NOT.
By the way! When you are talking about upgrading Norwegian SK F/O´s to captains until you reach the youngest BU Capt. (mission impossible) Which senority are you talking about? Minus 5 years minimum I guess?
And what about the 348 SK pilots laid off??
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Maybe so HC, maybe so. (look, I´m a Dane, but I could´nt care less what you think of Danes in SAS. Say what you want about us, (lord knows, Danes have their opinions of Norwegians in SAS as well)and I´ll still shake hands when we meet as future colleagues.
But your opinion of danes and swedes just isn´t relevant in this discussion, a breakaway, as much as you´d recommend it, ain´t gonna happen.
So what now? To me, if the unions can´t agree by tomorrow, it looks like no integration of the 2 pilot body´s, and that would be a shame for SAS Braathens. And that could mean that running BUSK would be a whole lot more expensive than Solberg and Janssen had ever imagined.
We shall see!
But your opinion of danes and swedes just isn´t relevant in this discussion, a breakaway, as much as you´d recommend it, ain´t gonna happen.
So what now? To me, if the unions can´t agree by tomorrow, it looks like no integration of the 2 pilot body´s, and that would be a shame for SAS Braathens. And that could mean that running BUSK would be a whole lot more expensive than Solberg and Janssen had ever imagined.
We shall see!
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HC
What is the reason that the SK pilots should pay with seniority for the fact that SAS bought BU just before bankruptcy.
How about all fired SK pilots were offered a job in BUSK and then fire the surplus of BU pilots?
The remaining BU pilots could be offered a job including the same loss of seniority as the SC pilots are offered.
What is the reason that the SK pilots should pay with seniority for the fact that SAS bought BU just before bankruptcy.
How about all fired SK pilots were offered a job in BUSK and then fire the surplus of BU pilots?
The remaining BU pilots could be offered a job including the same loss of seniority as the SC pilots are offered.
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I`m new to this Forum.
But I think my signature says it all from approx 2500 SK pilots.
Just couldn`t help it.
Have a nice day.
BU should never have been bought.
But I think my signature says it all from approx 2500 SK pilots.
Just couldn`t help it.
Have a nice day.
BU should never have been bought.
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My scenario does not include Danes and Swedes of coarse! They have nothing to do with the new SAS Braathens and thank God for that!
SAS Braathens will not be only the 737 operation og SK and BU. SAS Braathens will include BU and the whole operation at the SK base, including A321, MD80, A330/340 and SAS Commuter pilots with OSL base working out of Denmark and Sweden.
SAS have recognised the common seniority list between the SAS pilots, and will not break it.
Your scenario, which will disregard the common seniority list of the SAS pilots, is not an option for the SAS pilots, and it is not an option for SAS. There is not any solution to the SK/BU merger problem that does not include the Danes and Swedes. You can like it or not.
Again: Ask your own union about this, and get down from that mystical Braathens planet and back to planet earth.
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I guess recent events has put this discussion in a different light. BUSK as an operative company with it's own AOC is dead. At least for quite a while.
It's a shame that CEO Solberg has promised and promised Bu employees what he has no control over. This scenario is becoming more and more like the situation with BU-Ground staff.
This is not an ideal situation for any party. I feel sorry for BU-pilots being promised heaven, and ending up with the short stick
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SK-pilot
It's a shame that CEO Solberg has promised and promised Bu employees what he has no control over. This scenario is becoming more and more like the situation with BU-Ground staff.
This is not an ideal situation for any party. I feel sorry for BU-pilots being promised heaven, and ending up with the short stick
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With the last info available guess the SK guys are in for more redundencies.... Sad story.
Guess the danes will keep dragging Y´alls a.... down the tubes. I really feel for you guys. Good luck!
Guess the danes will keep dragging Y´alls a.... down the tubes. I really feel for you guys. Good luck!
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HC,
You obviously have no idea what the agreement between SAS and SK unions says. You are so un-informed that you´re embarressing yourself without knowing it.
And when will you accept the fact, that the 3 SK unions negotiate as one. You can talk about Danes dragging others down the drains from now on until christmas, and everyone who knows how things really work will keep laughing at you until New Year.
You obviously have no idea what the agreement between SAS and SK unions says. You are so un-informed that you´re embarressing yourself without knowing it.
And when will you accept the fact, that the 3 SK unions negotiate as one. You can talk about Danes dragging others down the drains from now on until christmas, and everyone who knows how things really work will keep laughing at you until New Year.