JJflyer

Hmmm... After a night out I should have given this thread a better name... How about "Anything happening up in thaaa Nordic" or something in that lines.

Anyways I was interested in happenings of the Nordic countries in general. And naturally to get some action here.

TJ B747's in Arlanda... Well who knows. Air Atlanta was looking at them some time ago to use them on the Hajj. Seems that it would be cost prohibitive to get them running again. There are more aircraft available sitting in Mojave and other places in US that can be used. Might be that it is cheaper to just fly them over. Perhaps the cold nordic withers and wet summers et springs et autumns are detrimental to old aircraft.

Now that we are splitting the hairs, I'll participate with pleasure. Just have a look at the map of Finland. Focus on the tri-border area where Finland, Norway and Sweden have a common border marker. Now that one could call Scandinavia. Denmark on the other hand is not even geographically connected to Scandinavia, rather to central Europe.

Kiitti vaan ja thunder

JJ

MD900 Explorer

Jeg ser att hele Nordisk Forum har blitt hypnotisert i en geografisk debatt.....

Og for den grunnen har dere tydeligvis gått glipp av litt som skjer i "Skandiland".

f.eks.. Svensk SAR Helikopter Ulykke

For de som flyr i Sør skandinavia så er dette noe å tenke på...!!

Mine tanker er med de som omkom og familien deres.

Men jeg har litt forklaring på hvorfor noen måtte sette opp en "Thread" på hva som skjer i skandiland, er fordi det må være jævlig kjedlig å fly fixed wing ikke sant... (Take off - auto pilot engaged Mind in neutral - coffee please - sleep a little - land)

Bare på en litt mer humorisk tema, Gnd Mode. Encyclopedian din må nok være ut av dato, fordi vi alle sammen vet jo att Finland er ikke i skandinavia, men den delen som kom seg unna av Russland

Come on guys ikke la Nordic Forum bli kjøleskapet til pprune.....

(Oh sorry to those who don't speak Norwegian or understand it, this will give you guys who do a chance to tell those who don't understand )

Med vennlig Hilsen

MD900 Explorer

"To fly is godly, but to hover is divine"

Miserlou

Conan,
I'm not going to get drawn into the debate as I don't see there is anything to discuss. Your definition is fine. Interestingly, as a side note to this, it can be noted that the Finnish language is more closely related to Urdu than to the scandinavian languages.

I just thought it was strange how the subject was being avoided.

bluesafrica

Sure looks like that Scandinavia seems to be a sacred area. Could some of those scandis tell if there is any companies hiring in Sweden or Norway. What are requirements for foreign pilots other than JAR-FCL licence and EU citizenship. Mainly, do you need to be able to speak Swedish or Norwegian fluently?? How about in Finland, is fluent Finnish language required ?
Blues

JJflyer

Jag kan tala Svenska och jag forstor Dansk och Norsk. But I choose to write in english.

MD900 Explorer

I too can write English, but assumed that because it was a Nordic Forum, that it would be ok to write in Norwegian.

Anyway JJ, i thought Flaps was moderator here, or have i come to the wrong forum?'

No wonder there is nothing going on in this forum, you are all a bunch of synical sad gits, with ****** all to say when you come to this forum

Techman

Amen.

bluesafrica

Looks like aviation is too difficult item for these boys, how about ice hockey. Who is the best in the north?
Blues

Gnd Mode

Yeah, yeah. Says someone from country that was very easily occupied in WWII... Can't you do anything but talk bull**** ?

About actual topic:

Finnish Commuter Airlines operation with ERJ has started well, rumoured arrival of next plane is next spring. Total fleet would according to rumours be 6 to 12 in some three to five years.

Blue1 has ceased recruiting at least for a short while. There are still many succesfull applicants who have not been told the schedule for type rating. Rumour is that this is because of shortage of trainers and training capacity.

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Flap Sup

"Wots happening in Scandi...?" - Plenty, but not for Flap Sup!

Expansionwise: Blue1, Nordic Airlink, Norwegian and Sterling are the most visible airlines for the public for the time. They all use the LoCo model (although B1 also feed sas). Lots of smaller airlines preparing for point to point serving of small markets. In other words, more or less the same as in the rest of Europia.
Other airlines are struggeling, especially Maersk, and to some extend, Cimber. Both have had a close connection with the everpresent sas, both haev broken that connection, and both have just started new codeshare flights with sas. Finnair is also under a lot of pressure, partially from sas and their partners, but now also from their own Nordic airlink.

Aviation politicswise: SAS in trouble (althoug getting better) may use some of their subsidiaries to operate on yheir own routes to increase profit. BU, KF, JZ, BD and WF move closer to taking over more SAS routes, giving bad vibes in SAS.
Speaking of sas, they have launched a LoCo called snowflake. Some may think that it was a stupid move to start a LoCo, when it mainly competes with its own owner, however it seems that snowflake was mainly created to keep some of the stronger LoCos at bay (Ryan, Easy). Was it a smart move? Well, if snowflake keeps expanding, it will push mainline sas out of routes. If it stops expanding, it will slowly die. Time will tell.

Hockeywise: I'm out of the loop, but I belive that Sweden is ahead of Finland and Norway for the time being. All three contries deliver some of the worlds best players. Denmark is not really in that league.

Flap Supwise: Still looking for a job.
/FS
PS Skal vi ikke prøve at holde os fra mudderkastningen? (Lets leave the mud-throwing to R&N)

MD900 Explorer

Hey, you need to lighten up - or are those dark nights drawing in and the vodka is coming out more often than it did

Glad to see you eventually found the thread again.

Blue

If it is ice hockey you are after, then try the Canadian forum, Guaranteed response, and they are a more livly bunch

(La mudder kastingen begynne.... )

MD900 Explorer

Yes that was MD900 not MD90....

bluesafrica

MD 900,
I was actually trying to get some news about recent stage of aviation in the north. Ended up middle of the area disputes...
Therefore I thought that you folks maybe able to talk at least ice hockey without heating up who comes from where and whos language is related to urdu or who lives the wrong side of the mountain.
Maybe better stay here on the river bank and try to survire regular attacts of malaria instead.
Blues


PS. Canadian ice hockey doesn't interest me, you are more entertaining.

MD900 Explorer

Blue,

It would be good to get some aviation rumours here, but as as you said, it turned into a geographical debate.

As for the ice hockey, i see your point..... But one thing confuses me, as to why you are so interested in the dark cold (Brrr) nights here, when you have heat and sunshine where you are?

Beats me. I am sure you will get to see more narrow minded geography lessons, before any decent aviation stuff happens here. Maybe you should start a thread and get them thinking?

Glad to see the Nordic Forum is putting a smile on your face..

MD900

Autorotate, Autorotate.....

bluesafrica

MD900,
To tell the truth, I am after your women! They are million time better looking than local examples here and I would give a damn what language they may speak!

Seriously, I think that there is a lot happening in aviation. I hope that all new and existing companies will survire the attacts from each others. Also these low fare competitors , Easy and Ryanair namely will want they share from Nordic markets. Same time SAS and Finnair at least are not in best financial stage. Wonder if Finnair actually ownes many planes any longer. Lot of them seem to be on "lease back". Same applies for SAS.

Interesting part is that both big ones are also building aggressively competition for them selves. Strange, to say the least!
Have Fun!
Blues

Flap Sup

Blues,

seen from a local point of view, only one of the biggies, add competition for itself, namely Finnair. With nordic Airlink, they will operate interscandinavian flts, going on direct competition with sas, sterling and norwegian. That philosophy is a 'make or break' philosophy. If they make it, Finnair itself will be the next target for Nordic airlink. If tehy break, it will have cost Finnair a lot of money.
Just a couple of months ago, AY released a horrible financial result, suggesting cutdowns and costreducing. As other european airlines started cutting cost and adjusting capacity approx two years ago, it makes me wonder if AY started too late.

Snowflake on the other hand is only ops flts to keep other LoCo away from unusual citypairs. ARN to LYS, PMI, LIS and ESB, CPH to SJJ, BEG, and BLQ. Its very far away from sas corebusiness, but if it makes money, who can blame them for doing it. If anything, they grab a few pax from Lufthansa, as they ops lots of flts into balkan and southeast Europe.
With the ongoing financial reconstruction of sas, they ought to make a tough rival, even for the LoCos.

Any thoughts on this from other scandinavians (using a broad definition of scnadinavia here, meaning Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns, Icelanders, anyone from the Baltic states, as long as the Skåninger stays away )

/FS

Gnd Mode

I disagree with you strongly on this. I think it was a great move from Finnair, if they can make it to work. What do you mean by next target being Finnair itself ? AY has 85% of the shares, so quess who decides how Nordic Airlink operates... One thing that makes it a wise move, is the fact that they own couple of MD's that almost nobody want's to buy for any reasonable price. SAS has been able to kick almost all rivals out from it's main routes, but this one may be thougher. AY has not made such a huge losses that SAS in the last couple of years, so they are financially in a reasonable condition. When was the last time SAS has made profit ?

Q3 was on the plus side for AY (press statement 18.11). Operational profits were 5,3 MEuro, so it seems to be on the healthy side. They expect to make loss this year altogether, but it seems that next year they are making profit whole year.

Maybe they (SAS and AY) will compete each other dead, and then Lufthansa picks up remaining pieces ?

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Dolcevita

Yes, Finnair made some profit while the SCANDINAVIAN major SAS is in the dissipating stage... For how long, only heaven knows. And the subsidiaries are taking over little by little.

Ok, I won't start all over this Scandi-Nordic-Russian-Denmark-Finland -****. Because the thread starter wanted to raise some conversation about what's happening here in NORTH (whatever it means), I would like to tell you what the definition "Scandinavia" means from SAS's point of view. SAS had a big campaign in the Finnish newspapers etc. where there was a big finnish flag waving and below that flag this text: "it's Scandinavian". So if we want to keep this conversation related to industrial facts, this is the definition.

And MD900, I flew helicopters when you were hanging in your daddys balls, so this is my recommendation: try to get a little bit broader knowledge of aviation. Your kind of macho guys are the ones who make the accidents to happen. Don't take this personally. Take it as a hint. Before you ever apply to fly some multicrew helicopter.

Techman

Dolcevita, I see that SAS's advertising efforts went straight over you head.
Look up SAS's new ad slogan. You might be surprised.

Dolcevita

Tech, would you kindly tell what is the new slogan? Surprise me, pls.

MD900 Explorer

You have no idea what you are talking about. I strongly suggest that you wind your neck in. I also strongly advise you to stick to the facts before launching downright rude attacks on the forum members. This is exactly why this forum is going down the pan quicker than a fixed wing with no power.

I choose to go to this forum , because i find out what the aviation industry is like in Nordic countries. If i want abuse, i go to the Jet Blast forum. What ever provoked an outburst like this, i have no idea. But if this is demonstrative of the shallow narrow mindedness available, then that is just depressing.

If this is the kind of Crap you can dish out, i can safely say that i would never step into an aircraft with you. CRM the Dolcevita way. I have been flying multi-crew IFR for many years, and i have never crashed anything vaguely looking like a helicopter. So back your statements up with facts before you try and belittle someone. It's guys like you that make my blood boil

Yet it's guys like me that will have to save your sorry arses, when you get it all totally wrong. Dolcevita, GET A LIFE!!

This thread sucks, and so does half the forum (If Dolcevita is a fair representative?) I am suprised that this forum hasn't been shut down yet!!

Skjærp deg Dolcevita.

MD 900