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typerated 1st February 2026 05:44

They wanted much higher performance than the air trainer. Not many side by side options.

DuckDodgers 1st February 2026 07:43


Originally Posted by typerated (Post 12030532)
They wanted much higher performance than the air trainer. Not many side by side options.

And I come back to the point of has it affected the output and input standard just because the instructor isn’t adjacent to you? There’s not a right or wrong answer, the output is what matters, and I suspect with CBL / CBTA it becomes even more moot.

Now then, as air forces shrink the interesting question is where do you set the baseline for entry (aptitude et al) and should the streaming point stay where it is, move left or move right? Some believe you can stream from selection based on empirical data sets. Fascinating times.

Darth49 15th May 2026 17:51

AERALIS has just gone into administration! No cash left

sycamore 15th May 2026 18:10

Best for MOD to send someone around to `43 Belgrave Square`,to see if they can help...

Darth49 15th May 2026 18:39

AERALIS is in administration

BBadanov 15th May 2026 20:45


Originally Posted by DuckDodgers (Post 12030317)
Air 5428 Phase One PTS has successfully taken ab-initios straight onto PC-21 with ZERO issues at both East Sale and now Pearce with streaming occurring after Phase Two with multi-engine folk going straight to the OCU. Guess what? The kids have coped absolutely fine on C27, C130J, C17, KC30, P8, and E7.

Although there is no "OCU" per se for any of these types, I understand your point.
But to follow on, I think we should have a "737 type" OCU for the P-8, E-7 and VIP aircraft to save on circuit-bashing for conversions and continuation to these types. Two or three similar ex-airline 737-7 or -8s could fulfil this role in a dedicated training flight (much like the TAP-3s were able to do) and save on fatigue/hours/effort of the front line units.

Bob Viking 15th May 2026 21:28

RIP Aeralis
 
British firm vying to build next Red Arrows jets collapses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwp11v82lno

Sad but inevitable.

BV

harrogate 16th May 2026 05:04


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 12086878)
British firm vying to build next Red Arrows jets collapses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwp11v82lno

Sad but inevitable.

BV

Realistically, a firm only employing 30 people today was not going to be winning the contract, no matter how long winded the MoD are with it.

Any contract will inevitably go to one of the five or so major players.

_SpinFlight_ 16th May 2026 10:07


Originally Posted by harrogate (Post 12086960)
Realistically, a firm only employing 30 people today was not going to be winning the contract, no matter how long winded the MoD are with it.

Any contract will inevitably go to one of the five or so major players.

Thirty? They can’t even tell the truth on that 🙄 although if they include their long list of associates you might get to that number. Mr China 🇨🇳 may now have to find a new advisory role too. Blaming MOD and the DIP delay is disingenuous at best, wait for the we’ll restructure 🤫🫣

ATNotts_2 16th May 2026 11:37


Originally Posted by harrogate (Post 12086960)
Realistically, a firm only employing 30 people today was not going to be winning the contract, no matter how long winded the MoD are with it.

Any contract will inevitably go to one of the five or so major players.

For the life of me I cannot understand why the MOD ever thought it might have been a good idea to think a tiny business could somehow provide a fast jet trainer to replace the Hawk.

It sounds like more political posturing to placate a particular section of society, but like the pint bottles of Champagne!

chevvron 16th May 2026 11:42


Originally Posted by ATNotts_2 (Post 12087128)
For the life of me I cannot understand why the MOD ever thought it might have been a good idea to think a tiny business could somehow provide a fast jet trainer to replace the Hawk.

It sounds like more political posturing to placate a particular section of society, but like the pint bottles of Champagne!

It's only in administration not liquidation so someone like Branson could buy the project (I don't think)

GeeRam 16th May 2026 11:56


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 12087131)
It's only in administration not liquidation so someone like Branson could buy the project (I don't think)

What project?
There's nothing to buy.

_SpinFlight_ 16th May 2026 12:33


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 12087136)
What project?
There's nothing to buy.

There are some pretty graphics and not overly detailed CAD blueprints…….anything down to the ICD level simply does not exist.

chevvron 19th May 2026 18:01

Meanwhile, the CAF have announced they will be purchasing the CT 157 Siskin II which is based on the Pilatus PC 21.

_SpinFlight_ 19th May 2026 18:46


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 12088743)
Meanwhile, the CAF have announced they will be purchasing the CT 157 Siskin II which is based on the Pilatus PC 21.

If the RAF were smart, they’d ditch Texan at the same time as replacing Hawk by left shifting in the pipeline reducing that what is required in a jet.

jethro15 22nd May 2026 21:11

Red Arrows to fly with fewer jets to preserve ageing fleet - BBC News

Navy_Adversary 22nd May 2026 21:58

Wouldn't the U S Navy have plenty of spare T-45 Goshawks lying around in boneyards in the USA? A dozen of them would help until Healy wins the lottery.

Chronic Snoozer 23rd May 2026 00:00


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 12088743)
Meanwhile, the CAF have announced they will be purchasing the CT 157 Siskin II which is based on the Pilatus PC 21.

That was announced a while ago https://asiapacificdefencereporter.c...-gen-trainers/. Recent media releases are about purchasing more aircraft as a replacement for the Tutor - IOW Snowbirds.

chevvron 23rd May 2026 07:22

Careful with your 'Tutors', the Canadian one and the UK one are totally different aircraft.

stickstirrer 23rd May 2026 13:25

New Boss and no new Aircraft
 
What a change. Female Wg Cmdr no doubt driven by recent shenanigans by male team members ( Red and Blue) and no new British jet replacement in sight for the Hawk.
Will any British government accept a non British aircraft for the Reds? A turbo prop straight wing?
A 4 aircraft team? Perhaps all female and/or from non white backgrounds to emphasise RAF commitment to DEI?
Or perhaps no national military aerobatic team just role demos by one fighter jet, one transport aircraft and a helicopter flown by regular front line aircrew?
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