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Originally Posted by ORAC
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No, body reportedly recovered from the rubble of his compound along with those of his son and his daughter-in-law.
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Iran is claiming to have closed the Strait of Hormuz.
That would appear to be a claim far exceeding their current naval and missile capability. Video Is the Strait of Hormuz Open or Closed? |
Originally Posted by JanetFlight
(Post 12044522)
Was him a father!!??? (and had a daughter too!!???) i tought it wasnt allowed as an Ayatollah...
Though I understand daughters are discouraged; Real Muslims are supposed to have sons. ;) |
The Low-cost Unmanned Combat Attack System (LUCAS) UCASs used en masse by the US were reverse-engineered from an Iranian design
American-Made Shahed-136 Kamikaze Drone Clones Being Tested By Marines https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...-iran-strikes/ |
What does it actually take to close the Strait to commercial traffic? One ship attacked by a fast patrol boat? The announcement has been made, how risk averse are the operators?
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Was him a father!!??? (and had a daughter too!!???) i tought it wasnt allowed as an Ayatollah... Which is why Islam seems to run towards nepotism and so many claiming direct descent from the prophet - including the Khamenei family. A lineage, alas, which seems to have ended at the 38th generation…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamenei_family |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 12044528)
What does it actually take to close the Strait to commercial traffic? One ship attacked by a fast patrol boat? The announcement has been made, how risk averse are the operators?
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Many tanx for all your answers ,,Got it ;)
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Videos coming out of cars honking and cheering from the streets of Iran.
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So it seems that this is the first good day in the Middle East since the CIA gave the northern alliance the stinger missiles.
can only get better. And quite frankly, who cares how he died whether it was in the air or on the ground. |
Reports some vessels are already making alternative arrangements. The insurers will be the ones forcing decisions. War risk insurers have submitted some cancellation notices already for policies covering ships moving through the Strait of Hormuz https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1156476...-flows-for-now Trading houses suspend oil shipments through Strait of Hormuz but traffic flows for now |
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Apparently, Trump has announced that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is dead.
Beaten at the post. |
Celebrations in Iran
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Ambassador Walz addressing UN now - live on Fox News - explaining reasons for the action and why it was lawful.
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DXB Dubai just got hit by missiles...some wounded it seems
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 12044450)
I am not sure targeted more like un-targeted according to my old company staff based there.
There will be a retaliation. Iran won't know when or even what it was i.e. sometime things just happen. Edit : just saw DXB got hit. I posted a few days ago that the mentality at play is that the action is more important than the consequence. That is unfortunately coming home to roost. The Iran regime will be hunted down for as long as it takes. |
Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
(Post 12044557)
Ambassador Walz addressing UN now - live on Fox News - explaining reasons for the action and why it was lawful.
They don't recognise the UN or any international norm. |
Just as a reminder, according to the NYT and after the last attack, the regime already had succession plans in place in case of a decapitation attack.
Just need to work out who is still alive…… See previous post: https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...l#post12041096 |
Originally Posted by Auxtank
(Post 12044542)
No, these are Persians being liberated from an ideological regime.
This is nothing like Afghanistan or Iraq. Read up on your history before posting. |
Iranians in exile in USA celebrating in Los Angeles
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VideoThe famous Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai was just hit by an Iranian drone/missile.
The hotel is on fire. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e79cd1fe2.jpeg |
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BREAKING: Fires and destruction reported at Jebel Ali Port in the UAE, a key port that hosts US military ships. |
Originally Posted by zambonidriver
(Post 12044565)
Definitely different circumstances but the question remains valid.
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Worldwide celebrations by Iranians in exile now. Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi who currently resides in the USA could take over until elections held
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RAF Airbus A400M Atlas attempting to land as a missile attack in Qatar is/was happening few moments ago RRR9947 - ZM405 |
Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 12044560)
There will be a retaliation. Iran won't know when or even what it was i.e. sometime things just happen. Edit : just saw DXB got hit. I posted a few days ago that the mentality at play is that the action is more important than the consequence. That is unfortunately coming home to roost. The Iran regime will be hunted down for as long as it takes. The west has for a long long time under estimated the fanatical regimes and their ability to strike where not expected, BinLaden proved that. As much as American has the military might, technical ability and hardware to prosecute these actions, it’s the follow up guerrilla warfare with a bomb in a car or a bomb in a boat that they will struggle against. Just let us hope that the people do rise up and throw out the regime, because the US will never be able to do that without boots on the ground, and the consequences of the regime surviving may be the Trojan horse in the Americans side for years to come. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12044584)
Meanwhile all indications are the B-2s are inbound for a night strike.
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There is so much electricity and internet iñ Tteheran at the moment?
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Reference my comment about the lte morning attack.
US official confirms to Fox that US believes Khamenei and 5-10 top Iranian leaders killed in initial Israeli strike on compound; agree with Israel’s intelligence assessment. A senior US defense official tells me that the US government agrees with the Israeli assessment that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is dead, along with 5-10 other top Iranian leaders who were all meeting at a compound in Tehran Saturday morning. The top IRGC commander also killed. Multiple sources tell me that the timeline for the strike had to be moved up based on intelligence and this “target of opportunity.” “There was a deliberate decision to accelerate the timeline,” officials told Fox. That is why the US and Israel took the unusual decision to strike during the daytime to achieve the element of surprise and to target this meeting. Normally the US military would not launch an operation like this during the day. The meeting accelerated the timeline. “This was a massive, wildly bold daytime attack,” a senior US defense official told me. “It caught the senior leadership off guard, a Saturday morning during Ramadan and on Shabbat in the daytime.” “We hit the senior leaders right out of the gate.” (Israel conducted the targeted strike). |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12044584)
Meanwhile all indications are the B-2s are inbound for a night strike.
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Originally Posted by Hangarless
(Post 12044587)
We know that there will be casualties, but such is the importance of the removal of the radical mullah regime.
Trump was blatantly clear last night when he said in Texas that there will be nothing left that the regime will be able to fight with which the Saudi's and other Arab nations are on board with. I truly hope it works out with very few casualties on the wests side, but……. |
Originally Posted by Hangarless
(Post 12044587)
We know that there will be casualties, but such is the importance of the removal of the radical mullah regime.
. Why now? Answer me that, there is nothing like a good old war to deflect peoples concerns from what is happening at home. |
Dan Scavino, WH Deputy COS indicated to us yesterday that the B2s were getting ready but your PPRUNE minute by minute news feed, that we are forced to endure, appears to have missed it. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 12044602)
Why now? Answer me that, there is nothing like a good old war to deflect peoples concerns from what is happening at home.
Let's think the Iranians want a secular democracy. Free of hardline Islamic Marxists, and free of the shackles of the IRGC. Could it be that the ex-Shah's son, Reza Pahlavi, has a role? |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 12044602)
Why now? Answer me that, there is nothing like a good old war to deflect peoples concerns from what is happening at home.
Local US politics has little to do with it, I would suggest.( further debate on the JB Thread may be more appropriate.) |
You think this is freedom? You kill the heads of a regime without anything in place to take up slack and you get anarchy, i just hope it does not follow the route that Iraq went down.
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I posted this question elsewhere some days ago when tensions started rising. Given this report from the BBC, posing questions as to the effectiveness of defences against this Iranian riposte, have lessons not been learnt from Ukr? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5nm6v2p4no
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Assad, Sadam, Osama Bin Laden, Gaddafi.
Maduro - Cuba, and now Iran.... Wonder what Putin's thinking about..... |
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Bickering and bad manners I can do without. I believe this forum provides valuable insights and am very grateful. |
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