UK decided Hong Kong should have democracy only when they were leaving not before. Why not ?

Why do you feel you have to abuse people personally when you disagree with their viewpoint ?

QUEST1 has had it's tracker turned off since 19 May heading to Mediterranean (MEDITE)
So what was is doing at Gibraltar in July if it wasn't heading back to some clandestine delivery to a rogue nation?

Quod erat demonstrandum

Racedo (and the likes of Van) are useful as they stick out a foot occasionally to interrupt the group think that can settle in on here

I'm sure West Coast, SAS-less and some of the other Cold War warriors don't object to having their tails tweaked occasionally.........

Does this not read like......It looks like we have screwed our Navy over so much we can't protect our own ships, I know. let's suggest we have an international force and get them to do it for us.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...rce/ar-AAEKfy2

Van brings a ranging perspective. Racedo is like a broken record.

Dancing on the head of a pin. The EU is there for us, unlike the US.


There are other ironies here also (see above).

Group think brought Communism, Nazis, Vietnam, Iraq plus lots of other cases when people who could have done something early didn't and the body count went into the millions.

Some people will always do as they are told, others won't.

Wouldn't it be easier to stop the drums of war and ask WTF is going on and why is everybody jumping to someones tune, who is sitting back and claim not involved.

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How very noble. Don't kid.yourself racedo, you're just being contrary because.you get a kick out of it.

"Why do you choose to make a thread personal about someone ? As someone who has openly supported Trump since 2016 then your assessment kind of falls flat."

Just interested in what drives you Racdeo - for the record I'm a middle of the road, wishy washy Liberal who doesn't trust anything any politician or newspaper says

As for supporting Trump since 2016 ... how do you know?? I've only been posting on here since late 2018 ....................

In fact I think he's a disgrace - the worst ever US President - a man I wouldn't allow to be in the same room alone with any female for a start..............

Who said anything about you supporting Trump ? You made the assessment on me and I showed it up as a personal attack with little knowledge as I am an open Trump supporter and have been for 3 yrs. You attempting to dig at me rather than focus on the thread.

Anyone care to give odds on HMS Montrose being seized next?

"As someone who has openly supported Trump since 2016 then your assessment "

led me to believe you were referring to me

If its you that supports Trump well I apologise ... and sympathize

During a relatively short trip, a thought crossed my mind. We seem to be many frigates, carriers, submarines and support vessels short of a navy. Wouldn't it therefore make sense to approach the Yanks for a repeat of the 1940/41 WW2 agreement where GB traded territory for fifty fairly rancid WW1 American destroyers ?

The trade-off - which heralded the start of the American dismemberment of the British Empire - perhaps created a useful diplomatic and commercial precedent. Introducing the Yanks to disaffected component parts of the British Isles might attract some serious equipment offers.

The Scots are always trumpeting independence. How many frigates would that be worth ? Prestigious Scottish golf venues might raise the ante to include a few doddery aircraft carriers and so on. I'm sure you get the general idea ! Fond as I am of the Isle of Wight, I would not like to lose that amenity, although if someone dangled an entire fleet I could be tempted.

Sorry Mate....we booted some disaffected Brits back in the 1700's and Trump already has a very nice Golf Venue in Scotland.

You were some disaffected Brits back in the 1700's.