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airsound 2nd May 2012 19:21

I know all that, Ken - and I don't disagree.

But can't you find it in your heart to rejoice just a bit when two great big brand new beasts are actually, finally, there at Brize?

Even if one of them is only there for a day or two.

airsound

Buster the Bear 2nd May 2012 19:36

Well according to FR24 F-WWZ (something) was heading in that direction today.

Less Hair 3rd May 2012 13:55

Cottbus-Drewitz in Germany seems to be next for testing. 1500 meters of grass runway available.

VinRouge 3rd May 2012 14:39

Its a real shame that the J didnt have active stress monitoring across all frames. We were hammering jets into strips very rarely in the Stan, despite landing on natural surfaces 4-5 times a day.

Crews very quickly seemed to realise that hammering the jet iaw the manual onto a rollered strip like bastion wasnt very sensible. People very quickly were using pretty standard landing techniques on a strip that was pretty flat and I daresay consumed far less fatigue index than the sortie profile gobbled up on the database.

I dont doubt the Block 16 CDS and 2 hours at low level on tac sorties hasnt helped, but I would be really interested to see the results of a NDT test programme on the outer wing boxes - I wonder if for once there would be a pleasant surprise.

Or, am I completely wrong and are the wings showing physical signs of cracking? I heard there were problems with flap hinges, but this is a completely seperate issue from the wing spar fatigue issues and down to our modus operandi.

Out of interest, is the 400 spar metal or composite?

Rulebreaker 3rd May 2012 21:52

The A400m has composite skins stringers and spars with metallic ribs.

cyrilranch 9th May 2012 17:12

Voyager and Grizzly together
 
AAR - A400M gets up close and personal with Voyager tanker

By Craig Hoyle on May 9, 2012 12:47 PM | Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBacks (0) |ShareThis
An A400M has made its first "dry" air-to-air refuelling (AAR) contacts behind an Airbus Military A330 multi-role tanker/transport, with one of the company's "Grizzly" development aircraft having achieved the milestone last week.

Airbus Military, which supplied the image below, says 30 contacts were made with the hose basket trailing from the A330's Cobham-supplied fuselage refuelling unit. This is a unique configuration so far, having been implemented for the UK Royal Air Force's AirTanker-supplied "Voyager" fleet.

"The tests demonstrated the stability of both aircraft when flying in close formation and while refuelling," says Airbus Military. Previous work had been performed behind an RAF Vickers VC10 tanker flown out of Toulouse, France.

The fresh activity represents good news for the UK; the only A400M customer nation so far to also be buying the A330 as a tanker. The "Voyager" aircraft involved in the work has previously conducted "wet" refuelling trials with Royal Air Force combat aircraft, during which hose stability and fuel venting issues were encountered, as I wrote in a feature article late last month.

Fresh trials are expecetd to occur in the UK from later this month to assess whether both problems have been solved.

AAR - A400M gets up close and personal with Voyager tanker - The DEW Line

pilot9248 11th May 2012 15:18

Engine trouble
 
Hi,

A400M gets initial certification, as engine problem strands MSN4

apparently they have replaced one pre-production engine of MSN6 with one of the first four production engines. How is this going to work out? Will they just use the next four engines for MSN7?

Has Airbus Military released any information on the MSN4 engine failure so far? They're not really running out of serviceable engines, are they?

Let's hope it is not the HPC again.

keesje 22nd May 2012 15:36

This week soft runways trails will start in Cottbus, Germany, with Grizzly 2.

Grizzly 2 heads for unpaved runway trials - The DEW Line

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/portal...M/About/09.jpg

VinRouge 23rd May 2012 08:02

Not uncommon with prop ac. Checking my songbook, I managed to shut down 3 engines in 6 months on the J when the response to an eng vibration changed.

Sounds as if the oman shutdown was more electric wiggle if they don't know what caused it...

Flap62 23rd May 2012 08:15

VinRouge,

from your earlier:


hammering the jet
Jet? Really?

Ken Scott 23rd May 2012 12:04

Jet = colloquial expression, common amongst air forces, to describe an aircraft.

The props are driven by gas turbines so not strictly inaccurate. No ones calls it a 'prop'.

keesje 24th May 2012 13:54

Not much to do with flight testing just fun/PR I guess..

X3 : THE ENCOUNTER 2


keesje 24th May 2012 14:16

and .. first shots of A400M driving around the German countryside..:D


I think specially the high energy stops are crusial (~4:50). A lot of effort went into not damaging soft strip for continued opeartions..

Rengineer 24th May 2012 15:26

Looks great keesje!
What's with the reports they had to interrupt testing that same day, and fly home? Did they taxi over the airfield manager's flowerbed, or was it something serious?

[Edited: Even more serious...]

keesje 28th May 2012 22:53

Renginee, it seems the left mainwheels chewed into the grass during the max energy stop.


"The left-hand main wheels went through the upper surface of the runway at the end of a maximum braked rejected take-off exercise,"
http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/g...x?itemid=45887

Soft ground cuts short A400M landing trials

VinRouge 29th May 2012 06:35

I hope after our afghan experience they are planning to see the effect of stony strips on the aircraft.

theboywide 29th May 2012 18:54

Gravel strips are on the test plan!

pilot9248 5th June 2012 15:24

The Oman shutdown of a flight test engine was due to a failure of the propeller gearbox (again...). The engine is currently scheduled for maintenance.
The production engine has been disassembled for further examination in order to determine the source(s) of excess vibration.

wiggy 7th June 2012 21:38

Great to see a very impressive and very noisy stream of 5 of the beasts heading south out of Blagnac this lunchtime....:D

BEagle 7th June 2012 22:18

Yes, I saw a nice photo earlier this evening of all 5 together!

The gearbox incident was an indication / false alert, wasn't it?

Looking forward to seeing the aircraft at Farnborough!

airsound 7th June 2012 22:28

Your word is my command Beags

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../5Grizzly3.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../5Grizzly2.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../5Grizzly1.jpg

Good innit

airsound

keesje 7th June 2012 23:00

:D impressive pictures..

stilton 8th June 2012 06:39

Seems like a very capable Aircraft. Does anyone know if the flight control system operates similarly to the Airbus Commercial transports ?


For example:


Non moving Autothrottles and hard limits on manoeuvering / g limits / under/ over speed protections etc ..

BEagle 8th June 2012 07:04

Flight envelope protection is included in the A400M's FBW software, so it therefore has the benefit of allowing 'carefree' manoeuvring up to the extremes of the envelope without the risk of structural damage.

The A400M is very agile for its class - as anyone attending Farnborough or RIAT will be able to witness. 2.5G has always been the manoeuvre value assumed in the A400M technical review brochure, with a structural ability to cope with sustained 3.0G turns at lower weight.

keesje 8th June 2012 09:02

video of 5 ship formation

Airbus Military | Multimedia

pilot9248 9th June 2012 06:45

BEagle,

the PGB has been removed from the engine and is going to be replaced. That's all I know. Reconditioning will probably involve some modifications as well.

SWBKCB 6th July 2012 21:18

Grizzly Atlas
 
From Flight Global:

RIAT: A400M reborn as 'Atlas'

swp53 7th July 2012 18:20

Grizzly is a more punchy name in my opinion. Is Atlas the son of Noratlas. Like someone already said add a T at the end and have Atlast did the P.R. sales guru's not think that would happen?

VX275 7th July 2012 21:22

Its not a letter T that needs adding to Atlas, its an F at the start and an S at the end, as befits such a portly design.

Heathrow Harry 8th July 2012 09:46

The MoD has run down the stock of "Z"'s available for documents so they had to chose something else

thesimtech 9th July 2012 13:14

RAF buying A400m simulator
 
Just noticed this on the Beeb, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-18765784.
Looks like good news for the secret Oxfordshire airbase!:D:D:ok:

Ken Scott 9th July 2012 13:57

Just the one sim? Doesn't leave much redundancy for faults nor any capacity for when software & other upgrades take place. And £50m for one sim? Seems a tad expensive to my eyes, unless that's a whole package - training facility, staffing etc.

Blue Bottle 9th July 2012 14:26

And a new Hangar

BBC News - Plans for new hangar at RAF Brize Norton

BEagle 9th July 2012 16:03


And a new hangar

A West Oxfordshire District Council planning sub-committee is set to discuss the proposals....
I was at that meeting for a completely unconnected reason. However, I was able to provide some technical information to 't Committee - no, aeroplanes may not test their engines inside hangars, as one noise-concerned Councillor had asked...:rolleyes:

Ken Scott 9th July 2012 20:07

Said new hangar is already under construction & not far off complete, for the C130s at the moment & eventually for the A400s.

HectorusRex 9th July 2012 20:59

FARNBOROUGH: Airbus Military pulls A400M out of flying display
 
FARNBOROUGH: Airbus Military pulls A400M out of flying display

By: Dominic Perry London
11:21 5 Jul 2012
Source:FARNBOROUGH: Airbus Military pulls A400M out of flying display



Engine issues have again curtailed the participation of the Airbus Military A400M in the flying display of a major air show after the manufacturer announced the type would only be shown on the static park at the Farnborough air show, which starts on 9 July.

"The decision to have the aircraft on static display only is based on engine issues that happened last week which need further investigation," says Airbus Military.

Instead, it will show the first production representative example, MSN6.

a400m airbus military

Airbus Military

The A400M will not be taking off at this years Farnborough

Last year the airframer was forced to pull out of the flying display at the Paris air show after a flight-test problem in one of its Europrop International TP400-D6 turboprop engines halted all non-essential flights.

Flight testing continues at an "aggressive pace", it adds. "It is beginning to show the level of technical maturity required at first delivery, and we are pleased with the overall performance of the aircraft.

"Despite some engine maturity challenges, we are confident that we will find the right solutions and provide our customers with an aircraft that fully meets or exceeds the expectations."

At the end of June, the A400M had completed 1,180 flights, accumulating 3,535h since its first flight in December 2009.

keesje 16th November 2012 14:20

Airbus Military resumes A400M reliability flights
 

The programme, to comprise intensive flight activity totalling 300h, was interrupted earlier this year after a problem with one of the aircraft's Europrop International (EPI) TP400-D6 turboprop engines
Atlas programme gets lift, as Airbus Military resumes A400M reliability flights


Nice HD video from last ILA.. move to 2:27 :D

VinRouge 16th November 2012 15:55

Don't they mean Restart the reliability test? Any word on any prospective project delay now for uk1?

Lower Hangar 16th November 2012 18:52

A400M Flight Simulator
 
Retired now but spoke to one of my ex Thales colleagues (in Tescos !) and they're in the process of breaking down the 1st A400M sim ( at Crawley) for shipping to Spain presumably for Airbus passing off airframes to future customers.

theboywide 17th November 2012 23:33

I don't think there's any delay on UK1


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