Understood, completely.

But Pop, are you able to clarify the reasons for the removal of my post from earlier this morning?

I asked another Mod but he was unable to see any note on the removal.

Regards.

Ah, new owners, filthy lucre. 'nuff said.

Mods
 

Could I please suggest in an effort to bring this all to a close that if one looks back over a few months at the comments that it would appear that something has changed in the attitude/rulings/mods and that is affecting contributors. Ok, so as I have know for the past 12 or so years it is not my train set but could it be that all is not right in the state of Rome and it is making folk like me, a worried product of Trenchard (if one of the Mods does not know what this you should not be Moderating) ponder about the future not only about the site but our Service.

The decision making is subjective, you might argue about it, but its their call at the end of the day. But when threads can simply dissapear without an offer of an explanation or any communication, thats just bad manners.

I sympathise with Wholy who makes the effort to let people know when he has his mod hat on, by writing in red. I wasn't sure why that happened, but I do appreciate the thought. Wouldn't it be far better to have a seperate mod identity that everyone knew was the voice of the mod so that there was a distinct seperation between an individual's role and their role as a mod?

It would also mean that the person posting as the 'mod' would be doing so anonymously and with the full authority of the board, thereby minimising any personal perspectives that might get in the way.

Recruitment of MODS.....
 

Just what kind of CV does one need to become a Moderator on PPRuNe?

Specifically, for this Military Aircrew Forum, does one need to have served in one of Her Majesty's armed forces?

Just a thought....

MB

Just so you know, here's my Service history:


Joined Feb 64 South Cerney
JP3 & 4 course Syerston
Gnat course Valley
Hunter course chivenor
Hunters West Raynham
Hunters Bahrein
Hunters Chivenor
CF104s Canada
Jaguars Lossiemouth
Jaguars Bruggen
Jaguar desk officer Rheindahlen
Sqn Ldr Ops Wittering
JSDC Greenwich
MoD Army
MoD Nuclear shop
Harriers OC Ops Wg Wittering
Loan service staff officer Malaysia
Advanced Staff Course staff Bracknell
OC Intermediate Command and Staff Course at Bracknell, then Henlow, then Shrivenham
Left service and rejoined immediately FTRS to run AEF. Still doing it but finish next Feb.

I have at various times been a PAI (and tought the course), an FWI (and ditto), a QWI (and ditto), an IRE, a CIRE and a (cough, spit, splutter, retch) QFI. :E;)

So yes I am an old fart but I don't feel old yet and I don't ever pretend to know everything, or despair about the "yoof of today in the RAF". In fact I remain impressed by the quality of young person that continues to join the RAF as a career.

I try to call on things that I have seen or done in my past RAF career and in my private life to decide if posts are good, bad or indifferent, and tend only to remove stuff that is really stupid, insulting, attacking of others or could possibly damage PPRuNe. The prime role of moderators is to defend PPRuNe from people who wittingly or unwittingly post stuff that could reduce the reputation of the board or bring it into conflict with the legal world. I try to use common sense to achieve these aims.

I realise that I will not always get it right and I don't believe that you should expect me to. I do expect a bit of common courtesy though if you disagree with what I do, and - rather than posting a whining, attacking post - try to PM me and, as you have seen already, I am always open to suggestions and I am not above admitting that I got it wrong.

As far as an "anonymous moderator" is concerned, whether you have known it or not, there have always been anonymous moderators of the Mil Forum, and there still are. I have very recently rejoined the PPRuNe mod fold and - for whatever reason - I have become the "front man" in here. The one who will take the majority of the flak from the punters because I am in the limelight. I am old enough and have broad enough shoulders and a thick enough skin to be able to take it. It is - of course - now too late to have me be an anonymous moderator, because you all know that the "new" anonymous one would be me.

Furthermore, I have never "hidden" my identity since the day I first joined PPRuNe, as a very large number of people know who "Wholigan" is for real.

So basically I will try my best to get it right and if you have a problem with what I do, PM me. People are already doing that.

Thanks for your time.

Roj

Wholigan & Pop,

While I have the utmost respect for the mods in trying to keep it clean and open I have a question.

it has been acknowledged by many that I do, on occasion, swear. If that is bad then I expect to be "moderated", does that appyly to phrases such as "Bull!!!!! Bob". I mean it is obvious what has been removed but the thrust (fnarr) of my question is there a blanket ban on swearing or is it looked at on a context basis and the level of insult?

Because Banter had swearing in my crewrooms.

Keep up the good work

CS

I know, cooler - two weeks :E

Well said, Roj. I agree with all he says.

Btw I have 18 years in early army aviation and other arms. Beyond that I don't think there is any points except my other aviation activities.

And......we also have a Lt.Col as a mod plus .

No it isn't. That is just one of the ground rules of modding and is meant to say that we do not enter into any arguments about our actions - the threads would be too long!

Swearing is not acceptable in any of its forms and was something we had pressed home to us a few years ago. That started because some complete idiots thought it was OK to use the f word and c word with impunity. Other words are often grassed over but their meaning is the same and so long as it doesn't go too far too often we can shut one eye, and do.

Roj was typing as I was!!! But in unison;)

In fact, the site policy on swearing is that it is a no-no, as this is not a crewroom but rather it is a public forum.

Unnecessary swearing, foul swear words, or the use of swearing to attack another person will always be frowned upon. Phrases such as you suggest above are - in my opinion - OK as it appears that that particular phrase seems to have been accepted as the "definer" of that person.

Swearing will always be considered in context and acted upon accordingly. Prepare to be surprised or "outraged" on occasion. ;)

Wholigan,

MB saying thank you for a very comprehansive answer to my post. BTW, if you are who I think that you are we have flown together in a 233 OCU T4 on a couple of occasions in 1989.

Happy days!

Wholigan,

Your double standards are appalling!!

You take offence to the use of industrial language yet you casually drop profanities like "QFI" into your post.

Look to yourself Sir!!

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I bet you know some funky acronyms and TLAs!:ok:

Nicely said and very fair....

moderators
 

PPRuNe Pop. Very interseting discussion, but to whom are you answerable? JP

Moderators are responsible to the site owners via the previous owners, who are now essentially the site general managers.

Believe me they take great interest in what we do and how we do it.

Roj,

I love you dear chap,

But WTF does that mean?

The train set's previous owner still gets to play station master?

Exactly !

My personal scrape with the Mods was when the XV179 debate reared its head after the MOD announced it wasn't contesting the compensation claim. With a large prod from me, the debate turned towards the other two contributary factors - Crew Tactics & Int. Apparently a relative complained, and the complete thread was deleted. And another two threads soon after.

I realise I'm not entitled to an explanation, but the debate was supressed, maybe the truth was supressed, and the relatives motive may not have been grief, but a different agenda.

I loves me PPRuNe, read it every day, but felt a dangerous injustice was done that day.

I get the same feeling from time to time but hate the notion that I am turning into a conspiracy theorist. I'm sure the explanation for the odd post removal is much simpler and comes down to swearing or possibly legal reasons.

I also understand the time that would be consumed providing explanations to all of the offending posters but there have been occasions when I simply don't understand why a post was removed.

Maybe some experimentation is required?

:E

We put our chemistry sets away a loooong time ago! But you certainly have the principle right.

Just lie back and enjoy it - it's not all bad. For you or us. :D

You have it in one. We would not delete the whole thread, but we would most certainly delete the post and probably put him on a short term ban to remind him of his responsibilities when he signed up to PPRuNe.

Does make you wonder doan it.

Those would be 'Falklands' and 'Christmas', I guess?

The Moderators do an excellent job; long may they continue to do so*!










*Where do I apply for the £5 note, PP and Wholi'?

Wholigan
 

After reading your CV, I have a serious bone to pick with you sir!
I note you worked in a nuclear shop!. If some of the lock knives in my local
outdoor shop are illegal, then I shudder to think about the stuff you sold, and the
kind of customers who visited. It kind of makes a chav with a fighting dog seem
suddenly tame:}

Pity I didn't manage to nick a few or I could have sold you a couple to deal with your local chav problems mate. ;)

And cheque's in the post BEags.

I was placed in the 'sin bin' for making derogatory remarks about a certain woman's physical appearance. My remarks were no worse than many others that appear daily in other threads, in fact I think the only thing wrong with my remark is that it insulted the animal with which I compared this woman.

So there we have it. I'm in the 'hissy fit' state right now.

I noticed that this Forum had a 'mod' in 2003 - during the Spring Offensive of that year. I also note NOW that there is nominated Moderator.- Agree that this is not MY train set, and that Pop et al say their piece every now and then (their train set) - Are there any 'new' rules?, especially given the amount of 'sin-binned' posters who may step over the boundary with THEIR interpretation of 'Banter' ...?

I think the moderation on this forum is a lot more even handed and fair compared to the JB, forum. At JB they are like children with not enough to do. Titles of threads changed, threads and posts disappearing, closing threads with no explanation, all with monotonous regularity, banning, you name it, they're at it. I don't even bother sticking my oar in there anymore.

The "stable" is the height of instability.

Yes it's their train set and they can have it.

HNS, agree, I was sin binned in a diffeent forum much to the surprise of a Mod here who was present at the time.

I know why it happened and it was a people thing rather than what I had said. That mod was operating to a rigid set of rules and no deviation had been permitted.

Thought that since there were two threads about mods up and running simultaneously I'd put them together.

You might also get some "new" questions and knocking methods if you peruse these old threads from 2003 and 2007. ;)


http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ors-taste.html


http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...oderators.html

I guess not a whole lot changes over the years really.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Wholigan/Me2.jpg

Colour pictures were invented.
:E

Is mod knock a bit like tank slap?

Unless I'm much mistaken, Gibraltar, about 1968. What's more, he looks younger now than he did then!!

KP

Chum of mine did once 'slap' a tank...

During a posting with the folk who used to creep around various parts of East Germany, some boffin wanted to know how thick the armour was on some Sovietski tankski. So they gave him a device and told him to press it against the tank, press the tit and it would take a reading.

They didn't quite tell him everything though.

Chum finally found out where one of these tanks was parked, crept out in the dead of night with the boffin's toy, pressed it against the tank and pressed the tit.

A loud 'BOOOOOIIIIINNNNG' came from the device, which was obviously some sonar system. Chum legged it sharpish and about half-a-heartbeat later the turret hatch flew open and a dazed East German tank mate peered out in terror wondering what the hell had just woken him up..... It seems their crews sleep with their horses and/or tanks!

Nothing to do with moderators, who are all very fine chaps indeed!! But whenever anyone mentions tanks, I have this image of our amateur snoop waking up the East German tankie with that bit of boffinry!

Should this thread be removed for repeated swearing and repeated (intended) comments on the same subject? i.e. done to death :ugh::ugh:
:ok:

You have a point, but we thought you might like a bit of fun. :ugh: :E

Ooooh you are cruel R O G. ;)

But fatter Ken!

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