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Question about Moderators
THis is not a flame or trying to cause trouble BUT why do so many threads get deleted?
recently there were 2 threads running about blunties....both deleted, Now those threads were not causing abuse or harm to anyone, they were discussions.
I know of many other threads that have "vanished".
Couple of Questions.
1. Are any of the mods either military or ex military (recent)
2. Why is there no notification if threads just "vanish" especially if they run to multiple pages.
3. Can we not have what is commonly known as a flame room where any contensious threads can be moved to and anything(within reason) said?
I dont expect this post to last long and I dont expect notification from the mod concerned when it "vanishes"
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recently there were 2 threads running about blunties....both deleted, Now those threads were not causing abuse or harm to anyone, they were discussions.
I know of many other threads that have "vanished".
Couple of Questions.
1. Are any of the mods either military or ex military (recent)
2. Why is there no notification if threads just "vanish" especially if they run to multiple pages.
3. Can we not have what is commonly known as a flame room where any contensious threads can be moved to and anything(within reason) said?
I dont expect this post to last long and I dont expect notification from the mod concerned when it "vanishes"
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It may well not have anything to do with 'moderators.'
IF the first post of a thread is removed by the original poster, the whole thread disappears....without any notice whatsoever...IE: it's done automatically.
IF the first post of a thread is removed by the original poster, the whole thread disappears....without any notice whatsoever...IE: it's done automatically.
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In a nutshell....censorship. And not necessarily from the moderators.
Makes me wonder what the point of this forum is. Everyone needs to vent frustration every now and then. The threads you talked about were actually quite entertaining, and if read in the proper frame of mind, quite thought provoking.
'O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us.' - Burns
Makes me wonder what the point of this forum is. Everyone needs to vent frustration every now and then. The threads you talked about were actually quite entertaining, and if read in the proper frame of mind, quite thought provoking.
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To see oursels as others see us.' - Burns
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I don't know any of the Mods personally, but as far as I am concerned they generally do a good job. Voluntarily.
As the name suggests, they generally keep a lid on the offensive and especially where security may be involved. The security aspect is often a judgement call or acting on the advice of a serving or ex-serving Ppruner.
On one or two occasions, I have had cause to advise the Mods that certain discussions were getting too close to sensitive subjects and they have acted accordingly.
Yes, it is censorship of a kind, but you know, we all self censor all the time. I can't get hot under the collar when the Mods bin a post or an entire thread if it is called for.
And as 411A says, the originator can bin the whole thread...
As the name suggests, they generally keep a lid on the offensive and especially where security may be involved. The security aspect is often a judgement call or acting on the advice of a serving or ex-serving Ppruner.
On one or two occasions, I have had cause to advise the Mods that certain discussions were getting too close to sensitive subjects and they have acted accordingly.
Yes, it is censorship of a kind, but you know, we all self censor all the time. I can't get hot under the collar when the Mods bin a post or an entire thread if it is called for.
And as 411A says, the originator can bin the whole thread...
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Since you ask!
Military Aircrew A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World are welcome.
Of late the forum has been mis-used, abused and generally gone down the tubes.
We have had trolls - who get banned permanently. Those posters who think that anything goes - their threads get deleted. Those who think their posts are the best thing since sliced bread, they get deleted. Then we get those who think that this forum somehow belongs to them and throw a wobbly, or those who deride the mods if their posts get moved to a different forum. So, it has to be said, WE decide what goes or where it goes to.
I have personally removed 19 posters (all of them trolls) permanently from this forum who had no idea what the word debate meant or who were totally childish and clearly thought that swearing and abusiveness to others was normal. Their understanding of normal always demonstrated that they were not.
We have recently had an Admin chat about the above and Danny has gone as far as to say that we should adopt a "slash and burn" policy in Mil. You may think this an exaggeration but I assure you it isn't.
Moderating this forum has become more necessary now than at any time in the past 11 years I have been here. It used to be the only forum that had a 'self moderating' action and was virtually left alone. Not anymore it seems. But, we would be pleased to see that return.
Many of the good guys have left us. Probably because they feel as we do that the 'quality' of postings has significantly dropped. Certainly the fun and banter has changed, in some instances, from the laughter getter to an excuse for perverted abuse.
We recognise that some individuals from other sites try to hi-jack the forum with their own puerile tosh. We are on to it.
The Mil forum must return to it's original purpose of giving voice to the three services in aviation.
Sorry as we are to say it, we will be adopting a more robust editing policy. We hold the reins and we intend to stop what amounts to a slow runaway forum by applying the brakes.
For those who do not like it - you will have to migrate. For those who cannot abide by the basic rules of PPRuNe will also have to decide what they want to do. We would prefer that they stay if they feel they can integrate and we would like to see the return of the 'friends of MIL' - the sooner the better.
The forum is yours if you play by the rules. They are not severe but they are rules. BTW, swearing in either the straight form or *** form is not acceptable, it is becoming all too common. Non-swearing is a standard PPRuNe rule.
As an ex WO I would dearly like and prefer a quiet word behind the hangar but this will have to do!
Finally, please accept that this is a take it or leave it. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
PPP
Military Aircrew A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World are welcome.
Of late the forum has been mis-used, abused and generally gone down the tubes.
We have had trolls - who get banned permanently. Those posters who think that anything goes - their threads get deleted. Those who think their posts are the best thing since sliced bread, they get deleted. Then we get those who think that this forum somehow belongs to them and throw a wobbly, or those who deride the mods if their posts get moved to a different forum. So, it has to be said, WE decide what goes or where it goes to.
I have personally removed 19 posters (all of them trolls) permanently from this forum who had no idea what the word debate meant or who were totally childish and clearly thought that swearing and abusiveness to others was normal. Their understanding of normal always demonstrated that they were not.
We have recently had an Admin chat about the above and Danny has gone as far as to say that we should adopt a "slash and burn" policy in Mil. You may think this an exaggeration but I assure you it isn't.
Moderating this forum has become more necessary now than at any time in the past 11 years I have been here. It used to be the only forum that had a 'self moderating' action and was virtually left alone. Not anymore it seems. But, we would be pleased to see that return.
Many of the good guys have left us. Probably because they feel as we do that the 'quality' of postings has significantly dropped. Certainly the fun and banter has changed, in some instances, from the laughter getter to an excuse for perverted abuse.
We recognise that some individuals from other sites try to hi-jack the forum with their own puerile tosh. We are on to it.
The Mil forum must return to it's original purpose of giving voice to the three services in aviation.
Sorry as we are to say it, we will be adopting a more robust editing policy. We hold the reins and we intend to stop what amounts to a slow runaway forum by applying the brakes.
For those who do not like it - you will have to migrate. For those who cannot abide by the basic rules of PPRuNe will also have to decide what they want to do. We would prefer that they stay if they feel they can integrate and we would like to see the return of the 'friends of MIL' - the sooner the better.
The forum is yours if you play by the rules. They are not severe but they are rules. BTW, swearing in either the straight form or *** form is not acceptable, it is becoming all too common. Non-swearing is a standard PPRuNe rule.
As an ex WO I would dearly like and prefer a quiet word behind the hangar but this will have to do!
Finally, please accept that this is a take it or leave it. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
PPP
PPrune Pop
I hear you on this matter but may I suggest a revision to your policy? How about a "3 strikes or you're out" policy? From what I read in your reply you will suspend anyone without warning? How are alleged offenders supposed to modify their behaviour if you just delete the posts and suspend their accounts - I would have thought a PM warning should be the first step?
You could always adopt a "points system" like DVLA?
Just a thought.
B Word
I hear you on this matter but may I suggest a revision to your policy? How about a "3 strikes or you're out" policy? From what I read in your reply you will suspend anyone without warning? How are alleged offenders supposed to modify their behaviour if you just delete the posts and suspend their accounts - I would have thought a PM warning should be the first step?
You could always adopt a "points system" like DVLA?
Just a thought.
B Word
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It is not MY policy. It is PPRuNe's policy. And I am not about to respond to any other posts on this subject - except one.
We have never given reasons for editorial actions or deletions. As for bans, that person will see any comment there is to make when he/she next logs in.
DVLA have thousands of 'moderators.' We are not about to increase our work.
Nice try!
We have never given reasons for editorial actions or deletions. As for bans, that person will see any comment there is to make when he/she next logs in.
DVLA have thousands of 'moderators.' We are not about to increase our work.
Nice try!
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PPRuNe Pop,
Many thanks for your initial reply. I totally agree with you.
I know over the years some of my posts have not exactly been whiter than white and I apologise for that. I do have a tendency to bite when I read some of the stuff put here these days.
However, please could I ask for some of the language here to be moderated? Minor language is fine in the right context but when people start using vulgar language it is quite offensive (and hiding it by using £$@ etc does not work).
My wife also enjoys reading some of the articles here, but when she reads something that includes a disguised version of the “c” word (which has been used on several occasions) she is quite sickened.
Thank you.
Many thanks for your initial reply. I totally agree with you.
I know over the years some of my posts have not exactly been whiter than white and I apologise for that. I do have a tendency to bite when I read some of the stuff put here these days.
However, please could I ask for some of the language here to be moderated? Minor language is fine in the right context but when people start using vulgar language it is quite offensive (and hiding it by using £$@ etc does not work).
My wife also enjoys reading some of the articles here, but when she reads something that includes a disguised version of the “c” word (which has been used on several occasions) she is quite sickened.
Thank you.
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So thats cleared that up then, ......and so on with the usual banter - for those who remember what that is (was)...
Fair point by the Mods, some of he drivell is nothing short of appalling of late..
Fair point by the Mods, some of he drivell is nothing short of appalling of late..
@ Griz
Wiki def = "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"
Plenty of them about !
Wiki def = "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"
Plenty of them about !
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Well said. I know a few who are fed up with the abuse and crudeness which has become prevalent on this forum over the last few years. Keep up the good work.
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Well said. I know a few who are fed up with the abuse and crudeness which has become prevalent on this forum over the last few years. Keep up the good work.
RubiC
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over moderation can also remove a lot of the humour and characters on the board.
After all do you walk out of the crew room if the banter gets to much? I doubt it.
We are all adults here and either serving or ex serving ~(30 years here) I fail to get upset by a bit of banter or naughty language on the internet,
If I dont like it I just move on to the next subject.
After all do you walk out of the crew room if the banter gets to much? I doubt it.
We are all adults here and either serving or ex serving ~(30 years here) I fail to get upset by a bit of banter or naughty language on the internet,
If I dont like it I just move on to the next subject.
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Are you deliberately missing the point to justify your own ends? Get your head out of the sand.
Surely your life is not ALL banter is it? As the man says it is sometimes gets out of hand. One guy has already said that his wife finds some of it offensive. Fair enough?
As for 'naughty' language it's banned on PPRuNe. Not a bad thing when you see some of it either. I can eff and blind but not on here I don't!
Surely your life is not ALL banter is it? As the man says it is sometimes gets out of hand. One guy has already said that his wife finds some of it offensive. Fair enough?
As for 'naughty' language it's banned on PPRuNe. Not a bad thing when you see some of it either. I can eff and blind but not on here I don't!
Just wondered what happened to the recent Ryanair/RAF ID thread? Did this get moved, or deleted for some reason? Mind you, my eyesight is going - maybe it's still there!
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Now I have no complaints personally about the way Pprune is being moderated in fact looking though other similar forums Pprune is an example how debate and exchanges of views can serve the greater good of the service men and women of this country without resorting to jumbled swear words.
There is of cause a however coming so here it is .
However reading through the TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF USE page I noticed this:
Postings do not reflect our views; and we do not have any obligation to monitor, edit, or review any Postings on the Site. We assume NO responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings nor for any error, defamation, libel, slander, omission, falsehood, obscenity, pornography, profanity, danger, or inaccuracy contained in any information within such Postings on the Site.
It does appear that although you have no obligation to monitor edit or review you do so regularly and although you assume no responsibility for profanitiy's and obsenity you do regularly remove such postings.
Now under the Defamation Act 1996 as both the publisher and the author of defamatory material can be sued for making defamatory statements. This means that both us as posters and author of the content, and Pprune as the publisher, can be sued for defamation.
This would seem to imply that you as moderators do in fact have to assume responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings and for any error, defamation, libel, slander.
In conclusion the Moderators are doing a good job of watching our backs and preventing posters from crossing the line ( I include myself in this) it maybe argued that in order to keep Pprune a bastinion of free discussion and exchanging of views that they should be tougher in their approach.
I would end by saying I am grateful to the moderators who have in the past curbed the hurtful jibes made by posters hiding behind their anonymity against families who have lost husbands,brothers and sons.
I have personally removed 19 posters (all of them trolls) permanently from this forum who had no idea what the word debate meant or who were totally childish and clearly thought that swearing and abusiveness to others was normal. Their understanding of normal always demonstrated that they were not.
There is of cause a however coming so here it is .
However reading through the TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF USE page I noticed this:
Postings do not reflect our views; and we do not have any obligation to monitor, edit, or review any Postings on the Site. We assume NO responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings nor for any error, defamation, libel, slander, omission, falsehood, obscenity, pornography, profanity, danger, or inaccuracy contained in any information within such Postings on the Site.
It does appear that although you have no obligation to monitor edit or review you do so regularly and although you assume no responsibility for profanitiy's and obsenity you do regularly remove such postings.
Now under the Defamation Act 1996 as both the publisher and the author of defamatory material can be sued for making defamatory statements. This means that both us as posters and author of the content, and Pprune as the publisher, can be sued for defamation.
This would seem to imply that you as moderators do in fact have to assume responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings and for any error, defamation, libel, slander.
In conclusion the Moderators are doing a good job of watching our backs and preventing posters from crossing the line ( I include myself in this) it maybe argued that in order to keep Pprune a bastinion of free discussion and exchanging of views that they should be tougher in their approach.
I would end by saying I am grateful to the moderators who have in the past curbed the hurtful jibes made by posters hiding behind their anonymity against families who have lost husbands,brothers and sons.
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TD, you are right on the one hand and right on the other too - what happy position to be in!
Yes, of course we do. We have to. We have to curb all of those things otherwise the site would drop into a morass of rubbish, and that's putting it mildly. Having said that, we rarely if ever edit a post, that is a no no - except to cut out profanities, but lately we are deleting such posts so that people get the message.
It was expected that some would not like the stance we are taking but the level of PM's I am receiving and the comments being made, show that overall people are pleased that we are after "the way we were" and very much in favour of it.
Thanks.
PPP
This would seem to imply that you as moderators do in fact have to assume responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings and for any error, defamation, libel, slander.
It was expected that some would not like the stance we are taking but the level of PM's I am receiving and the comments being made, show that overall people are pleased that we are after "the way we were" and very much in favour of it.
Thanks.
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Sin Bin
Deleting posts, threads and banning posters leads to confusion, and leads to 'Whatever happened to the xxx thread?'
It happened to me when XV179 Crew Tactics discussion got a bit too deep.
Just a suggestion.
Pop, why don't you
(so that the offence remains visible) and he can't delete it.
Then make your statement about unacceptability, but offer the defendant the chance to apologise and/or give him a week in the Sin Bin (which you apparently do sometimes)
That's what grown ups would do. Apologise for the indiscretion and move on.
It happened to me when XV179 Crew Tactics discussion got a bit too deep.
Just a suggestion.
Pop, why don't you
quote the defendant
Then make your statement about unacceptability, but offer the defendant the chance to apologise and/or give him a week in the Sin Bin (which you apparently do sometimes)
That's what grown ups would do. Apologise for the indiscretion and move on.