Lets not get into a pi$$ing contest over trust and judgement.

The business of placing an aircraft U/S is very much a matter of team work. There should be no objection to anyone rasing a work order on a jet. The important point to be addressed by the technicians, the ops staff and the aircrew is whether or not that particular work order prevents the jet from flying. We have the means to defer faults. Perhaps the amount of paperwork associated with a deferrment tends to make it difficult to implement. A system might be unserviceable (ie not available for use), but the aircraft can still be serviceable.

DPA bit self contradictory I think!

My post wasn't about trust , though I can see why anyone may have thought so. Especially my last sentence which was tounge firmly in cheek.
It was about when pressure is brought to bear on people to "sign it up" or variations on that theme. That's when it becomes dangerous, it is unfortunatly becoming more and more commonplace and if the engineering staff at Lyneham are subject to that kind of pressure we should all be concerned.

The rest of your post I agree with totally, indeed as my handle might suggest I have a very strong working relationship with the form F703 :ok:

Opso,

Thank you for being the only one to grasp the thread of my last sentence.

miniG

Read it, re-read it, then re-re-read it. Don't get it:\

I have obviously missed something so please share:ok:

If you provide sufficient manpower and resources to provide a realistic chance of achieving the task then most of the problems of pressure, trust and aircraft limitions will go away. OK there will always be situations when problems can't be fixed before the next flight but this should be the exception rather that the norm.

The current situation at Lyneham appears to be one of chaos. Many people don't know who they work for or what they are expected to achieve. The reorganisation appears to have been poorly thought out and implemented, the important people (those involved at thhe workface) were not consulted and it has now become a face saving exercise. The RAF is not a democracy but common sense must prevail. Good leadership involves getting the troops on your side from the start

The present situation = Poor morale, unnecessary pressure, lack of direction = POTENTIAL FLIGHT SAFETY NIGHTMARE

It's obviously all going swimmingly if it justified the award of an OBE.

So, OBE eh? Well done ma'am, it'll make you proud every time you look at it to remember how you earned it.

Any truth to the other rumour doing the rounds - that she's not being posted until she's sorted out the mess she's created? (I don't know whether to be happy or pi$$ed if it's true though)

No, you're rid of her in August, which is when she was due out from the beginning. Don't know where she's going, as long as it's not here I don't care. That said, we're being farmed out to Stations anyway, which fortunately will be the last place you'll find her now she's got her OC Eng tick.

I have just found out who was responsible for the disgraceful OBE. Care to post, sir, and explain why? I know you have an account.

Regards

Desert Bat (a very very bitter man)

Here here DB!

I too know who was responsible.

Sir, your comments/reasons would be valuable here!

There is too much modern management speak coming out of the engineering empire at Lyneham. How about some good, old-fashioned LEADERSHIP?

It just goes to show that an MBA in the wring hands is a very, very dangerous thing! :ugh:

MBA - Master of B*gger All, the single degree most resposible for the mismanagement of the Armed Forces.

Methinks the proposer of the OBE dare not answer his critics in open forum, or evem behind closed doors.

Recommendation should have been for the firing squad...

Maybe she earned it "in kind":E

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God, I hope not!! :yuk: (Still, it wouldn't be the first time!)

OBE?
 

Just read this thread. OBE????**. You must be kidding!!
For what? and recommended by who?

please tell me - I'm confused

If you need proof, look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...n_11_06_05.pdf

We're having a little competition in the office. What does OBE stand for? Answers on a postcard please, best entry wins a knighthood.

Let me start you off:

Other B#gger's Efforts (everyone knows that one)

Oblivious to Basic Engineering

Oblivious to Basically Everything

Our Bitch's Evil:E .......only a thought:p

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Promotion and a gong.............perhaps ZH has got it:E

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I see her plan is still bearing fruit, very little flying planned in the near future for the Wiltshire Air Wing, any comments from the sharp end.

Hi Gang;

A trip got scrubbed yesterday after there was no spare frame. Task went to the TriMotor in the end..(PS..Thanks for helping us out guys!!).

The situation is that if there is no task, then aircraft are not worked or prepped meaning that you have to have NO crew-in snags all day for a successful programme. Open to correction...

Edited for Red Wine Speeling

J Bloke...:confused:

From the Defence Intranet !!!! Polishing Dept (Unclassified)

Logistics Transformation Success Story - The Lyneham White Van Men!

At RAF Lyneham, the Hercules C130 repair and maintenance teams are speeding up the turnaround times for their aircraft.

When an aircraft is returning from a mission, it radios ahead its unserviceabilities and snags. To speed up Hercules repairs, the Mobile Issue Centre (MIC) truck, formerly known as the Fast Action Response Team (FART) wagon, was procured from MT, saving it from the scrap yard, and kitted out by the Hercules K 'Lean' Team.

The Lean Team is dedicated to reducing waste, cutting bureaucracy and adding value to everyday practices. Because the squadron is forewarned of the aircraft's faults, when the aircraft lands, the MIC truck is waiting at the flight line with the right technicians, spares and equipment on board to repair the aircraft.

The maintenance team arrives on the flight line and commences a hot-debrief with the aircrew before the aircraft is shut down. This eliminates the time that was spent de-briefing and collecting all the relevant equipment and spares before any repairs could take place.

As OC 24 Sqn *** ****** said, "It's a welcome sight to have the team ready and waiting to fix the aircraft as we taxi in. Working hand in hand with the rectification team on the flight line is something we do on deployment and it's a welcome move at home too". Lyneham have plans to develop the MIC van idea and put a fleet of MIC trailers on the flight-lines.

Another Lean Team has also looked at the process of re-roleing C130 aircraft between missions. C130 fuselage load-bays are designed to be reconfigured for each sortie to be able to carry different cargo, for instance, troops, freight or tanks. When an aircraft lands, the load-bay often needs to be reconfigured for the next flight at very short notice. A multi-disciplinary team of airframe and movements personnel has been put together and provided with a van equipped with the correct tools and common re-role equipment to make the process more efficient. The Re-role Team works with the Air Load Master to ensure that re-roleing is done efficiently and correctly.

SAC *** ***** of the C130J Lean Team put the process in perspective. "It might sound simple, but by applying lean to the re-role process we hope to avoid having over £1M worth of re-role equipment unaccounted for, whilst at the same time improving aircraft availability and operational effectiveness". "Re-role spanner time won't be reduced, but the chaff around it will".

Harmless Bull!!!! or Dangerous Propaganda?

I could pick holes in this rubbish, sentence by sentence.

But my spirit is broken :{

Absolute horse turds if you ask me. I mean I haven't seen movers taking part in a role change at Lyneham, only down route if it is somewhere nice. I don't know if you ever had the chance or pleasure of the white knuckle ride that is/was the MIC wagon. The brakes didn't work properly for starters. As for having the spares ready to fix the aeroplane when it landed, at times rocking horse droppings are more readily available.

Taxied in squillions..ish times and never been met by the mythical fixing team yet :rolleyes: ... in fact it's fairly regular for the de blank or see off team to fail to materialise:confused:

Not a whinge just an observation :rolleyes:

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Don't blame the lineys for the non attendance at these vital times in your life. It is down to the silly old seniors who fail to task us. I mean heaven help us if we have independant thoughts, that sort of thing will never do.

I say again....Not a whinge just an observation! No doubt in my mind promoted bird is to blame!!

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Me thinks you may just be right. The sooner things get fixed so as we work like a well oiled machine the better. Unfortunatley I don't think it will ever happen.
Not long till life ex so little me is happy to be seing the back of it.

Otis Spunktrouser, allow me.

Logistics Transformation Success Story - The Lyneham White Van Men!
Trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

At RAF Lyneham, the Hercules C130 repair and maintenance teams are speeding up the turnaround times for their aircraft.
No they are not.

When an aircraft is returning from a mission, it radios ahead its unserviceabilities and snags.
They always did do that.

To speed up Hercules repairs, the Mobile Issue Centre (MIC) truck, formerly known as the Fast Action Response Team (FART) wagon, was procured from MT, saving it from the scrap yard, and kitted out by the Hercules K 'Lean' Team.
The MIC wagon was rarely used and long term unserviceable itself. It was 'white fleet' (hired) so no-one saved it from the scrap yard, it wasn't ours.

The Lean Team is dedicated to reducing waste, cutting bureaucracy and adding value to everyday practices.
Removing some of the bureaucratic tool checks has already resulted in a torch spending a couple of weeks leant up against an elevator control rod.
Because the squadron is forewarned of the aircraft's faults, when the aircraft lands, the MIC truck is waiting at the flight line with the right technicians, spares and equipment on board to repair the aircraft.[/I]
The Lean Team is a nice place to put all the sicknotes who aren't allowed to work on aircraft. They have endless meetings before deciding to paint squares on the hangar floor to store your drip trays. Then they have an out-brief before a self congratulatory press release. Then they invite an Air Vice Marshall to look at the squares.

The maintenance team arrives on the flight line and commences a hot-debrief with the aircrew before the aircraft is shut down.
No they don't
This eliminates the time that was spent de-briefing and collecting all the relevant equipment and spares before any repairs could take place.
No, sorry. The MIC trailers are stationary and don't contain the necessary tools to either change a wheel, pump up a tyre or charge an accumulator! Some turn round!

As OC 24 Sqn *** ****** said, "It's a welcome sight to have the team ready and waiting to fix the aircraft as we taxi in. Working hand in hand with the rectification team on the flight line is something we do on deployment and it's a welcome move at home too". Lyneham have plans to develop the MIC van idea and put a fleet of MIC trailers on the flight-lines.
No comment

Another Lean Team has also looked at the process of re-roleing C130 aircraft between missions. C130 fuselage load-bays are designed to be reconfigured for each sortie to be able to carry different cargo, for instance, troops, freight or tanks. When an aircraft lands, the load-bay often needs to be reconfigured for the next flight at very short notice. A multi-disciplinary team of airframe and movements personnel has been put together and provided with a van equipped with the correct tools and common re-role equipment to make the process more efficient. The Re-role Team works with the Air Load Master to ensure that re-roleing is done efficiently and correctly.
Rubbish. No disrespect to Movers & Loadies but nothing has changed here. And we used to have a dedicated role team but a previous SEngO disbanded them.

SAC *** ***** of the C130J Lean Team put the process in perspective. "It might sound simple, but by applying lean to the re-role process we hope to avoid having over £1M worth of re-role equipment unaccounted for, whilst at the same time improving aircraft availability and operational effectiveness". "Re-role spanner time won't be reduced, but the chaff around it will".
Re-inventing the wheel.

Have you got a Lean Team down there monkeybumhead?

The only thing at Lyneham that needs to be 'Leaned' is the Lean Team.

Well, after having our butts tasked to the hilt over the last few years on the J it's nice to have this enforced break so we can all get our summer leave in.

:ok:

SPHL

I agree with everything you have ever said or thought, except for your choice of aristocratic pin up. Your office makes my eyes bleed.

ZH875

We all know there's only one post within engineering at Lyneham that Lean needs to be applied to.

http://www.nos.org.uk/images/patrons/Camilla.jpg

PHWOAAAR!

SPHLC

Mate - You are one troubled cookie, get help before it's too late!!!

I refer only to your taste in the "fairer" sex and not your views on lean

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Neigh lad, I say Neigh lad.

SPHL
Not yet but give it time. I mean everything is working quite well at the moment, but then eng dets usually do work better when there are less senior sirs sticking their noses into the running of them. I know I shouldn't say that as some self important to$$er will now see the need to do a bit of wheel reinvention down in this lovely little rock.
I didn't know you were into equine activitys, whatever floats your boat I suppose.:hmm:

I was speaking to some Herc guys the other week in Cyprus, and they all reckon that the new engineering system at Lyneham is a load of b******s. More work, less people, and more bull****.

We're going through the same leaning processes at Kinloss, and it's having a devastating effect on morale.....

Was any one present when the two AVM's walked through the engineering establishment the other day?

I believe that the conversation went something like this...

OBEng ....so when the aircraft come in if they are U/S then they are fixed by FLECS and if there is a large amount of short to medium term maintenance then it is carried out by the Continuity Team.

AVM. What!...in my day as an EngO we used to call that The Line and the other group was called Heavy Rects!...Are you telling me that you have reinvented second line?

OBEng...Er No...The aircraft just come down more U/S and therefore are on the ground for longer.

AVM. So how come they weren't this U/S when you had two lines running?

Apparently the subject was changed at this point due to the transparency of the situation.

The next day there was an overheard office meeting (and this sounds like a bigger U-Turn than a Labour policy).

JEngO. Did the AVM's do a Q&A session in the hanger after the walk round or did they go because they were behind time?

OBEng. No they did a Q&A but the crew room was so packed that they had to turn people away.

JEngO. So what kinds of Q's were asked and what were the responses?

OBEng ...Oh there were many but I think that the AVM's got a fell for the place and will understand that there are many problems here and now this information will go up to the top and something will get done about it.

At this point the conversation stopped. It is not known if it was due to stunned disbelief of not.

So does this mean that now OBEng has orchestrated all this havoc that she does not trust her own convictions and is doing the normal trick of leaving it to the next one in (apparently someone form an IPT, by the end of summer) and walks away with the prestigious gong? - I think I shall follow the footpath labelled PVR - it will be the fastest way to sanity - Good riddance to the Royal Ar5e Farce!!!! :mad:

You'll all be glad to know now that her promotion to Gp Capt is CONFIRMED.

The new guy is from Strike, not an IPT. He arrives on 8 Aug. She leaves a week later. The guys are holding a leaving do, but she's not invited.

I think that's harsh 6 blades, it's just that this f***ing female is useless enough for all of them! The people responsible for her 2 promotions should be ashamed/ shot/ ashamed whilst being shot.
How Lyneham has a single GE with this situation on top of the "no flying pay" problem (that's been well documented) is beyond me.

Enjoy your 'Ditch the Bitch' party; things can surely only get better....

We had a useless SEngO once who just disappeared without trace - just left a note to the Boss to say he had left.

Will her replacement be any better. He/she can't be worse. Hold on tight.

Where is the party by the way.

Having left the wonderful wiltshire establishment I wonder if anyone can confirm the rumor that crews are going down south to do such nice things as MCT, as serviceability at base is that poor. If this is happening will it spread to the hot sandy areas as well?

Well, we have an almost total change of Hercules engineering management to look forward to over the next few weeks, including down South.

What could possibly go wrong?