Don't know about centralisation having bit, but it sure bites.
Trade desks are going to reappear, in the loosest sense, in the form of combined J/K rigger/sootie desk & J/K fairy/leckie desk. It's a start I suppose.
What is going to happen when the numbers of FLMs, oops I mean AMMs, is sufficient? Are the J/Ts, SAC(T) Q Ops, etc currently on HLS going to end up on FLECS? If so will FLECS become split into 4 shifts with 24hr operating? Or will Eng Wing just disappear up it's own arse?

LS,

So is the wheel being reinvented at Lyneham already, LS? I hope the silly sod responsible for the mess there pays for it.

Our SACs have been told that many of them will be booted off the sqn to make room for the new AMMs-the ones who haven't gained Q-OPS will be the first to go. Begs the question, where are these people going to? Can't be 2nd Line, that's going civvy.....

Jobza
We are currently on wheel AL3. As for the SACs they will either be shafted in a style not yet seen, sent to work in a shed somewhere or farmed off to somewhere practicing centralised maint. The silly sod responsible will no doubt be promoted and given a pat on the back for such a jolly spiffing idea, if I had my way they would be left to answer to those affected.

Nasty rumor now of proposed changes to the shifts. Does anyone really think that 4 days, 4 off, 4 nights, 4 off is a good idea? If this does happen then I suppose that all beer calls will have to be held on the 3rd day.

The internal dream sheets have been released thanks to the latest RIE. The options are to work on HLS as a professional tyre kicker, doing 4 days, 4 off, 4 nights, 4 off. Work on FLECS which will consist of 2 shifts working shifts of 4 on & 4 off consisting of days & nights (how this will work with 2 shifts is beyond me) or a heavy rects team working normal days (this bit sounds familiar) on rects that benifit from continuity.
Whoever came up with the new proposed shift for HLS (4d, 4o, 4n, 4o) obviously hasn't listened to public oppinion as many are against it, guess it was someone who wears a light blue shirt an works Mon-Thur 8-5, Fri 8-3ish with weekends and public holidays off. I don't suppose the days of 3,3,6 will ever return, but then again if you give it another 5 years who knows?
To add to this successful operation morale defeat, the traps in J3 have been cleaned of all poetry because the cleaner hasn't got a sense of humor.
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DB.
To answer the question 'has OC eng ever been to Basrah', Errrr NO!
In fact no management above Flt Lt has ever been down to see how things work here, on the J side of life anyway. The other Dets in this part of the world have a minimum of the Sqn WO to fend of interfering busy bodys that this place tends to generate, but not us.

On a lighter note, talking to Aussie J engineers yesterday, they cannot believe that we have gone back to a single line running twin fleet ops after they tried it and then canned it because of the flight safety implications. Oh well.....

As far as lean goes, there have been so far in industry 6 or 7 variants of this system and every time the 'inventors' of the system try it in an engineering environment it fails, so they go away and call it something else. Lean works well in a manufacturing environment where processes can be removed saving time and money(manpower), but in an engineering environment where the work is flexible and non-routine it cannot be adapted as it removes the flexibility and skill base from that environment.........sound familiar!!!!!!

Talking of shift cycles, why not try the new shift cycle in ATC at LYE. 2 mornings, 2 afternoons, 2 nights 4 off. This means if you start the cycle on a monday you work part of the next 7 weekends. It is called WTR and is based on no shift being allowed to be longer than 8 hours. You have been warned, you will be next.

KP
Can that pattern work with 4 shifts? If not then I don't think it will get implemented on the line, but then again centralised maint has been tried elsewhere and failed so I guess you could be right. I wait with baited breath.
On another point, is the leave policy for this shift pattern day for a day (unlike the 6 for 4 on HLS)?:hmm:

Wonder how many techies applied for redundancy at Lyneham....

Can we nominate people for it, too? :}

1. Quite a lot


2. Er...yes you could.

The redundancy application is confidential.

So you could therefore apply on someone else's behalf. Even if your victim found out in time, the first he would know about it would be when he got a confidential letter confirming receipt of his application! Unless you intercept his mail.

Maybe its already been done and someone is going to get a shock!

I thought of this many months ago, but it is a tadge beyond a jolly prank.

Any ideas what the next big change is going to be? So far I am of the understanding that those who stay on HLS will be doing the flight servicings, role changes and minor rects and FLECS will be doing the rest.
Answers on a postcard please.

Just seen the list regarding who is going where and doing what after the next change. Staying on HLS and not happy at all, the only saving grace is that the shifts are staying as they are (2,2,4).

I hear that she is no longer OC Eng Wing!

Has the Turkey voted for Christmas?

Isn't that just because she got promoted though? that was the last rumour I head...

I pitty the poor sod who has to sort out the mess she is leaving behind. Who knows they might decide to change things to, lets say, A line, B line, primary team & heavy rects. But then again we haven't operated from B site yet so watch this space.

I believe the AFBLT got the impression that people were not happy with this 'wonderful' idea, in fact they looked a bit shellshocked by the end of the brief.

She is no longer OC Eng Wing. Engineering Wing ceased to exist two weeks ago.

She is, however OC Forward Support Wing.

...and Forward Suppport Wing is not to be abbreiviated to FSW because whoever's idea it was has just realised...that they are

F@cking Stupid...w...w...w...Whatever

Our cousins in the Army may like to brief us on what Forward Support really means!

Or perhaps the Station Rugby team could advise.

And you retired/retarded EngO ppruners may have an opinion.


C'mon Tranche 2

And will you dissolusioned Tranche 2 non-qualifiers stop PVR'ing as its reducing my chances.

Edited to add: If that OC FSW was an April Fool joke, then I have fallen hook, line and sinker!

Lost interest in the goings at the mo as I am buggering of to colder climes, where I hope organisation reigns supreme. Just don't know what I am going to come back to.

Surely a 3-5-2 formation utilising the wing-back theory would be best http://www.smilies-world.de/smilies/...smilies/19.gif

Nice username k1rb5

They'll never work that one out.

Registered Feb 2005. Penetrated the next day. :eek:

Now you're just showing off in front of your cyber-mateshttp://www.smilies-world.de/smilies/...smilies/19.gif

Now now ladies, keep it civil.
:ok: :p

We'll kiss and make up over a http://www.smilies-world.de/smilies/...smilies/19.gif

Nice to see.

The change from Eng wing to Forward Support Wing makes us sound like HMs finest plumpers of duvets now. Does that mean we now no longer indulge in the task of engineering?

Things appear to be getting pretty deparate frame wise at Lyneham, any signs that the next set of changes are going to improve things, or is it too late.

Errr no, you support the a/c. I don't think that S&M wing will be too happy to be lumped in with a load of moaning and bitching techies either.

Anyway, you'd need to be a civvy to 'plump duvets', service personnel are the ones you go to when you need a few more screws from tech store to build that shed at home.:p

Been away from Lyneham for a couple of weeks now and am glad I have missed the outcome of RIE2. Has it messed things up too much or is everyone coping well? I suppose I will find out soon when I return to chaos central.
Apologies to our those who are involved with S&M, is there really a need to indulge in sordid practices, but we moaning and bitching techies aern't that bad really. Would you really object to being lumped in with us, it could be worse you could be lumped in with some other less wonderfull trade.

p.s. Any news on those screws as my shed is looking a bit sorry at the mo..............

Heh heh

Just heard what the PMC at Lyneham had to say about all this at the Dining-in on 13 May.

Well said, that man! (most of it, anyway)

Go on then, tell us all more, or at least a few pointers.:E


Exleckie

Was it something to do with 'what genius decided to send so many K's to Cambridge at the same time'. Then again there may have been more

...or how about;

...when they come back from Cambridge where has all the manpower gone?

...maybe...something to do with the continuing lack of spares?

...or may be that old fave'...who over tasked the fleet by retasking the aircraft that have not arrived back yet?

...I know...what silly @rse carelessly bent the airframe thus reducing our capability?

how about...?

...Go on then DB, do tell after all it is a rumor network...and there is no I in team!

Salisbury Cathedral

XV179 Memorial Service

OC Eng Wing (Forward Support Wing) : -

'I am the way, the truth and the life...'

The Congregation : -

'We know that, now get on with the bible reading!'



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Hmmmmmmmm six RIEs (Rapid Improvements Events) in one week, each taking up 7 people. Should they just be called events as they are not rapid, as they take all week and they do not improve ANYTHING.

Perhap we should have an RIE on the RIEs?

I think that the Japaniese have taken this LEAN thing too far!!!

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Is this the size of things to come at Lyneham ? :uhoh: :confused: :ugh:

The latest round of RIE's are over. Wonder what,s going to happen now ?

I regret to inform the PPRUNE community of some devastating news.

RAF Lyneham's OC Eng Wg (or FSW or whatever, as if I cared), exclusively responsible for what you read in this post, has been awarded an OBE for her efforts.

I've had enough. The RAF can go and f%ck itself.

fatter albert

Someone has beaten you to it.

Today, a well respected Chf Tech (if a little short, fat & Welsh) who has got redundancy in Tranche 1 was offered promotion to Flt Sgt if he agreed to stay in. This was by signal from PMA.

He replied by signal, and it was a two fingered one.

SPHL

He was my Chief when I first arrived at Lyneham and deserved the promotion more than anyone I have ever met (except for yourself obviously). Here we have a superb Chief with decades of dedicated service in the RAF who suddenly feels he wants no further part of engineering in the RAF.

You know as well as I do, he's not even in a minority.

The Chief deserves hearty congratulations anyway, and very best wishes for the future.

OBE
 

Marvellous news about the OBE!

What's that for then?

Single handedly trying to reduce the RAF to 41,000?

At least it answers the questions to why the toys were out of the cot the other night?

On another note to this, since when did engineers have to justify engineering decisions to Air Ops?

Ever since engineering decisions meant that aircraft weren't ready for sorties. Which would make it since at least 1918...

I think mini G phrased the point poorly.
Of course Engineering decisions should be held to account............. but pressure should never be brought to bear where someone is cornered into declaring u/s aircraft fit/ready to go. It gets dangerous.
Lets face it if you don't trust your groundcrew to say the jet is u/s why on earth should you trust us when we say it is s?:=