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Asturias56 5th Jun 2023 17:40

Indeed - but much of the anger expressed here and elsewhere is based on the War Grave aspect

The ships have been down there since 1942 - it's hard to make a case that the UK valued them other than as a grave site.

Video Mixdown 5th Jun 2023 18:09


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11446327)
Indeed - but much of the anger expressed here and elsewhere is based on the War Grave aspect
The ships have been down there since 1942 - it's hard to make a case that the UK valued them other than as a grave site.

The controlled and regulated recovery of gold from HMS Edinburgh is entirely consistent with respecting a War Grave. It removes any further reason to disturb the site.

air pig 5th Jun 2023 20:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11442136)
The trouble is SASless the UK MOD are a bunch of gasbags, make a noise. but let it happen, so it will not surprise me if they stand by and let them do it, Just as they have done in the past with the Dutch etc... personally I would seize the barge, scrap it and send the crew home.

See

http://thepipeline.info/blog/2016/05...-fails-to-act/

The irony in this is the Dutch did nothing then this happened

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...wrecks-of-java

Torpedo at 03:00 is the solution to pirates.

Asturias56 6th Jun 2023 10:36


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11446338)
The controlled and regulated recovery of gold from HMS Edinburgh is entirely consistent with respecting a War Grave. It removes any further reason to disturb the site.


Hmm sounds like gold=good and armour = bad?

Actually the real worry is that HM Treasury might find out that all this old, UK owned armour has a serious value.................. :(

chevvron 6th Jun 2023 11:28


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11446338)
The controlled and regulated recovery of gold from HMS Edinburgh is entirely consistent with respecting a War Grave. It removes any further reason to disturb the site.

What about the Albanian gold hoard which was sunk in the Corfu Channel in 1943 and never (according to the Albanians) recovered?

Video Mixdown 6th Jun 2023 11:43


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11446679)
Hmm sounds like gold=good and armour = bad?

No. Chinese thieving bad. Given their lack of respect for the human rights of the living I suppose it's no surprise that they lack any respect for the dead.

MechEngr 6th Jun 2023 11:57

It's a tad ironic given that the UK has been plundering grave sites and other sensitive cultural areas for hundreds of years. The grave site in this case is the ocean and it is very likely the remains of the dead have been dispersed to individual atoms throughout the water and the plants and animals and bacteria that live in it. At some point a piece of fried cod will likely have a bit of one who went down with these ships.

Video Mixdown 6th Jun 2023 12:19


Originally Posted by MechEngr (Post 11446730)
It's a tad ironic given that the UK has been plundering grave sites and other sensitive cultural areas for hundreds of years. The grave site in this case is the ocean and it is very likely the remains of the dead have been dispersed to individual atoms throughout the water and the plants and animals and bacteria that live in it. At some point a piece of fried cod will likely have a bit of one who went down with these ships.

Irrelevant. The ship is the property of HM Government. Would it be OK for me to go to Hawaii and take a hacksaw to USS Arizona?

MechEngr 6th Jun 2023 12:47

Oh, now the UK has property concerns? Perhaps they should not leave it strewn about or unguarded.

Trust me, taking a hacksaw near the USS Arizona will be met straightaway with an intervention.

Video Mixdown 6th Jun 2023 13:01


Originally Posted by MechEngr (Post 11446751)
Oh, now the UK has property concerns? Perhaps they should not leave it strewn about or unguarded.
Trust me, taking a hacksaw near the USS Arizona will be met straightaway with an intervention.

It is not just the UK, it applies to the property of all countries wherever it might be. Would you be so dismissive if it was the wreck of a US ship that was being stolen?
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Ohrly 6th Jun 2023 13:37


Originally Posted by MechEngr (Post 11446730)
It's a tad ironic given that the UK has been plundering grave sites and other sensitive cultural areas for hundreds of years. The grave site in this case is the ocean and it is very likely the remains of the dead have been dispersed to individual atoms throughout the water and the plants and animals and bacteria that live in it. At some point a piece of fried cod will likely have a bit of one who went down with these ships.

The US of course would never dare desecrate a grave site, especially say of indigenous local tribes. They also definitely don't mind their sunken aircraft and ships being plundered either. Oh, no that's not right: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...endment-passes

MechEngr 6th Jun 2023 15:16

The US? The country founded by BRITISH COLONISTS? Not the insult you figured it was. There's enough irony piling up here to build a warship.


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