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Originally Posted by Ken Scott
(Post 11412817)
I instruct at my local RAFAC Sqn, I have heard nothing regarding this and don’t really see it as an issue. We have a good bunch of boys and a few girls, the parents are mostly quite close to matters so I don’t think there could be any possibility of things happening without their knowledge.
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I had no idea there were openly transgender folk serving. Somehow this suggests a messy disintegrating future.:(
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
(Post 11413005)
I had no idea there were openly transgender folk serving. Somehow this suggests a messy disintegrating future.:(
FB |
Most "News" these days looks like an April Fool wind-up.
That is what happens when the lunatics take over the asylum. If it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change. [I think it was Wellington] |
FB, I am sure you said the same about gays, and perhaps another groups.
Perhaps you should just thank them for their service, like everyone else serving? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-...illiam/9691102 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-came-out.html |
Originally Posted by Spartacan
(Post 11412867)
My son is at sixth form college where the trans agenda is being actively promoted. He's told me they are actively screwing young people up.
The whole gender / trans debate is utterly sickening. I would be avoiding the RAF Air Cadets quite frankly. I expect many parents will after that news iten. It's the one issue that is really uniting people against the insanity that comes out of the Department for Education. |
WOW! There's some apparent bigotry on this thread!
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It's April 1st fer chrissake!
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Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11413091)
It's April 1st fer chrissake!
The DT's official AF was a rather weak story about turning the Post Office Tower to a wind turbine. |
There have been Trans people as long as humans have walked this Earth.
There is very, VERY, good, peer reviewed, research that indicates Trans is a form of Intersex at the sub-chromosomal level ie gene switching. But hey, close minded, predudiced bigots, with ZERO genetic education, are going to continue to bigot. I thought we lived in the 21stC. Apparently not. I despair. |
Yup, here come the insults. Predictable. Opposing views must be closed down due perceived terminal bigotry. Another word bandied around liberally like fascist. Generally I have a take it or leave view of the world and letting people live their lives without prejudice. Fortunately I still live in a country that allows freedom of thought (just). I can’t help thinking that this bizarre obsession with trans ideology is highly damaging to a young person’s mental health. Just my opinion. The RAF can wring their hands over sexual politics, diversity etc but it hardly instils confidence in their primary role as an airborne fighting force.
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
(Post 11413132)
There have been Trans people as long as humans have walked this Earth.
There is very, VERY, good, peer reviewed, research that indicates Trans is a form of Intersex at the sub-chromosomal level ie gene switching. But hey, close minded, predudiced bigots, with ZERO genetic education, are going to continue to bigot. I thought we lived in the 21stC. Apparently not. I despair. |
Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
(Post 11413132)
There have been Trans people as long as humans have walked this Earth.
There is very, VERY, good, peer reviewed, research that indicates Trans is a form of Intersex at the sub-chromosomal level ie gene switching. But hey, close minded, predudiced bigots, with ZERO genetic education, are going to continue to bigot. I thought we lived in the 21stC. Apparently not. I despair. |
The B word is valid in the trans discussion. Because trans people are a minority. Like gay people, lesbians, black people and brown people. No one outside those groups (I'll wager) thinks, "Oh I really wish I could be a (insert minority), I think I'd be happier there." Why? Because of the sh1t and corruption that will always come their way, often starting with their family. I'll also wager for some in those groups, the opposite is true. But they have no choice- it's not about lifestyle.
Members of minority groups- especially the visually different- suffer bigotry every day. The best bit for LGBT minority members, is getting free membership to the, 'Must be perverts and paedos club'. For balance, I believe children should be believed and supported when they raise issues; should be allowed to experiment with gender style, but should not have medical intervention until of age. As a schoolie, I believe any disclosure should generally be reported to and discussed with the child's parents. The exception would be if I and other professionals felt it would put them at risk. Families are as nutty as the rest of the population, after all. Rant over. CG |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11413031)
FB, I am sure you said the same about gays, and perhaps another groups.
Perhaps you should just thank them for their service, like everyone else serving? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-...illiam/9691102 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-came-out.html Every time another "progressive" change to the order of society and its institutions, is successfully imposed, the immediate defence to seal the situation is usually lines ;like "be thankful for their service" or some reference to facing the heat of battle, as if no one else ever did. That isn't in doubt, what is, is the very creed and image of the armed forces. I'm not going to open your links, because I've read it all and had it all shoved down my throat every time I, or anyone else voices concern about what is taken to be an irrelevance now. I can't change it, but don't expect me to embrace it, and I still maintain, it is bad news in the long run. FB |
I served as an ATC instructor for over 40 years. In the beginning, it was great. Towards the end of my time, say from 2010 onwards it became more and more embroiled in HSE, risk assessments and other stuff, such as having to give many weeks notice of holding any sort of outdoor activity. Whilst I agree that, when responsible for young people, we need to take adequate care of them, some of the stuff we had to do did not make sense to me. I can compare ATC requirements against the offshore industry where I worked in the day job. When we had to risk asses cadets making tea, I knew things were not sensible.
Sadly these days, application of common sense no longer applies in our culture. In my time I never had to deal with the sort of issues mentioned above, although we did have one cadet who was about to transition when I left five years ago. At that time there was, to my knowledge, no advice available from the head shed on how to handle this. The current generation of instructors have my unfailing respect and admiration for trying to look after the cadets in what is becoming, to me, a very strange world. Good luck for the future ladies and gentlemen, and thanks for all you did, with, and for me in the past. |
Originally Posted by m0nkfish
(Post 11412771)
IMHO it is significant. I've had my kids coming back from school and questioning their gender. My daughter declared she was transexual because her teacher told her so. When I dug a little deeper she had no real understanding of what being transexual actually means and had completely misinterpreted what her teacher was saying. Exposing young people, who through immaturity lack the ability to properly comprehend what they are being taught, to complex gender theories is causing much more issues than it is solving.
As a society we are absolutely playing with fire over these gender concepts. We have no idea of the damage we are doing to our young people in this crazy experiment that appears to me to be about accommodating a very small minority of people. At my work we were told we had to append pronouns to our e-mails and I've yet to see anyone use a pronoun that isn't either he or her and every single person is identifying with their biological sex. All this change has happened slowly and without our consent. Organisations and charities have been lobbying behind closed doors and coercing people into compliance with their ideological viewpoints. If you speak out now you are vilified, and even hounded on social media. There is no possibility of debate on this topic anymore. And it's very disappointing to see that the RAF has now also found themselves sucked into this nonsense. Shame. |
Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
(Post 11413353)
Orac,
Every time another "progressive" change to the order of society and its institutions, is successfully imposed, the immediate defence to seal the situation is usually lines ;like "be thankful for their service" or some reference to facing the heat of battle, as if no one else ever did. That isn't in doubt, what is, is the very creed and image of the armed forces. I'm not going to open your links, because I've read it all and had it all shoved down my throat every time I, or anyone else voices concern about what is taken to be an irrelevance now. I can't change it, but don't expect me to embrace it, and I still maintain, it is bad news in the long run. FB This is not the 19th century, we are not in Downton Abbey. |
Originally Posted by bobward
(Post 11413368)
I served as an ATC instructor for over 40 years. In the beginning, it was great. Towards the end of my time, say from 2010 onwards it became more and more embroiled in HSE, risk assessments and other stuff, such as having to give many weeks notice of holding any sort of outdoor activity. Whilst I agree that, when responsible for young people, we need to take adequate care of them, some of the stuff we had to do did not make sense to me. I can compare ATC requirements against the offshore industry where I worked in the day job. When we had to risk asses cadets making tea, I knew things were not sensible.
Sadly these days, application of common sense no longer applies in our culture. In my time I never had to deal with the sort of issues mentioned above, although we did have one cadet who was about to transition when I left five years ago. At that time there was, to my knowledge, no advice available from the head shed on how to handle this. The current generation of instructors have my unfailing respect and admiration for trying to look after the cadets in what is becoming, to me, a very strange world. Good luck for the future ladies and gentlemen, and thanks for all you did, with, and for me in the past. If all the above discussion is true, which I'm still not sure about, I feel for those who are left. |
Lots of use of the word "Bigot" in this thread.....and allegations of "bigotry".
That is a pretty mean thing to do shy of direct evidence to base such address upon. From Merriam's Bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance Condescending, superior and intolerant mentality with regard to others, frequently used in conjunction with racism. Is not "intolerance" itself a symptom of bigotry? Anthropology is defined as "The scientific study of the origin, the behavior, and the physical, social, and cultural development of humans.". Recent thought in that field of study has begun to differentiate between Gender and Gender Identity which seems a shift from the traditional determination of Gender by bone structure. How. much you want to bet there are disagreements for and against that shift amongst anthropologists? |
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