Argentina withdraws from Falklands agreement.
 

Argentine Foreign Minister:

Malvinas issue: Argentina announced the decision to put an end to the “Foradori-Duncan Pact” of 2016. I did so in a meeting with the UK Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, James Cleverly, at the G20 Foreign Ministers' Summit in New Delhi, India.

The Argentine government has proposed to resume negotiations on the question of sovereignty and for this it is promoting a meeting at the headquarters of the UN in New York.

I proposed an agenda of issues that, at a minimum, should be part of the negotiation process that we promote in accordance with the provisions of UNGA resolution 2065. In this way, Argentina complies with the mandate of the General Assembly and the United Nations Committee on Decolonization.

We honor the commitment of the president Alferdez and our government to support the Malvinas Question as a State policy…..

Argentinean politics again - roll out the Malvinas whenever the economy is going down the tubes

My exact thoughts too.

The war started because the ruling military junta had tanked the economy and all those mothers wanted to know what had happened to their missing children.
https://www.history.com/news/mothers...-war-argentina

The Argies think they are theirs because they think they inherited the Spanish colonial empire? If the Spanish or the Dutch would claim it it might be more fun to debate about it but Argentina? How about China?

Probably encouraged by recent reports that the UK forces are deficient in material and manpower and couldn't defend a toy fort in Little Edgington.

Hypothetical question. If Argentina invaded now and caught the troops in situ off guard could we send a fleet like we did last time?
My understanding is we have two carriers which are broke, understaffed and underplaned with little to no support ships.

It's the complete lack of self-awareness that makes me laugh - Spanish speaking ancestors of Spanish conquistadors complaining of colonialism and imperialism because they don't have a group of South American islands that they say the Spanish Empire bequeathed to them.

And no more Vulcans. But Lady Thatcher had earmarked everything for retirement back then already.
P.S. Where is Jeremy Clarkson when you need him?

Invaded with what ? Your question soars beyond the bounds of hypothetical.

And Margaret Thatcher is not PM.

Just curious, who "bequeathed them" to the United Kingdom?

Probably cobble something together, just like the Argies would, only this time we would see the build up and be able to base a couple of subs inside another exclusion zone and that would effectively stop anything serious but airborne forces getting in.
They have about 6 C130s a couple of Fokker 28s and less than a dozen Skyhawk variants.
Can't see that being much of a problem.

In my opinion this is cropping up now as a combination of distraction at home in Argentina, and, the recent negative reports of UK defence status in light of aid to Ukraine and the economic situation. I would also expect this situation to be deliberately exacerbated by russia.

True. What’s needed is a lawyer who knows how to draft a threatening letter, telling them how their policies are wrong, but without coming up with a policy of his own.

Keir who? :rolleyes:

Would not NATO rush to help? Just asking.

Extraordinary to hear that anyone thinks the Spanish "bequeathed" the Falklands - as they never owned them in the first place!
Neither did Argentina, at any time in the distant past, make a territorial claim to the Islands.
Britain undoubtably made the first documented landing and (much later) filed the first territorial claim as is universally agreed by historians some hundred years before anywhere called Argentina even existed. In any case France had established an outpost there at much the same time as we did and before the Spanish so if mere 'first footing' were to be the deciding factor France has a better claim to them than Spain. The fact that Argentina may or may not have subsequently used the place as a dumping ground for convicts (while failing to file or publish a claim of ownership) gives them no right to any sort of title, as is universally rcognised by international law.

I suspect that this is entirely for the domestic consumption of the Argentine population, and will become tomorrows fish wrapper. In any event, here a few thoughts...
Reasons that Nations want stability in the FI:
- Several nations (certainly S Korea when I was at MPA in the 90's) pay the Falklands Island Governement (Called FICO when I was there, not sure if it still is?), millions per year for the right to fish the Falklands waters, particularly for Squid. They will not want this trade disrupted.
- The Falklands is potentially an oil rich area. When I was there we met many 'oil people' who basically told us that all of the science indicated that there was a ton of oil there, but they were having trouble finding it. Did they?
- There is now a lucrative tourism/cruise liner industry there and the Falklanders don't want this jeopardized.

Other points:
- It is a British Overseas Territory, so people born there are automatically UK citizens. Question: Does this mean NATO Article 5 would apply if Argentina attacked?
- Whilst I weep at the pathetic shell of it's former self that the UK Military has become, I am pretty confident it is more than a match for whatever inept and ill equipped task force the Argentinians could muster. This then begs the obvious question - would they have allies prepared to provide forces? I don't know the answer to that...but who, and for what purpose?

I was based in Cyprus many years ago, and had the absolute pleasure of working and flying with the UN peacekeeping detachment out of UNPA Nicosia. The nation providing the service was Argentina. I (and my crew!) spent considerable time with the Argentinian pilots (MD500 - think 'Magnum PI' for those of a certain age). We flew, planned, operated and also socialized with them many times and I bet you can guess what I will say next...they were simply superb guys., every one of them. They were aircrew mates in the truest sense - friendly, helpful and genuine. Trust me, they had nothing against us whatsoever, it is their corrupt and failing Government that is the issue.

I have not met many Argentinians, but those that I did were as nice as any people I have ever encountered. As an aside, as I have mentioned before, my wife is Russian and I can say exactly the same about them. Beautiful people - demonically evil leaders.

I wonder what China are offering Argentina to take this stance.

I am sure China would be quite happy to kick start their economy and get on track all the stagnating investments they have made in Argentina.

Maybe even extended credit for or even give some nice new Chinese military equipment in exchange for a slice of the Falkland and its natural resources.

We live in interesting times.

Fixed it. That'll show they! :}

No.


Article 6 provides clarity to the conditions that Article 5 refers to, and that rules out the Falklands by lattitude.
Article 5
Article 6