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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11381392)
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ab44733fb.jpeg
Or close enough |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11381782)
Anyone seen a translation? Right character appears to mean ‘center’ but can’t find the left one.
(I'm here all week. Try the veal.) |
Originally Posted by MechEngr
(Post 11381793)
The left one is clearly a pictograph of a camera, indicating the world "Spy."
(I'm here all week. Try the veal.) |
The Chineses are smuggling veal reared in crates using balloons? :eek:
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New Zealand spy balloon
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11381782)
Anyone seen a translation? Right character appears to mean ‘center’ but can’t find the left one.
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Actually, In thinking about it, “zhong gong” could mean:
CCP “zhong guo gong chan dang” or PRC “zhong hua ren min gong he guo” I’ve seen it to mean both |
Originally Posted by judyjudy
(Post 11381880)
Actually, In thinking about it, “zhong gong” could mean:
CCP “zhong guo gong chan dang” or PRC “zhong hua ren min gong he guo” I’ve seen it to mean both |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11381392)
Edit to add, I have trawled all the previous images and there is no writing visible on the envelope. The writing is not parallel to the balloon material either. |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11381929)
is that THE balloon?
The fake "photo" posted by ORAC shows ten "double panels", the real photos taken from the ground show only eight "double panels". |
I find it funny that the “media” is reporting that 3 times during the Trump administration National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters Feb. 6 that the balloon had propellers and a rudder, which allowed it to change course and conduct limited maneuvers, though it mostly stayed with the jet stream. It was able to slow down and loiter over sensitive locations, he said.........................After the Pentagon announced the balloon’s presence on Feb. 2, officials said there had been at least four other intrusions in recent years—one near Hawaii earlier in the Biden administration and three during the Trump administration. All of these incidents were brief, with the overflight far shorter than the most recent incursion, Kirby says. |
Originally Posted by kiwi grey
(Post 11380582)
I would surmise that the attack run was made from the west, and we know it was from below the balloon.
Hence the balloon envelope would be reflecting the afternoon sun (it was ~14:40 local) and would be relatively warm against the easterly sky, also the only such object in view. Presumably the temperature difference was enough for the AIM-9X imaging infra-red sensor to resolve a 'target' I've seen one account that the AIM 9x had no warhead which could be true - no flames visible in footage made public. |
Originally Posted by Chiefttp
(Post 11381478)
I find it funny that the “media” is reporting that 3 times during the Trump administration, Undetected Chinese ballon’s crossed the U.S. If they were undetected how did they know it happened 3 times.
I love this word “Undetected”. Sounds just like a Who’s On First skit..” The Biden administration only became aware of the intrusions during the Trump prior administration by looking back after the fact using an undisclosed “forensic” process, he says. The current White House has offered briefings to Trump administration officials on this. While officials did not specify how these prior intrusions were discovered, the Pentagon has convened a task force to investigate sightings of what it calls unexplained aerial phenomena to try to learn more about the incidents and identify what the aircraft could be. (National Security Council spokesman John Kirby Feb. 6) The Chinese are testing undetectable low tech ways to intrude. That's not funny at all. There is always a new thing out there.National defense should have no political aspect when the enemy is concerned. |
Even as we speak Boeing and MD are working on proposals for a $ 10 Bn R&D programme to shoot down these balloons
"It is a DISGRACE that these 2st century threats are being dealt with by 20th Century equipment a spokesman said." |
Originally Posted by judyjudy
(Post 11381872)
”zhong gong” - abbreviation for “Chinese Communist Party”
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11381782)
Anyone seen a translation? Right character appears to mean ‘center’ but can’t find the left one.
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11381796)
Hopefully not from a crate?
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After studying this footage it became obvious that destruction over land was not a viable option.
Hence the delay until the balloon left the coast. |
Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
(Post 11382231)
Its just a bird isn’t it?
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And another balloon has been spotted, as reported on the "adf-serials" site. This one looks rather military, compared to those COMPLETELY harmless, innocent, benign Chinese ones. This was spotted snooping around Canberra at low level.
It won't find much intelligence in Canberra. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d78fe35965.jpg |
Recent tracks of the USS Carter Hall off of Myrtle Beach. From the Marine Traffic Website.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....485889e9f.jpeg
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Note:
The US Navy Ship offshore of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is the USS Carter Hall, an LSD that departed Morehead City, North Carolina. The Hall is home-ported at Little Creek, Virginia. The ship recently returned from a deployment and probably off loaded embarked Marine Corps personnel and equipment at Morehead City. Morehead City is used by Marine Corps units assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina....home of the 2nd Marine Division and MARSOC units. There is no USS Morehead City shown on the current US Navy list of Ships. https://www.navysite.de/ships/lsd50.htm The search area is in about fifty feet of water....in an area that has a generally flat sandy bottom with a current that tends to the northeast. Visibility can vary from almost nil to like a swimming pool depending upon season and sea state. Excellent weather the past few days.....warm, slack wind, ocean is almost flat. https://tides4fishing.com/us/south-c...ity-pier-ocean |
isnt this sort of mission what U2s carried out decades ago ; I can understand the US destroying it/ shooting it down but not righteous indignation since they have been doing the same thing with more sophsiticated kit since forever
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You are correct SASless.
USS Carter Hall. My post has been edited to correct the info. A Landing Ship, Dock. She would have useful tech aboard. I really should learn how to read. Cheers Albatross https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8e0db7495.jpeg
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11382432)
Note:
The US Navy Ship offshore of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is the USS Carter Hall, an LSD that departed Morehead City, North Carolina. The Hall is home-ported at Little Creek, Virginia. The ship recently returned from a deployment and probably off loaded embarked Marine Corps personnel and equipment at Morehead City. Morehead City is used by Marine Corps units assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina....home of the 2nd Marine Division and MARSOC units. There is no USS Morehead City shown on the current US Navy list of Ships. https://www.navysite.de/ships/lsd50.htm The search area is in about fifty feet of water....in an area that has a generally flat sandy bottom with a current that tends to the northeast. Visibility can vary from almost nil to like a swimming pool depending upon season and sea state. Excellent weather the past few days.....warm, slack wind, ocean is almost flat. https://tides4fishing.com/us/south-c...ity-pier-ocean |
Originally Posted by pax britanica
(Post 11382445)
isnt this sort of mission what U2s carried out decades ago ; I can understand the US destroying it/ shooting it down but not righteous indignation since they have been doing the same thing with more sophsiticated kit since forever
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Why is a spy balloon designed to fly in the stratosphere where there are no clouds white or silver instead of blue? And it seems to be coated in a fine powder based on the puff of dust from missile impact.
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Originally Posted by ChrisJ800
(Post 11382806)
Why is a spy balloon designed to fly in the stratosphere where there are no clouds white or silver instead of blue? And it seems to be coated in a fine powder based on the puff of dust from missile impact.
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Originally Posted by nephx
(Post 11381999)
I've seen one account that the AIM 9x had no warhead which could be true - no flames visible in footage made public.
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Albatross,
As I live near Morehead City....and pass by the Port often....seeing the reference to the USS Morehead Ctty and knowing how Amphib Ships are named.....it took a while for the doubt to fester. I rode the USS Denver so to see and LSD with a city name seemed likely enough until I thought to check the current ships list. So do not feel bad at all.....it took almost a week for me to check. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11382824)
Albatross,
As I live near Morehead City....and pass by the Port often....seeing the reference to the USS Morehead Ctty and knowing how Amphib Ships are named.....it took a while for the doubt to fester. I rode the USS Denver so to see and LSD with a city name seemed likely enough until I thought to check the current ships list. So do not feel bad at all.....it took almost a week for me to check. The Poseidon and USCG Dolphin helicopter were also easy to find on an aviation site in position ready to pounce. I found the media reportIng on this affair to have been on the low standard I have learned to expect. “A headline in search of a story” I was surprised that no politician or reporter, in order to spread further fear and panic, reported that the only deaths caused in the lower 48 states by air bombardment in WW2 were caused to a church group on a picnic by bombs dropped from a Japanese balloon. One reporter for a large US network did state in passing that a Japanese balloon had been shot down during the Pearl Harbour attack…I just about fell off the couch at that one. “If you can’t daze them with facts baffle them with bull****!” Cheers Albatross Funny note on Pendant numbers: If the flagship raises a flag signal of just your pendant number “at the dip” ( about 3/4 of the way up the signal halyard ) it means “You have done something wrong and have failed to correct it.” COs must luv to see that! Almost as good as the signal “Maneuver fairly well done.” |
I recall standing on the Bridge when a vessel of the Gray Funnel Line dropped Anchor off Hong Kong.....along with every inch of the chain attached thereto......after all of the racket...smoke and dust settled and a very prolonged silence by all present.....the XO was heard to say...."Gee....That went well!".
Fortunately a Fleet Tug was in port and was able to retrieve it all within a few days. |
Inspected by U2
It's reported that a U2 did a flyby and likely took pictures from the cockpit as the reconnaissance optics point at the ground.
Maybe they will fit a gun pod on the U2 so they can bring the next balloon(s) down slowly. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11382930)
I recall standing on the Bridge when a vessel of the Gray Funnel Line dropped Anchor off Hong Kong.....along with every inch of the chain attached thereto......after all of the racket...smoke and dust settled and a very prolonged silence by all present.....the XO was heard to say...."Gee....That went well!".
Fortunately a Fleet Tug was in port and was able to retrieve it all within a few days. Capt from the bridge: “ Mate! Lower the anchor.” Newfoundland voice: “Aye, Aye Sor.” Clank, clank, splash, clank clank clank..clank…….clank…silence. Capt from the bridge: “Mate! Is the anchor down?” Newfoundland voice: “Well Sor I doesn’t see it floating around anywheres!” We had best drop the hook and stop this thread drift. Cheers. |
Nice read:
Gen. Glen VanHerck, Commander, North American Aerospace Defense Command and United States Northern Command, Holds an Off-Camera, On-The-Record Briefing on the High-Altitude Surveillance Balloon Recovery EffortsGen. Glen VanHerck, Commander, North American Aerospace Defense Command and United States Northern Command, Holds an Off-Camera, On-The-Record Briefing on the High-Altitude Surveillance Balloon Recovery Efforts > U.S. Department of Defense > Transcript |
"an Off-Camera, On-The-Record Briefing"I presume he was inappropriately dressed? |
Meanwhile people are starting to ask questions here about past balloons hovering over Japan, and why they were not taken seriously.
Also, would the government feel legally able to make a decision to pop one, and would the armed forces even be able to perform such a feat with present equipment. It has been noted that PLAAF pilots have practiced just such a scenario, i.e. shooting down high-altitude enemy ‘weather’ balloons. |
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/chi...7J33UC,6VL8F,1
As expected really, but why let facts get in the way of a good story! |
Not only are they sending spy balloons over America, they are attacking Hawaii with space lasers! :eek:
(Please enjoy the read at the link)
Spoiler
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