But that's not how far it is to the balloon which might be 50 miles away. Besides - kids gotta learn the Earth curves. In Montana they haven't see a ship disappear over the horizon.

Examine its on-board communications .

I wonder if it can be recovered with the instrument package relatively undamaged? If it starts to descend, Messrs Boyle, Archimedes and Newton would normally ensure a fairly hard bump on arrival.

Not that I think shooting it down is worth the candle.
Would a missile really be necessary? Wouldn’t a couple of short bursts of cannon-fire over a suitable area deflate the balloon(s) sufficiently to make it descend to earth? Seems a safer option.
Do they have an aircraft with a cannon capable of such a feat. Perhaps an F-18 or F-16 would suffice.

I'm guessing that was for known satellite orbits, rather than for a balloon that no one saw coming.

It been coming for several days...

Boyle already ensured it would rise to that altitude and stay there. A slow leak would work, even by diffusion though the balloon envelope and Boyle might see to it that there was a slow return.

It could be from 12 to 24 miles up; If it's at the higher end of that range one will need a really good gun for a fighter to shoot it down. Then there's the rounds falling at random back onto Montana. The density may seem low, but it's sure one will hit the most valuable cow in a herd. Missiles are also a problem as the target one really wants is the balloon, which has not much radar or thermal signature. I checked and the air density at 120k ft is 0.002 that of sea level. Maybe that helps with the rounds from the fighter having less drag?

Albeit flying some 60,000 feet above any weather. As it will be static w.r.t. the air mass that it is moving in, what's the point ?

I beg to differ. As it loses buoyancy Archimedes loses the battle with Newton. As it descends increasing pressure, courtesy of Boyle, will compress the fixed mass of gas further decreasing the buoyancy and accelerating the descent and resulting in a fearsome bump. The only question is would the rising temperature at lower altitude bring Mr Charles to the rescue?

Check rolling eye emoji....

The pressure is increasing, but so is the density. Perhaps you are basing this on items submerged in water where the pressure of the water goes up but the water density doesn't. If this balloon was in the water that would be the case, but it started out at the ground level, with all the atmospheric pressure and went up from their.

Shoot
the
china
ballon
down
now

immediately expel ALL china diplomats from us

Whaaaat?!

That's an amusing proposal, Free Range.


Maybe these balloons will become a common sight -- probably Europe/UK next on the target list -- if that's possible.

Forget gunboat diplomacy -- balloons are cheaper.

Unless anyone knows better: there is nothing of consequence a balloon can see that a satellite cannot see, and the US forces can likely listen in to any radio transmissions from the balloon, gaining intelligence on Chinese encryption. Yes, it's cheeky of the Chinese, but if the balloon were a serious threat it would be shot down. I suspect US can gain more than it loses by observing it and listening to its transmissions. Anyone in a position to know for sure is unlikely to post answers here.

I don't think it anything to do with intelligence gathering just a way of putting a weed up the administration.

Its a cheap way way to get the worlds attention and difficult to counter without either looking weak or stupid (if the US failed in an attempt to shoot it down).

The only advantages that I can think of is that it remains above the same area for long periods of time compared to a LEO reconnaissance satellite. Potentially, if you were interested in observing patterns of movement over relatively short periods of time (but at very high resolution) then it may have advantages. Slightly more far-fetched is the ability (compared to satellites) to conduct atmospheric sampling and to record sound. Both of these capabilities have been used in US balloon programmes in the past.

Either way, the USA has previously run a number of balloon based intelligence programmes (e.g. Genetrix) , some of which overflew China. Of course they are within their rights to shoot the thing down, but the outrage seems a little hard to justify given the history.

Origin?
 

Did it have "made in China" written on the side? Couldn't be from Russia or North Korea? Could it be that the respective government actually did not know?

Or something like the Bay of Pigs fiasco?

In the UK, I haven't seen or heard anything regarding how the "ownership" was determined?

Just asking. May have missed a news report ot two.

China have claimed that it is theirs and that it is civilian weather balloon.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...685112a0bbb60a

China has said it's theirs, only they're saying it's a civil weather balloon.

Still?
 

Why cancel the "Blinking" visit?

of course US has the technology to bring it down, but using expensive rockets(SM-3 costs north of $10M) that go to the edge of space would be an overkill for a balloon

In my opinion, the capabilities of this balloon are probably minimal and not the point. This is a strong statement from China - they can put their hardware directly over the US unopposed, and visible for all to see.

Powerful.

High altitude balloons are launched with a bubble of gas that is pretty small in volume compared to the volume at height, as the gas expands with reduced pressure at altitude. What counts is the displaced mass of the air the lifting gas replaces. Air masses (at sea level) 1.225 kg/m^3, helium 0.178 kg/m^3, so provides about 1 kg/m^3 of lift.

In that case, I hate to think what Florida looks like….. ;)

I’ll be the cynic…. Put internal cargo that would produce an EMP blast

Hopefully the US will bring it down in the gulf or Atlantic coast

Must be some clever coves in the PRC that can launch a balloon and get it to arrive in the right place in the US.

John Dutton will sort it out 🤠

The Chinese will auto destruct the balloon over the sea -- the balloon might even have the capability to auto destruct if attacked.

I wonder when the next balloon is due?

If it's like London busses, there won't be any for a while, then four will come along at the same time

When is the next election?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....425db864d.jpeg

NORAD and the Canadian DoD has confirmed that a 2nd Balloon is currently being tracked somewhere over Canada.

Why not shoot it down? Collateral damage would be almost zero chance. You don’t destroy it. A couple of rounds from an aircraft. Wait to see if it starts descending. No well then a couple more rounds. Eventually it is going to start a slow descent to the ground.

This does sound all very strange.

The Chinese have claimed ownership. Said it was a wether balloon gone astray. I had heard altitude was 60000.

Siunds like good shooting, from hit rates quoted ........ missing barn doors etc.
How do we know gas is helium? H2 a darn sight cheaper and easier.

EMP Weapon Positioning
 

PRC possibly just practicing how to position a balloon over the central US using the global jetstream, should they ever elect to employ the EMP bomb to shut down much of the US

sorry but those that want to know already know. So you not think every time there is a missile test there aren’t numerous Chinese and Russian agents watching and recording? Of course there are. Are there Americans doing the same for Russian and Chinese tests. Yes of course. On the US at least there are areas where the public can park up and watch these tests. Video them all they like. Their range and altitude won’t be a secret. Maybe their precision and the tech behind that will be but the rest is easy to find out.

Whats the point of an EMP blast? Might as well just launch a nuke. Which would give you the EMP. You would have the same reaction. If the Chinese were to detonate a large EMP over the US I’m pretty sure the silos would be emptied. There would be no other reason to detonate an EMP except to cover a first strike.